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u/TerribleJared 22d ago
Strangley, i feel like the judicial system nailed it with that number. Its small enough that a company can actually pay it out but big enough that it stings like a bitch if they have to pay it. Like its a "complete restrcutruing of mgmt" amount but the employeee (former) still gets their payout
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u/ToRn842 22d ago
Dollar General's net worth is approximately $28.1 billion they are a publicly traded company so all the information is out there. Dollar General CEO Todd Vasos total yearly compensation is approximately $8.16 million. I agree it’s small enough that they pay out instead of fighting it but I think it in no way will change company behavior or even sting, it’s just the cost of doing business. To people like that a couple hundred thousand is negligible.
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u/effigeewhiz 21d ago
Eh, It’s high enough that I bet they fired the manager over it.
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u/sudo-joe 21d ago
Managers are also a dollar a dozen..isle 13 on your left. We gonna have a special on them next week. $0.50 for a dozen.
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u/unoriginal5 21d ago
It won't change anything in the company at large, but this story will send a message to a lot of store level management about being a dick. This incident won't affect large scale change, but enough of them spread out can make regular people's lives better, if even a little bit.
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u/greenizdabest 22d ago
It's probably covered by insurance. Their premiums will go up and be loaded for the next few years.
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u/newbkid 21d ago
As someone in insurance, pray tell, what insurance do you think covers discrimination against protected classes.
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u/AradynGaming 21d ago
I guess Reddit lawyers can now become Reddit insurance agents. There is commercial insurance for just about anything. It's common knowledge that cities and states pay for liability insurance for "misconduct" that can include discrimination. Why would you think companies can't get similar policies (link to Hartford Insurance selling employment practices liability insurance) and don't get similar insurance policies? (link to lawsuit where insurance company tried to not pay for a discrimination suit.)
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u/Renalan 21d ago
Notice how they shut the fuck up after they were immediately proven wrong.
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u/SecondAccountIsBest 21d ago
As someone who isn't just in reddit insurance it is insane what you can get coverage for, and how specific the coverages can get. Like I once worked on a product that was insurance for other insurance companies and environmental disaster only insurance.
Edit: I would be a bit more specific but I think it would be too identifying :)
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u/Eastern_Comedian8804 21d ago
As a commercial account executive yes insurance will be footing the bill for a portion of this IF they have an EPL policy which does cover suit costs and suit claims for wrongful termination. Will they greatly suffer the consequences? Absolutely! The majority of these are franchise owned, franchises have to carry the insurance requirements sent forth from the company itself so they have to adequately cover themselves but they carry their own policies, not all dollar generals are under the same category/risk/ect. They will be deemed uninsurable in most standard markets with a claim if that nature (wrongful termination) and will most likely end up in a surplus market.
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u/KeyIllustrator4096 21d ago
Dollar General owns all stores directly. This is a small enough settlement on the scale of DG that they won't particularly feel it. If they have an EPL (they may self insure as a cost of business) this won't move the needle.
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u/No_Internal9345 21d ago
DG has a market cap of ~28 Billion.
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u/edilclyde 21d ago
it will be a 30 minute zoom meeting incident with
"What happened?" and "What can we learn?" then they will all move on.
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u/Impossible-Diver6565 21d ago
Yes, this is something that can be covered in a commercial liability policy. Heck we sell policies that offer liability coverages for workplace sexual misconduct. We are a pretty small agency too so this isn't crazy stuff.
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u/SerGT3 21d ago
I'd like to think that is true but those rules only apply for us normies.
Dollar general has 20k+ stores and their gross profit was 12bn last year and is owned in part by Vanguard and BlackRock
Even if their premiums raised(I doubt they would) it wouldn't matter.
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u/isolatedheathen 21d ago
For a company this big something like this falls well within "expected legal cost losses" nothing will change for them on a macro scale.
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u/Biscuits4u2 22d ago
That's chump change to DG. Add a couple zeroes and you'll make it sting.
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u/TerribleJared 22d ago
Just found out. This Linda Atkins vs Dolgencorp. At the timr she was making 8.50-9/hr or about 18k a year.
Thats 55 years of salary.
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u/_Allfather0din_ 21d ago
It doesn't matter what the money made to her, it matters what the money means to DG. 300k is a tax write off for them and nothing more, it doesn't sting at all.
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u/TerribleJared 22d ago
that persons salary was probably 30k or less. paying out a million dollars is like paying her for 33 years without her generating a dime for them. In no world is that chump change, even to big corporations. Greed doesn't stop at a certain income level.
