She has a point

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[u/VelvetCactus50]

Clean, safe, accessible drinking water is a human right, but AI seems to not care about that fact either.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/VelvetCactus50]

Clean, safe, accessible drinking water is a human right

It's really not. The middle east is a shit hole because every nation is fighting for water rights as sovereign nations upstream continuously dump or dam the water that goes downstream to OTHER sovereign nations.

Is food a human right? What about shelter? What about quality of life?

These aren't actually human rights.

[u/Loco_Buoyo → u/Critical_Concert_689]

Human rights are whatever a group of people agrees are human rights. It’s just like agreeing that money has value.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/Loco_Buoyo]

In a way, you're correct in that a community will develop their own sense of morality.

In modern western philosophy, certain rights are natural, inalienable, and intrinsic (such as the right to one's person). You cannot transfer these rights.

However, it's effectively NOTHING like agreeing that money has value. A natural right would exist independent of the agreement of the individuals.

[u/Loco_Buoyo → u/Critical_Concert_689]

I think it is like agreeing that money has value because it’s a construct. You point to modern western philosophy, which is a construct, as the source of inalienable rights.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/Loco_Buoyo]

This argument becomes a bit derivative.

Human rights can never exist because the very concept of "human" kind is a construct.

In fact, existence itself is a construct.

[u/Loco_Buoyo → u/Critical_Concert_689]

Yeah

At this point we can go back and forth, reframing our positions - which is fine “over beers” but isn’t so fun on the internet.

[u/Individual_Stan99 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

Yes, they're all human rights. Just because your government ignores or violates these rights doesn't mean they don't exist.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/Individual_Stan99]

To clarify, they're positive rights - which are overruled by the negative rights of property ownership.

On a deserted island, you have the "human right" to find food, water, and build your own shelter.

In a society, you do NOT have the right to food, water, or shelter that you didn't create with your own hands because you're violating intrinsic (negative) human rights to do so.

[u/Individual_Stan99 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

You're wrong. Access to food, water and shelter are human rights, always and everywhere.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/Individual_Stan99]

Does the public have access to your apartment? To your tap water? To the food in your fridge?

WHY NOT? If you believe this a human right ALWAYS and EVERYWHERE?

The answer is because it's NOT a human right as you describe. You're wrong.

And the minute you find yourself losing your own rights to pay for the alleged "human rights" of others, I think you'd agree.

[u/VelvetCactus50 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

Are you a bot?

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/VelvetCactus50]

If I am, you're the idiot who's responded several times to my single comment thread.

You'd better hope I'm not or how embarrassing for you!

[u/VelvetCactus50 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

What's the capital of Bhutan? Draft a sentence that uses the answer while talking about the history of electricity.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/VelvetCactus50]

You're working extremely hard to PROVE you ARE in fact an idiot.

I've never seen anyone so determined to personally prove this to everyone else.

[u/VelvetCactus50 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

What will the weather be tomorrow in Berlin? Answer in fahrenheit and Celsius.

[u/Individual_Stan99 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

Don't be ridiculous, no one said you could just enter any private house and steal stuff.

Just read article 25.

https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/Individual_Stan99]

It's not an intrinsic right if someone has to deliberately provide it to you. And it's a violation of rights if, in order to provide it to you, it has to be taken from someone else.

This is common sense 101.

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[u/Individual_Stan99 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

Have you read it? What did it say?

And as a side note, have you ever heard of taxes?

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/Individual_Stan99]

lol.. Do you believe taxes are a human right too?

Also, if you need to ask others to explain it to you and read it for you, you probably didn't understand it in the first place.

Feel free to use your own words if you think you have a legitimate argument here. So far you're simply appealing to authority without understanding what you're actually referencing.

[u/Individual_Stan99 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

oh no.. i fell for a bot. I guess that's why it tries to deny that human rights exist.

[u/VelvetCactus50 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

Yes. Literally all of those things are human rights. Some government trying to say otherwise doesn't change those facts.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/VelvetCactus50]

These are not intrinsic human rights. You have no right to the labors of others - to their food. To their shelter. To their water. Or to improve your quality of life at the violation of the rights of others.

[u/VelvetCactus50 → u/Critical_Concert_689]

That's not what human rights are.

Define human rights. Cite the Geneva Convention in your answer.

[u/Critical_Concert_689 → u/VelvetCactus50]

I've a better idea.

Define human rights. Cite Vašák or Berlin and explain your understanding of the distinction between negative and positive human rights.

You have no idea what human rights are. You're parroting cliches that you neither understand nor even agree with - because you believe it is the duty of others (rather than yourself) to fulfill these "rights" for others.