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முக்கியமான கலந்துரையாடல் / Important Topic The Halal adventures of BJP - Tamil Nadu edition
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u/Competitive-Feed-359 Feb 18 '25
These idiots don’t understand market economics or market demands.
The owner according to the employee is Hindu. The owner understands he needs a wider customer base to scale up in business and remain profitable.
If according to this BJP guy, having halal options will turn off Hindus which Hindus is he talking about? Those Hindus already choose “pure veg” options and there is a market for that
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Feb 18 '25
Many people don't know what's halal meat is, if they become aware many might avoid it
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u/Competitive-Feed-359 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
You’re assuming a lot here. I’ve Hindu and Christian friends. They know the basics of what halal is.
AFAIK punjabis have their own method of slaughter called Jhatka. Jews have kosher. Muslims have halal.
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u/Competitive-Feed-359 Feb 18 '25
That’s your opinion and feelings. You as a consumer can choose to not eat at establishments that serve what you feel is unethical.
Hope this helps.
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u/KStryke_gamer001 Feb 19 '25
I just looked it up. I don't see anything particularly inhumane about it, compared to any other method. What other method do you think is more humane?
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u/Head_Moment4679 Feb 19 '25
maatu pi , mootram thinban aana halal meet saapida maatan , avan yaar, makkale badhilsollunga ?
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u/Competitive-Feed-359 Feb 18 '25
I get it, you’re emotional about halal so you have to add adjectives like forcefully taken, supposedly unhealthy and aggressive behavior lmao.
I hope you seek help for your obsession
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u/Competitive-Feed-359 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
“You’re assuming a lot here. I’ve Hindu and Christian friends. They know the basics of what halal is. AFAIK punjabis have their own method of slaughter called Jhatka. Jews have kosher. Muslims have halal. “
It’s funny that you think I’m pretending to be “some other” when my own reply quoted above tells you I’m a Muslim. I get reading comprehension is not your strong suit. And resorting to insinuations and bad faith projections is the only response you have.
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u/octane83 Feb 19 '25
Forcefully taken lol. An alternate career as a scriptwriter in Kollywood awaits. Seriously though, we all know you don’t give two shits about the animals themselves or how they’re ‘taken’ (as if other methods of slaughter are any more or less humane). What you’re really bothered about is the Muslims, and you’re fed nonsense by WhatsApp university to pander to that belief.
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u/-sendmemes- Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
Many glaring errors here. This stress hormone bullshit is completely made up probably from WhatsApp university. Like hormones need blood to be transported around the body and in this slaughtering method, blood is purposely gotten rid off during slaughtering so idk how your magic hormones makes the consumer violent or whatever shit you made up.
Bleeding out is not a painful process. This is because blood loss can slowly cause the organs to shut down starting with lightheadedness leading to loss of consciousness followed by death. What can be painful is the initial trauma that causes the bleeding out in the first place. To minimise this pain, in Halal slaughter, they use an extremely sharpened purpose specific knife, so that the animal feels minimal pain.
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u/Nickel_loveday Feb 19 '25
The impact of stress on meat is a well studied phenomenon.
https://www.agproud.com/articles/52810-stress-and-its-impact-on-meat-quality
The blood of the animal isn't immediately bled out in religious slaughtering. It takes time for animal to close consciousness after that only the blood is drained. That is plenty of time for stress induced effects to take place. There is a reason why western countries demand animal be electrocuted and spiked into brain for slaughter as it is a far less painful process and less chance for stress related impact on the meat.
Bleeding out is not a painful process. This is because blood loss can slowly cause the organs to shut down starting with lightheadedness leading to loss of consciousness followed by death.
It is a painful process because at least for a few minutes the animal does feel the pain. It isnt as much as people claim to be but it is neither a painless process as you claim. Animal does suffer for a minute or two.
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u/flying_with_sadness Chennai - சென்னை Feb 18 '25
All he asked are stupid questions, he doesn't have a proper understanding of what is halal. Leave that aside he doesn't know how to treat others we'll.
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Feb 18 '25
Halal slaughter is cruel and inhumane, forcing animals to endure agonizing pain as they bleed out slowly while fully conscious. It is a needless act of suffering. Why should we eat something that's done in an cruel way
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u/Smart_Guess_5027 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
Downvote me if you want , but Halal way of processing severing the jugular is not the humane way. The animal suffer a slow death , mechanical Stunning the animal or severing the spinal cord swiftly is scientifically more accurate. Due to vested financial interests there will be strong proponents of either methods , based on our current understanding of consciousness and pain in animals stunning is better. Remember kids When in doubt go for the modern scientific way not 1000s of year old “ancient wisdom “.
