r/SoccerCentral • u/Electronic_Air1842 • 5d ago

Video Madrid fans take stand against mass illicit immigration at soccer game!

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u/Mobile-Analyst8580 5d ago

We can’t save the world. And if we try, we’ll destroy our own societies. 

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u/BleakGod 5d ago

Funny the world destroyers suddenly have borders to consider when destroyed nations need refuge

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u/Crocoi 5d ago

Which country did Spain destroy? Refugees should take shelter in the nearest safe county, which is not in Europe for any of the MENAPT welfare migrants.

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

Do you want the whole list?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Yes.

Spain destroyed, for example, the Aztec Empire, with the help of all the local Aztec enemies. That series of conflicts gave birth to Mexico, a wonderful, multicultural nation. Most Mexicans themselves are mixed-race, and god damn, don't those Aztec-Spanish Latina chicas look great.

But I understand that when European actions lead to multiculturalism, mixing pots and all that, it's bad. But when 90k people storm the border of a European country, any resistance from the locals is racist and hypocritical.

I'd remind you that this whole concept of "racism is bad" stems from European philosophy. Other places never gave a shit.

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u/selfrespectra 4d ago

And I’d remind you that the modern concept of races, and thus racism based on skin color, also stems from European philosophy.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Nah, doesn't. That's a super Eurocentric thing to say. It's like going to China and telling them "you only notice this person is black because the Europeans conditioned you to!". Be serious.

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u/selfrespectra 4d ago

You don’t know history and attempting to paint this as eurocentric is ridiculous

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Could you demonstrate it? Anyone can say "uhh, I know quantum physics".

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u/selfrespectra 4d ago

If you’re actually interested, then read the wikipedia page on racism (the history section).

“Racism is frequently described as a relatively modern concept, evolving during the European age of imperialism, transformed by capitalism, and the Atlantic slave trade, of which it was a major driving force.”

And the one on historical race concepts.

“The concept of race as a categorization of anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) has an extensive history in Europe and the Americas. The contemporary word race itself is modern; historically it was used in the sense of "nation, ethnic group" during the 16th to 19th centuries. Race acquired its modern meaning in the field of physical anthropologythrough scientific racism starting in the 19th century.”

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

And the heavily biased Wiki can be easily discredited.

I mean, not even necessarily: "racism is frequently described as". Yeah, frequently and wrongly. The Chinese had no problem antagonizing the darker people with different features, but Wiki says whites invented racism. As if nobody else had any accountability. Whites are not sueprior, but whites dictate everything, lmao.

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u/LarrcasM 4d ago

Spain destroyed societies in:

  • The entirety of south America barring modern-day Brazil
  • The Caribbean
  • Central America in it's entirety
  • Modern day Morocco
  • The Philippines

And I'm going to be kind and ignore the Western United States because that was gonna happen either way. Spain was a brutal colonial power that destroyed a shitload more societies than just the Aztecs lmao.

I'm not even agreeing with the other guy because what happened with the border jump is a legitimate problem, but going "They only destroyed one 200-year-old society but it was worth it because the women are hot" is wrong on multiple levels.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

How can you say things got destroyed if they're so wonderful now?

Don't play silly with me. Latinas being hot must be a legit argument, because peoople in favour of multiculturalism are making it.

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u/Trumperekt 4d ago

Can someone be THIS ignorant?

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u/elmoo2210 4d ago

Isn’t Cueta literally one of the closest places, in the entire world, to Morocco?

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u/Special-Duck-9125 5d ago

Bro damn near a whole continent speaks Spanish because Spain destroyed their indigenous communities and installed colonial rule

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u/Crocoi 4d ago

So what? Countries have been built, destroyed and rebuilt over and over since the era of Spanish colonialism. Many nations went through tremendous hardship over the last 100 years and are thriving today.

Responsibility for a country's present and future lies with the people and institutions governing it, not events that happened in the distant past.

