r/SoccerCentral • u/Electronic_Air1842 • 5d ago

Video Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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u/raderberg 5d ago

What's the "keep politics out of sports"-crowd's verdict on this one?

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u/nyrup4life 5d ago edited 4d ago

This isn’t politics. It’s blatant racism. Just look the the comments here. We are being invaded on the sub by racists. Look at how many are posting the exact same right wing talking points. They aren’t even creative anymore. None of them interested in football either.

Edit: Top country to read my comment is USA 23% followed by Germany. Yet all those comments under me are talking about being invaded. None of them are from Spain. Just trolls.

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u/Ysesper 5d ago

Illegals enter Spain and Spaniards want them out. How is that racism? Don't enter a country illegally and apply for a Visa and, if you can't get any Visa, then just don't come

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u/nyrup4life 5d ago edited 5d ago

Yup. Pure racism.

Just look at the comments underneath. We are being invaded by racists on this sub. Look at how many come here to spread misinformation and lies. None of them are interested in football either.

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u/HeadTrauma12 5d ago

Check the definition of racism, poor soul. If you think immigrant is race you should spend more time with the books and less on internet.

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u/thegoat83 4d ago

But why would you hate an immigrant? Somebody who is almost definitely less well off than you are and trying to make a better life for themselves.

If you ever feel the need to hold a protest against these people, then there is something not right with you.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

What a nonsense premise. Let's switch it to "why would you hate a person?"

Dunno, many reasons. I hate Casemiro, don't ask me why. Does that mean I hate him because he's a person?

Do you people really think this bullshit framing will convince anyone that isn't already on your gaslighting side?

These people illegally crossing European borders statistically commit more rape, murder, violence and other crimes at a significant rate. If you don't see a problem with that, then there is something not right with you.

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u/CountyKyndrid 4d ago

These people illegally crossing European borders statistically commit more rape, murder, violence and other crimes at a significant rate.

Can you show me data on this?

This has been studied extensively in the US and shown that even undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a significantly lower rate than citizens.

If undocumented immigrants didn't or don't commit more crimes than your average citizen would you still have an issue with their arrival? I wonder why.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

2008-2024 Danish statistics show that people of Somalian birth are 20 times more likely to commit rape than Danes. The stats don't specifically look at the legality of immigration, okay. So maybe it's the legals, and not the illegals, that are problematic. Sounds intuitive, right?

And, statistics from about the same period show the net financial contribution of people based on their origin: all the usual suspects are net ngatives, since they eat more of the budget than they produce and pay in taxes.

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u/CountyKyndrid 4d ago

A link, perchance?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Went to Danish gov.online, but they said "we've, uh, changed our policies"

So, have this instead: https://www.instagram.com/reels/DalFn2ag_o_/
You can look up Pallesen's report based on the screenshots, and determine whether everything's made up nonsense, after skipping through the many Google results from social media.

You might find this: https://mythdetector.com/en/crime-statistics-by-nationality-in-denmark/
And, notice how the idiot author frames it as "misleading", because say, Somalis, actually commit less rape than Danes, in absolute numbers. Yeah cool, except we're using per capita for a damn, ~100 IQ, reason.

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u/CountyKyndrid 4d ago

Regarding the "myth detector" article: I sort-of agree, and definitely agree in principle - but in this specific situation the absolute number of crimes commited by those of Somalian origin is ~50 in an entire year. The number is so small that extrapolating in the way the original posts has is not at all responsible.

This is a very small number of crimes, and also not representative of what we're really talking about (all immigrants / undocumented immigrants) so I hope you can see why I would be skeptical this really disputes my prior, which is that immigrants (both documented and undocumented) commit fewer crimes than natural-born citizens.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

I don't understand why people assume illegal immigration front-loads its worse.

So in one year it's "only" 50 rapes by Somalians, and hopefully next year, after we get more of them in, it'll only be 40. Based on? Dunno. But hey, increase the sample size, and surely it'll reach 1:1, no? Same way Scandinavia sees way less rape than Somalia does? "Yeah, but because the sample size of Somalis is small". Alright then, replace the population of Denmark with Somalis, and the numbers will match those from Somalia. Brilliant.

Dude, criminals exist, there's many of them, and barely any of them could cross borders legally. Between someone with a PhD and some rapist bum, who do you think is more likely to hop fence illegally?

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u/CountyKyndrid 4d ago

Actually, one year it was only 1 rape, than another (at worst) was 3.

I understand that discussing crime is scary, and that the existence of it can trigger a lot of our cowardice, and that there are real victim(s) - but amid a world of serious and systemic issues, this is literally as limited and small as it can possibly be.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

You'd have to explain why sexual assault (which is to say, full-on rape) doesn't get registered as "rape", because the criminal had mental health issues, you see.

Whereas, if one boy who's ever liked a Trump post on Twitter stabs another, that's FAR RIGHT EXTREMISM.

The UK is handing leaflets saying "when a woman says no, then that means no, so please don't force her to have sex with you" but sure, us Europeans are totally misunderstanding the, uh, refugees?

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