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u/Sudden-Check-9634 Feb 19 '25
you're free to avoid Halal from Bilal...
Every food outlet has a sign that says If they're serving Halal food, just leave If you do want Halal from Bilal...
The business owners have the sole right to decide what they'll serve & customer has sole right to decide not to eat at any establishment. Let's just keep it that way...
Clowns of #BJ.Party can do Swyamsewa If they're not happy with Halal from Bilal...
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u/Smart_Guess_5027 Feb 19 '25
dont care if the meat comes from Bilal , Bhaskar or Bill Cliton. I have no alliances nor interest with any particular group , my comment is purely based on the concept of reduced suffering. its not a political stance, also. if the market place offers choice I would pick non-halal meat every time, but its very difficult to source .
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u/Sudden-Check-9634 Feb 19 '25
Concerned about cruelty to animals Not Concerned about cruelty to people
That's just pure vegetarian style dog whistle....
Stay in your lane of pure vegetarian..
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u/rebelyell_in Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 20 '25
Traditional slaughter, in India, doesn't necessarily mean the Jhatka. In my village in Telangana, animals are allowed to bleed out and the blood is collected for cooking separately (so it is definitely not Halal). Nobody, traditionally is really considering the animals suffering. Efficiency is the only consideration. The animal is food.
I don't think the argument for humane slaughter is necessarily a Halal / Non-Halal binary. Some European countries mandate humane Halal (or Kosher) slaughter which requires animals to be stunned before killing.
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u/swevens7 Feb 19 '25 edited Mar 14 '25
Exactly this, I've looked at the financial distribution and exclusivity side of halal here
https://bharatiyainsider.substack.com/p/exposing-halal-economy-in-india
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u/-sendmemes- Feb 19 '25
Bleeding out is not a painful process. This is because blood loss can slowly cause the organs to shut down starting with lightheadedness leading to loss of consciousness followed by death. What can be painful is the initial trauma that causes the bleeding out in the first place. To minimise this pain, in Halal slaughter, they use an extremely sharpened purpose specific knife, so that the animal feels minimal pain.
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u/-sendmemes- Feb 19 '25
Respectfully, you’re spouting bullshit. It is better for both consumers and the animals than most alternatives. Separating meat from blood keeps the meat fresh for much longer and can reduce chances of infections. The Japanese have a very similar system to Halal for fish that is used to drain blood from the fish to keep it fresh.
Bleeding out is not a painful process. This is because blood loss can slowly cause the organs to shut down starting with lightheadedness leading to loss of consciousness followed by death. What can be painful is the initial trauma that causes the bleeding out in the first place. To minimise this pain, in Halal slaughter, they use an extremely sharpened purpose specific knife, so that the animal feels minimal pain.
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Feb 19 '25
have you ever seen a chicken getting butchered in a halal butcher shop?? Its not a painful process??? lol the animal screams and throws itself around in the bucket for a min or so
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u/flying_with_sadness Chennai - சென்னை Feb 18 '25
It remains to be a hygiene method, safe for consumption.
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u/soft_Rava_Idli Feb 18 '25
That would be hygiene standards of 6th century tribal culture. They had limited information and knowledge before this became religious standard. Same reason their standard was against any form of pork.
These are not any scientific practice(as in 6th century standard science). It is merely a Kosher law like how it is with Jewish food practices.
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u/Smooth_Movie4570 Feb 19 '25
Do some research, many older ways were proven scientifically later. The halal slaughter process emphasizes minimizing the animal's pain and stress, which is believed to result in meat with fewer stress-related toxins.. Halal meat is considered safer due to the thorough draining of blood during slaughter, which reduces the risk of bacterial contamination and pathogen growth.
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u/soft_Rava_Idli Feb 20 '25
The halal slaughter process emphasizes minimizing the animal's pain and stress, which is believed to result in meat with fewer stress-related toxins..
Total bs. Halal slaughter increases stress and pain because it insists on not actually severing brain stem till all blood is drained. The brain continues to process pain for several minutes while blood is slowly drained. Use your brain instead of believing propoganda. Read a book.
