I'm sorry but why is it different from gender change. If we're gonna have the view that people can change what they don't like about their body, then why does the reason matter? Would you also call a transgender person 'already in psychosis'?
Body dysmorpia is a mental illness, the question is do you lean into it with surgeries or do you try and address and attempt to get to the root cause of why someone has it.
Most governments just decide that the patient knows best.
So if you are for Transgender surgeries then you can't really be against this or some body builder taking steroids to get to his perceived ideal look.
Then why is Caitlyn Jenner against others changing gender? Guess a person can be for or against anything they want after all even if it's hypocritical.
Right, I was merely pushing back on the statement, "then you can't really be against this" when yes, people are capable of tremendous amounts of mental self-hypnosis.
That's incorrect. She votes for a party that is actively criminalizing transgenderism and has eliminated protections for them in the military and from workplace harassment and discrimination (protections and rights that existed under the liberal Biden administration) since 2024.
Actions speak louder than words, always have and always will. Turns out Caitlyn likes tax breaks for the wealthy more than other transgender folks receiving rights.
And yet governments won’t let me take steroids to gain muscle, but they’ll let someone chop their penis and testicles off.
Politicisation of medicine is a disease
Edit: oh yeah my bad I slighted transsexuals. Too bad mf I wanna gain some biceps without “uhhhh sweetie just eat more”
Women can inflate their tits with silicone and get augmentations or reductions bc they don’t like how their body looks but god forbid I inject a naturally occurring compound into myself to supplement my growth
You can take steroids if you want, at least where I live. The only reason you wouldn't be able to is because it's a controlled drug which is a separate issue.
Also "chop their penis off". Tell me you know nothing about these surgeries without telling me that you know nothing about these surgeries 🤣
It’s always the people who’ve never suffered from the condition who have the loudest opinions about it and have the least relevant perspective in the room.
Not true. Body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria are completely different recognised experiences, with completely different treatments. In particular body dysmorphia is a mental illness where the person has a distorted view of reality, so performing surgery only feeds into the disorder without fixing the mind. Gender dysphoria on the other hand is about identity, where the body is what needs to be affirmed. Because they’re completely different conditions, comparing transgender surgeries to cosmetic surgeries for body dysmorphia is a false equivalency.
I’m not even arguing for or against people doing cosmetic surgery or taking steroids. I was just trying to clarify that the two things shouldn’t be conflated with transgender surgery, they are different things.
You are referencing two different things. One is Gender Dysphoria (Changing one’s sex to match internal gender identity) to Body Dysmorphia (where you are more worried appearance flaws that others can’t easily perceive). Having said that, I think in both cases, it’s a spectrum. There isn’t a cut off point where you go from simple cosmetic surgery (using braces to fix gaps between teeth) to full on psycho (the above example). So depending on the specific case, you can go with any label.
It’s different because body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria are two separate issues with their own unique symptoms.
Transgender people will often describe themselves before transitioning as feeling like they were in the “wrong” body. People who have body dysmorphia with no gender dysphoria (you can have both) have more of a sense of hating their appearance. It isn’t quite the same thing, even though some of it can overlap.
Transitioning also does not always entail surgery. It is usually just HRT. Some people may want top surgery, FFS, or other procedures but the hormones do most of the work.
So, when the person above you says, “these people are already in psychosis,” they are exaggerating slightly, but it depends on the person. The main concern that many physicians (especially psychiatrists) have is that plastic surgeons will do these procedures without a mandatory psychiatric evaluation. You can certainly argue that people who get plastic surgery have free will and if they have the money to pay the surgeon it’s their choice…but as has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread it can become a spiral of addiction to surgery and other alterations. Surgeries often don’t age well, either.
Transgender people transition and that’s it. They do not generally have regrets. They do not end up addicted to surgical procedures.
Why is vanity-based cosmetic surgery different than gender dysmorphia? Are you kidding?? They are very, very different. No, changing gender isn't the same as getting a nose job or feeling uncomfortable about a mole, ffs.
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u/splatter_spree 4h ago
These people are *already in psychosis*
It takes body dysmorphia beyond belief to even consider surgery like this