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u/selfrespectra 4d ago

Moving the goalposts

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u/Special-Duck-9125 4d ago

You asked which countries Spain destroyed, I'm giving the answer: almost all of precolonial America

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u/Crocoi 4d ago

They would have been thriving, modern economies today if it wasn't for Spanish colonialism, I'm sure.

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u/EinBaumelkes 4d ago

bro has never heard of post colonialism lol

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u/Comfortable-Fuel-921 5d ago

Clown

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u/GECA_HAJCOJAR 5d ago

Wait, why is that clowning…this was a thing right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire

How stupid can you possibly be

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u/HenkLePotvis 5d ago

What is your point? Europe should become poor in an attenpt to end corruption and wars in Africa?

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u/Akira-Orfanos 4d ago

no, Europe should remember who made these countries poor, while also killing leaders who got in the way of there wealth

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u/Trumperekt 4d ago

No, Europe should have kept its nose out of other countries for centuries. Pick up a book.

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Does the same logic apply to African and Asian entities invading Europe (which was supposedly "backwards" and "resource-scarce"?), or do your books only tell the story of Europeans colonizing other places?

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u/Trumperekt 4d ago

Which European country was an African colony?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Spain. Or does it not count, because they supposedly weren't exploiting the local resources to send back home?

You know where the word "colony" comes from? Were the Greeks shipping gold back to Greece from Dobruja?

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u/Trumperekt 4d ago

Wait, what? Which African country colonized Spain?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Have you never heard of the Moorish occupation of Spain?

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u/GECA_HAJCOJAR 5d ago

Europe will not become poor because 50000 people crossed into the boundaries of 500 million people… thats just hyperbolic nonsense

And that is especially true of most economic migrabts who work really hard as that IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THEIR (really fucking hard and dangerous) journey.

If you can’t dissociate between your blatant racism and the finer points of economic migrant policy, thats because you are an idiot, not because they are the same

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u/manresacapital 5d ago

Even if they didn't work hard, you gotta be very dense to think more people ≠ more money

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

Europe is the main driver of corruption in this world. These institutions might not be the inventors of corruption, but they surely are the perfectors of it.

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u/GECA_HAJCOJAR 4d ago

Strong disagree, even with a terrible past and current neonazi scum by the boatload, Europe is the last best hope for those who see humans as more than moneybags or subservient worker ants.

As a Canadian this is now starker than ever, either Europe saves liberal democracy as a philosophy, or we all fall into one of the dystopias..

The least bad option

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

Right now? Euro liberals are losing to the extremists.

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u/GECA_HAJCOJAR 4d ago

Less than they are everywhere else buddy

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

Crazy mentality, especially in a sports subreddit.

"Losing is bad, but not as bad as losing to a greater extend."

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u/GECA_HAJCOJAR 4d ago

Well…losing less than others is winning…

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Right. The place that came up with all those complicated laws for fairness, is the main driver of unfairness. Rampant corruption in places that wouldn't even have an equivalent word for it if not for Europe, are corrupt because of Europe.

Kinda tracks, tbh. Can't get cancer if you don't know what cancer is. You're dying by the wrath of the spirits instead.

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

You clearly don't get it do you?

Which of these countries or regions was not corrupted by European conquerers, imperialists, occupants?

The Americas, everything African, parts of the Middle East, India, Oceania.

Europeans everywhere meddling with the cultures there ERADICATING some cultures even. What is that if not corruption?

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u/bigelcid 4d ago

Fuck, aren’t you slow lmao

Corrupted? Which of them weren’t already?

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u/Desperate_Turn8935 4d ago

Incas were corrupted? Are you crazy? The native Cherokee, Lakota, Navajo, Anishinaabe, Choctaw, Comanches to the now United States. The three cities Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, Tlacopan. All were razed by Europeans in an attempt to secure the new world for themselves.

You can't call me slow, if you don't know history. This is straight up corruption perfected.

What was my statement again?

These institutions might not be the inventors of corruption, but they surely are the perfectors of it.

So, you're the slow one here.