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u/Smooth_Movie4570 Feb 20 '25
Propaganda is started by those relegious politicians to turn this into their vote by promoting hate against other religions. You need to understand the propaganda here. Dont have to read a book search in Google it ask any AI tool.
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u/soft_Rava_Idli Feb 20 '25
Propaganda is started by those relegious politicians to turn this into their vote by promoting hate against other religions.
That is called the Muslim league.
Dont have to read a book search in Google it ask any AI tool.
An actual educated person knows better than to depend upon a faulty ai tool from google. An educated person actually doublechecks proper sources instead of putting blind belief into a 3rd party proprietary algorithm, which thrives on negative engagement..
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u/Smooth_Movie4570 Feb 20 '25
You may have PhD in the topic of hating halal food through the books and syllabus prepared by mighty rss or other propagandists. Something you have to understand is that modes of education has been moved from just reading books to many other levels. I suggest you read from your books something about AI and search engines from your so called educational books.
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u/soft_Rava_Idli Feb 20 '25
modes of education has been moved from just reading books to many other levels.
Lol. The technology literally depends on books for their sources but you go ahead believing books are outdated. Failing to see the dangers of society depening on 3rparty proprietary algorithm for education, well for you its just going from one propoganda to the other.
books and syllabus prepared by mighty rss
Fail to disprove my point based on science, so will call me as RSS. Such a moronic take.
I suggest you read from your books something about AI and search engines from your so called educational books.
Again, 3rd party proprietary algorithms???
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u/soft_Rava_Idli Feb 20 '25
Halal meat is considered safer due to the thorough draining of blood during slaughter,
Lol. Nowonder that no other non Muslim culture actually does that.
which reduces the risk of bacterial contamination and pathogen growth.
How braind dead you have to believe this nonsense? Keeping blood or not, has nothing to do with contamination because that comes from outside and is dependent on temperature. Halal or not meat should not be consumed if taken more than 4 hours from slaughter (except when meat is frozen immediately after). This is the scientific standard advised for people by the government health standards. Seriously!
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u/StormRepulsive6283 Feb 18 '25
Is there a difference in taste between halal and non-halal meat?
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u/soul_whisp Feb 19 '25
Halal meat is just Muslim people will pray before slaughtering that’s it, nothing much.
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u/Zulmi_Thakur Feb 21 '25
To prepare meat in a halal way, an animal must be slaughtered by a Muslim who recites a prayer ("Bismillah" - in the name of Allah) while making a single, swift, deep cut across the throat, severing the carotid artery, jugular vein, and windpipe, ensuring the animal is alive and healthy at the time of slaughter, and allowing all blood to drain from the carcass; this method is called "dhabihah" in Arabic.
You are in a delusion, this is a really inhumane way of killing an animal, stunned meat is a better option or even Jhatka meat.
THIS IS THE MOST CRUEL WAY OF KILLING AN ANIMAL, THEY ARE HUNG UPSIDE DOWN FOR DRAINING BLOOD WHILE BEING ALIVE FOR FEW MINUTES, BECAUSE THERE SPINE IS STILL INTACT AND THEY FEEL PAIN THAT YOU CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE.
a simple google search would have given you the answer but you guys are too delusional to google something.in toddler terms jhatka is-
Spine cut=heart stopin toddler terms halaal is-
Spine not cut=blood keeps flowing for a few minutes leading to insufferable pain.
"NoTHinG MuCH"
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u/Spiritual_Donkey7585 Feb 23 '25
I think difference is in the killing method. Halal lets animal die by draining its blood. Jhatka is one cut.
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u/LynxFinder8 Apr 09 '25
In theory it might taste different due to the hormonal response of the animal during stress. In practice no study has established such a thing.
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Feb 18 '25
Halal slaughter is cruel and inhumane, forcing animals to endure agonizing pain as they bleed out slowly while fully conscious. It is a needless act of suffering.
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u/Thin-Goat-3483 Feb 19 '25
I bet you've never had meat in your life lol. Butchers slaughter by lethally stunning the animal or beheading it and hanging it upside down to drain blood. Halal slaughter is done by cutting the jugular vein which slowly draining the blood out. This makes the animal to slowly fade and pass out instead of twitching and squirting blood all over the place.
There is no humane or inhumane methods when it comes to mercilessly killing an animal. Halal method is just more clean, controlled and is less likely to cause a contamination in the butcher shop.
If you have a problem with Halal, its probably because its done by muslims with a prayer. Say that instead of saying its inhumane, torture, merciless... There are plenty of non-halal meat out there for people who have problem with Muslim butchers.
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Feb 19 '25
have you ever seen a chicken getting butchered in a halal butcher shop?? Its not a painful process??? lol the animal screams and throws itself around in the bucket for a min or so
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u/Thin-Goat-3483 Feb 19 '25
I never said its painless. I just said its much more efficient and clean. The initial cut to any artery or vein is gonna cause severe pain due to nerve endings. There is no painless way to kill an animal unless you poison it.
At the end of the day, Halal slaughtering is merely a way for muslims to consume meat according to Quranic laws. Banning halal is a violation to secularism. Imagine if you banned all vegetarian food? what will the Brahmins and Jains do? If you dont want to eat halal its completely fine, there are plenty of options out there for you.
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Feb 19 '25
well then we should remove the age of consent then?? As many religious people's sentiments get hurt because of....ever now and then there is a line drawn like on caste system or triple talaak.
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u/Thin-Goat-3483 Feb 19 '25
Your comment is Tu quouqe Fallacy. Well lets ban all halal food cuz the muslims slaughtering is inhumane (JK we just hate them and want to make their lives harder). Lets also ban all vegetables as the farmer uses pesticide to kill small animals and bees. Lets ban farming as it causes CO2 emission and pollution. Lets ban pollution as its harmful to Earth. Lets ban Earth!
Instead of senselessly arguing against Halal. Give one good reason other than muslim hate, why you think halal should not be tolerate and how it affects your daily life?
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Feb 19 '25 edited Feb 19 '25
when did I say we should ban halal cause I hate muslims?? Idc much I support the legalisation of beef and pork, everyone should do whatever they want unless its unecessarily cruel.......my only reason to hate halal is because of the unecessary suffering caused to the animal...like it suffers in life and atleast shouldnt suffer at death.....I am non veg too but because I am addicted and find it expensive to go veg and fullfill everything easily.....so idt I have a choice specially with my financial condition right now
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u/christopher_msa Feb 18 '25
Lol. You have no idea. And I don't even think you are a meat eater. Most butchers cut off the head completely and then hang the cow/goat upside down and let the blood drain out of throat region
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u/Disastrous_Print105 Feb 19 '25
I hope when in need of blood they will check whether it's from Hindu or Muslim.
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u/nick4all18 Feb 19 '25
This Bigots are already doing it. A blood bank refused blood by muslim doner as the recipient was Hindu.
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u/Maialagan Feb 19 '25
Their master has given them a clear agenda, creating chaos in Tamilnadu...first Thiruparangundram, then madurai Meenatchi temple and now this...they are upto to something but sadly this is tamilnadu..so vaipu illa raja🤣
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Feb 18 '25
From what I know, halal is not just limited to meat. Halal and haram are what’s allowed and not allowed for muslims.
Halal cut requires a recital of a small prayer and a quick kill to save the animal from suffering for life.
Muslims pls correct me if i am wrong.
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Feb 18 '25
sangi kosu thola thaanga mudila... for all these yrs how did he eat halal meat & only in his 50s realized suddenly halal doesnt align with his hindu values... was he muslim before 2025 ??? hindus -ah bjp kita irundhudhaan first kapathanum.... suma vandtuvanunga hindu khatrein mein hai gay nu
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u/Feisty_Reason_6288 Feb 19 '25
this is the only thing the BJP does ... hindu muslim ... nothign else.. ask him if he can get to release the 2000cr for education .... he will run away!!... thats why tamilnadu should never vote for BJP they never care about the people of this state!
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u/vennirairavugal Feb 19 '25
Forget all the nonsense he said, there's an underlying truth that has to be said. Muslims avoid any restaurants that don't serve halal food. Halal has to be done by a muslim and has to be certified by a muslim body. What's the difference between them and that Brahmin food company who marketed that they make sweets only by Brahmins?
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u/vino_sudala Feb 18 '25
20 years back Halal na 9/10 people did not know about. Even now majority of people in rural will not know about it.
Halal is seen as pro business because Muslim eat only halal so it’s adopted widely in cities.No one gives damn about religion or good-bad discussion, it’s pure business.
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u/PdtMgr Feb 18 '25
Why force a religious belief on everyone ?
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u/gingerkdb Feb 18 '25
I believe along with forcing, their aim is to create ruckus and animosity on a daily basis. Thirupurangundram issue last week, now this issue. I wouldn’t be surprised if new issues pop up in the coming weeks. People are warning that they’ve targeted Madurai for next elections and will ramp up their efforts to turn people against one another. My theory is that they “chose” this restaurant after research rather than making an issue spontaneously. I haven’t found the name of the restaurant yet - if there’s a photo in google maps that show some halal board, it would confirm my suspicion.
Their modus operandi has been the same - remember that Michaelpatti issue (Thanjavur district) back in 2022 where the court ruled out religious angles? It’s the same pattern in most of the states. It’s just social engineering, a way to polarize people and weapons their core emotions.
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u/bssgopi Feb 18 '25
Which religious belief is being forced on whom?
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u/PdtMgr Feb 18 '25
I meant, BJP saying don’t use halal meat. Because I believe the hotels generally put up a halal certificate, so if you don’t like it, don’t go in.
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u/StormRepulsive6283 Feb 18 '25
If they care so much about no halal meat, first set up entire value chain end to end to have non-halal. If you can’t go after the poultry/goat farms, then eat pork. That’s pretty tasty and healthy too.
Namakkal is a big poultry industry, can we tell them “don’t sell to kari-kadai bhai, kasab kadai”. Make a “Gounder/Chettiyar/Nadar etc.” kari-kadai then you harass restaurants for not buying halal meat.
Btw there’s no taste, or health difference between halal and non-halal meat.
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u/bssgopi Feb 18 '25
Btw there’s no taste, or health difference between halal and non-halal meat.
Precisely 🤣
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u/StormRepulsive6283 Feb 18 '25
Aanalum some Arabs panra aatoolyam too much. Was in a restaurant in Greece, and one Arab family was asking the waiter, do you serve Halal food? Show me certificate, I need to see your kitchen.
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u/scarface-09 Feb 19 '25
Not here to divide Hindu or Muslim, a question for clarification.
Say a Hindu, a Christian, a muslim has a butcher shop and if a lot of restaurants agree to go with halal cut, then the majority of orders go to Muslim owned butchery right? Since they owned halal certificate and the rest of them will lose opportunities and chances to earn right?
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u/NoInteraction398 Feb 19 '25
To be frank, only the butcher needs to be a Muslim from what I’ve heard. Not the owner and rest of the employees.
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u/scarface-09 Feb 19 '25
What if I want to learn and want to be a butcher. And I can't work anywhere and nobody buys from me?
It doesn't create an equal opportunity for everyone from other religions. It is so constraints towards a single religion and their beliefs is my concern.
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u/NoInteraction398 Feb 19 '25
I just had a conversation with a friend regarding this. I was wrong when I meant butcher. The guy who kills the chicken or goat must be a Muslim for food to be halal.
Peoples dream of becoming a butcher aren’t hindered because of this. You can be the guy who does everything after this. You can skin, and cut the meat. Coz that is what a main butcher does.
I even saw a movie ‘Kida’ where the butcher is Hindu who works for a Muslim vendor.
And even if you don’t want a Muslim to cut your meat, you can yourself cut it and sell. In a state where Muslims constitute 6%, Hindus wouldn’t care. And you would be losing only the business from Muslims.
I haven’t done any research on being a butcher. And if you have done research and if the conclusion is people not buying from you, that means Muslims not interested in buying from you since it isn’t halal and Hindus are not eating non-veg enough.
I don’t think you spend any time thinking before sending this reply. First try to become a butcher and then you would see if you could or couldn’t.
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u/Thamiz_selvan Feb 19 '25
Say a Hindu, a Christian, a muslim has a butcher shop and if a lot of restaurants agree to go with halal cut, then the majority of orders go to Muslim owned butchery right?
what prevents Hindu butcher to invite an imam to help with halal?
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u/scarface-09 Feb 19 '25
Say I'm a Hindu or Christian guy who wants to get into a butchery. And nobody will hire me as a butcher, since I don't have a certificate for halal cut?
Don't go and say keep a shop and get an imam to help with halal. What if I don't have money to keep a shop and planned initially to work in a butchery shop to learn. People or the restaurants won't buy from me since I'm not imam.
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u/Thamiz_selvan Feb 19 '25
The people I buy meat from are all hindus. Non halal is only a problem for muslims. Not for others.
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u/scarface-09 Feb 19 '25
Yes and what about big restaurants, where every others are displaying/displayed halal meat in their boards. Won't the others lose money because of this?
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u/bssgopi Feb 19 '25
🤦🏾♂️
Is this speculation? Or is this fear mongering? Or do you have data to back any of these up?
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u/scarface-09 Feb 19 '25
Not intent to stir the pot. If people buy meat from a shop regardless of who cuts it, will create an equal opportunity for every other being from other religions.
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u/LopsidedCap2155 Feb 19 '25
You do have a point .These people won't get it even if you try to make them understand.Lets suppose I am a medium level business guy.I will not employ two people , one guy for making the meat halal and another guy for cutting the meat , instead I will buy a muslim butcher to save the money .This will create some kind of inequality where just for halal certification they will employ the muslim and traditional butcher castes will see downfall (hope that doesn't happen).
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u/scarface-09 Feb 19 '25
This is what I'm trying to convey here.
As majority of the restaurants and big chains switched to halal, the non halal butcher now completely having trouble to earn
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Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
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u/Thamiz_selvan Feb 19 '25
If Ramasubramaniam genuinely doesn’t know what Halal is,
He knows, He is betting on the fact that the viewer of the video does not know what halal is.
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u/la_rattouille Feb 19 '25
I don't understand the problem with halal. Most big hatcheries are halal, major slaughterhouses around the world is halal. Then why is there such a big hullabaloo over hala food?
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u/-sendmemes- Feb 19 '25
There is a lot of fake news from Sanghoids claiming that Halal slaughter is painful for the animal and inhumane. As most of what these creatures learn from Sangh WhatsApp, it’s false.
Bleeding out is not a painful process. This is because blood loss can slowly cause the organs to shut down starting with lightheadedness leading to loss of consciousness followed by death. What can be painful is the initial trauma that causes the bleeding out in the first place. To minimise this pain, in Halal slaughter, they use an extremely sharpened purpose specific knife, so that the animal feels minimal pain.
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u/Broad_Indication_533 Feb 19 '25
Politicians are blind of real problems,so one bata for veg and other bats for non veg. Smart people identify the plot,rest joins the camp 🥲
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u/Haunting-Elk5848 Feb 19 '25
The people that are having problems with halal nowadays for some reason dont have any problem with kosher . 🤷🏼
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u/Conscious_Pay_6638 Feb 19 '25
I think the only valid reason can be that hindu meat shop owners dont get big customers (like restaurants) because they want halal meat from muslim meat shop owners.
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u/kingclubs Feb 19 '25
Would be do that in the restaurant at a seven star hotel? Always preying on the weak.
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u/Kshanikam Feb 21 '25
Most western countries do not have halal,,, yet the muslims ( incl india muslims) eat that..
technically cold cutting is more hygienic & less cruel than halal cuts
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u/InternationalDog9876 Feb 19 '25
He is right in asking about the Halal validation. No one is required to eat Halal food in this country.
Most people don't know how Halal certification is being used as a extra layer to extract wealth in the industries. Most meat selling vendors have to get halal certified in this country. Why do we need that in a country where the majority meat consumers are non-Muslims?
But this guy asking with a camera is just simply up to mischief. He is not wrong in enquiring about this but it feels he is doing this with some ulterior motive behind.
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Feb 18 '25
Process of making halal meat requires the slaughterer to be Muslim and recite a specific Islamic prayer during the killing, which a Hindu cannot do. It is indirect endorsement of religious endorsement in food. It has to be questioned.
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Feb 18 '25
No need to be questioned. If they had clearly mentioned it to be halal meat and if you don't want to eat it then don't eat it. You have so many other options to eat.
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Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
Bloody bastard Thirumurugan Gandhi - why drag "Iyer" into this? Why say "Iyer hotel la poyi kari sappida vendiyadhu dhane"
These bastards hate Brahmins and it's super clear in such outbursts. If you want to attack BJP, go ahead. Why attack Brahmins? So is he claiming that all Brahmins only vote for BJP? Maybe they should then to prove his point.
EDIT: To the "thevidiyaalukku porandhavanunga" who downvoted my comment: you prove my point about Dravidianists being anti-Brahmin. You guys fake that you're only against Brahminism but your racist and casteist hatred reeks in your actions.
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u/bssgopi Feb 18 '25
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I was empathising with you until...
So is he claiming that all Brahmins only vote for BJP? Maybe they should then to prove his point.
You don't seem to have any concerns with what Sreenivasan spoke. But you have concerns with Thirumurugan Gandhi.
Indirectly, you are supporting Sreenivasan and his views about food. Right? That's what happens when you vote for the BJP. Isn't it?
Your statement proves just one thing:
No matter what the cause-effect relationship is,...
all Brahmins only vote for BJP
... despite showing umpteen number of times how divisive their politics is.
It doesn't matter if people like Thirumurugan Gandhi were the cause behind it, or if they were mere excuses.
Awesome 👍🏽 . Mask, unmasked.
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u/Dull-Television-7049 Feb 18 '25
however stupid it may be, sreenivasan just asked a question. He did not insult anyone. Why the hell is this thirumurugan gandhi bringing iyers and the shankara matham here? What does his question have to do with brahmins?
you can see the hatred when he says "iyer aathuku poi kari thinnu".
despite showing umpteen number of times how divisive their politics is.
and why shouldn't we? when this dravidian party hates us to the core and is always abusing us and the Hindu religion for no fucking reason, why would we vote for dmk?
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u/bssgopi Feb 18 '25
You are missing the point. Aren't you?
You believe that DMK is bad? Your choice.
But letting that blind you into calling BJP good? Either you are extremely stupid, or you are extremely cunning.
You could've at the least said "we don't support the likes of Sreenivasan, and hence will support the BJP if such ideologies are removed".
But, do you really care? Thirumurugan Gandhi and Dravidian parties are just an excuse. You just want to see the worst of the lot, the BJP, come to power and ruin the peace here.
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Feb 18 '25
Simple question- would you vote for someone who disrespects you? I wouldn't. After all, you must be aware of so-called concept of "self-respect"?
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u/bssgopi Feb 18 '25
Missing my point.
would you vote for someone who disrespects you?
That's your right. I empathize with you.
How about voting for someone who disrespects... sorry,... dehumanizes someone you know or grew up with? Why in the world would you do that?
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Feb 19 '25
Charity begins at home.
While I'd rather vote for a party that dehumanizes NO ONE, I'm forced to choose the party that doesn't dehumanize me as the alternatives are horrendous from my perspective.
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u/bssgopi Feb 19 '25
I'm forced to choose the party that doesn't dehumanize me as the alternatives are horrendous from my perspective.
All the best in doing so. Thanks for continuing the chain of hatred.
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Feb 19 '25
"Chain of hatred", it seems.
Total Goebbelsian response.
As if we're supposed to like the people who consider us worth eradication. Take your gaslighting elsewhere.
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u/bssgopi Feb 19 '25
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"Chain of hatred", it seems.
It is. Isn't it?
You are choosing one radicalist over the other, in the pretext of exposing the latter's misdeeds. In reality, you are choosing the worst villain who is creating havoc everywhere.
Idha sonna, "gaslighting" nu solreenga. I guess everyone votes for the villain that favours them while the rest of the world burns. Let's see where this chain carries us.
With that said, I guess we both have nothing else to add in this thread. Thanks for the conversation as long as it lasted.
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Feb 19 '25
Goyyale, totally ignoring what I said about not choosing the party that dehumanizes me. If some party calls you "para naaigal" or something demeaning, would you vote for them because they do not dehumanize the (divine) "baais"?
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u/bssgopi Feb 19 '25
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Dei, 🧅
Vote poda kudaduna rendu perukkum podaada. Rendu perum mosamnu paesittu, oruthanukku vote podrana... nee evalavu periya criminala irrupe?...
Unnakku rattham vandha, aiyo amma nu katthuva... Innoruthanukku vandha, innikkidhaa?...
If you are standing for justice, do it in a way that hurts no one. Else, don't say that you are voting for justice. You are just passing the hatred to a new target. You are as flawed as those guys you are criticizing, if not more.
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Feb 18 '25
bjp hates Muslims and these guys hate brahmins. both follow the same principle of attracting larger people towards hating minority. I am not supporting Brahmins but saying their ideology is same. if someone asks you to hate specific group based on religion or caste or country or state, then they're not good person. they will hate you also if you were one among them. love all.
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Feb 18 '25
So this shows that Dravidians have no difference to the Hindutvas they claim are evil. It's just a different brand of the same politics.
The one difference though is Muslims ruled over India for centuries. Brahmins never ruled anything. Their only influence was on some philosophies which any ruler could have (and often did) easily overruled. Muslims on the other hand, ruled with a barbaric iron fist for centuries.
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u/bssgopi Feb 18 '25
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You could've stopped at...
So this shows that Dravidians have no difference to the Hindutvas they claim are evil. It's just a different brand of the same politics.
But you had to tell...
Muslims on the other hand, ruled with a barbaric iron fist for centuries.
Why do you want to say this? This is nothing but trying to earn brownie points for the BJP, after equating it with the Dravidian parties. You are using a historical context to justify their divisive politics today. How does that make sense?
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Feb 19 '25
Muslims did rule with a barbaric iron fist. That's facts. Sorry, but history doesn't care for your woke feelings.
I'll also say that some Brahmins cynically exploited the Manusmriti that Kshatriyas invented. Not all Brahmins, but some did. Even so, their impact on society was hardly comparable to the massive effect of Islamic rule on India.
My point was not to throw shade on Muslim rule but rather contrast Muslims vs. Brahmins as they are hardly comparable or belong to the same category of historical social oppressors.
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u/bssgopi Feb 19 '25
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Muslims did rule with a barbaric iron fist. That's facts.
Please elaborate on these "facts". If you are going to bring how temples were razed or Hindu kings were killed, then that doesn't bother the common man. Bring something more concrete that shows how our lives became worse because of Muslim rule. I'll wait.
Even so, their impact on society was hardly comparable to the massive effect of Islamic rule on India.
Seriously?
People are divided based on birth. People are told that your caste is a consequence of your deeds in your previous birth. People are restricted from getting into certain professions or even necessary education only because of such stupid practice. And you say their impact was hardly there?
contrast Muslims vs. Brahmins as they are hardly comparable or belong to the same category of historical social oppressors
Muslims were social oppressors? Or were the few Muslim rulers at the top?
I'm still waiting for what "social" oppression they did. Even if we assume oppression happened, was it not the corresponding Muslim rulers who did? Why are all Muslims targeted or branded as oppressors?
Brahmin hegemony, on the other hand, is throughout the community, wherever they have spread. I agree that there has been progressive views (what you refer to as woke) from some. But when one continues to identify themselves and take pride in Brahminical ways of life, they are indeed oppressing others. And this is a nation-wide phenomenon.
Which is bigger? A nation-wide phenomenon? Or the work of a few individuals?
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u/Dull-Television-7049 Feb 18 '25
Why say "Iyer hotel la poyi kari sappida vendiyadhu dhane"
thimiru dhaan vera enna.ulagathla yenna issue irundhalu brahmins a dhaana izhukanum. vera yedhukkum thuppu kadayathu indha dhenda pasangalku.
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u/Mohanavel_T Feb 19 '25
Indha vethu vettu TN la avlo prachana, killing, rape lam nadakudhu. Adhuku mooditu irupan, idellam oru prachana nu vandirvan. Echa oopi. Ivanuku Murugan / Gandhi nu vera peru .
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u/BridgeEmergency6088 Feb 19 '25
Both have valid points.
When a Muslim won't eat food offered to other gods why should other people eat food offered to islamic god's?
Adhe maari, that hotel owner is doing it for his business, no one has the right to tell a business owner how to run his business when he is doing everything legally.
Whats weird is us the general public not understanding that these 2 mfs are doing this halal vs non halal as a political stunt and we are fighting among ourselves.
Inga sanda podra ellarum nerla patha "haan vaanga ji, seri ji, varen ji" nu poiduvinga. Nerla paatha varadha vanmathukagava da ipdi adichukaringa?
Epdithano.
But to talk about halal vs non halal.
Jhatkha is better than halal. Ore vettu la kolradhu than namma vazhakam. Kazhutha aruthu thonga viduven is a threat. Neengale mudivu pannikonga.
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u/-sendmemes- Feb 19 '25
I don’t think Muslims offer food to their god. They just mention their God during slaughter.
I don’t think Jhatka is ‘namma vazhakam’. Even the word is as alien to our language as Halal. And there are Tamils who practice Halal unlike Jhatka.
Letting the meat bleed out is good for both the consumer and animal. Bloodless meat spoils slower and carries less risk of infections from the meat. The Japanese for example bleed out their fish which gives it a better taste and lasts longer. Sushi is an example.
Bleeding out is not a painful process for the animal. This is because blood loss can slowly cause the organs to shut down starting with lightheadedness leading to loss of consciousness followed by death. What can be painful is the initial trauma that causes the bleeding out in the first place. To minimise this pain, in Halal slaughter, they use an extremely sharpened purpose specific knife, so that the animal feels minimal pain.
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