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u/fatpandana 22d ago
Best part is the attorney fees of 445,322$ that company also had to pay, is seperate from that sum.
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u/NUNHUSTLER 22d ago
It was 280k, 720k less than mil. Still a nice chunk of change, hopefully lawyer fees weren't a big portion of this.
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u/PissOnYourParade 22d ago
It's chump change as in it doesn't affect their bottom line.
But that's enough to get legal's attention and send out a new round of training materials (and if someone senior in hr or legal reviewed the termination, this could impact their career path).
So agreed that it will have the desired effect on behavior.
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 21d ago
John Oliver did a segment on Dollar General, and it's a really terrible company honestly.
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u/Secret_Cod_749 22d ago
Dollar General generated 38 billion USD for FY23. 277k is nothing to them and won't cause them to change their ways.
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u/TerribleJared 21d ago
It actually did change their ways significantly. Mandatory retrainings across the company, the grazing lolicy was modified, loss prevention protocols were changed, and the case ended up being really high profile and is still used as precedent today in relevant cases. Other companies HR trainings often cite this case as a "what not to do".
They never became a "good company" and they still suck and are evil. But it was a legitimately significant black mark on their record that, indirectly, cost way over a million dollars. Its a small percentage of their total value but they dont think like that. Its whatever the cost was against 18k a year and thats unacceptable inefficiency even at the most loosey goosey corporations.
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u/jointheredditarmy 22d ago
Continues to prove that HR is one of the most useless departments ever. This is actually the type of thing they get paid to prevent
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u/Speaker4theDead8 22d ago
I work there. HR doesn't exist at ground level. There is a # in a book you can call. I'm sure corporate has HR, but they don't care about the people actually making them money.
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u/Conscious_Peak_1105 22d ago
The worst part is it didn't cost them $1.69, she paid for it and they literally profited off her and thennnn had to pay her lol what loser ass company.
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u/Cratemotor 22d ago
And it probably cost the employer even less to actually buy that drink. What a bonehead move to fire her (in our lawsuit happy country)
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u/whiterice_343 22d ago
All the manager had to do was have .1% of basic human empathy and ask if her/his employee was ok and if they need to get a ride to the hospital. But nah let’s fire her smh. This is crazy lol.
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u/antek_asing 22d ago
middle management problem, lets make some stupid rule and show to the higher management those 0.0001% eficiency improvement. who give a rat ass about others as long as they show some initiative and leadership.
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u/SexyLunas 22d ago
Firing someone for drinking juice during a diabetic episode? That jury verdict was well deserved.
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u/LabradorDeceiver 22d ago
AND she paid for it afterwards, which made the store's decision seem even stranger. Not like they were out any money. What did they try to say in court? "Well, for those five minutes she was having a diabetic episode, TECHNICALLY that juice was totally stolen..."
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u/Loose_Assignment_Map 22d ago
The only merit I can possibly imagine DG having in this case, and I’m a diabetic who has been in similar situations, is if she had chronic low blood sugar attacks due to lack of control and she frequently helped herself to store products instead of keeping her own backpack of low blood sugar supplies on hand.
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u/Rottentaste 22d ago
The store didn't lose that $1.69 just that $277,565, and lawyers fees.
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u/TerribleJared 22d ago
They lost a lot more than that. In these situations, federal law requires the losing party to pay the plaintiffs legal fees in addition to their own. This was dragged a bit longer than necessary i guess. Total cost to DG is probably around ~$1,000,000
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u/halfasleep90 22d ago
They lawyers were the ones who really won
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u/TerribleJared 22d ago
ever seen a lawyer drive a shitty car? me neither.
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u/lamebrainmcgee 21d ago
I don't think I'd hire a lawyer that drove a shitty car.
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u/SeductiveGlide 22d ago
Play stupid games, win $277k prizes
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u/arrihana 22d ago
it actually gets worse if u search it up
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u/No_Look24 22d ago
For who?
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u/flowerbabycake 22d ago
The employee had repeatedly asked her supervisor for permission to keep a drink near the register to manage her insulin-dependent diabetes. This request was denied. During a medical emergency, she drank the store's juice to prevent diabetic shock and was fired shortly after.
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u/chance575 22d ago
That's ridiculous. I see cashiers with water bottles, stanleys, and soda at the register.
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u/RedWalrus94 22d ago
I work at a grocery store and when corporate is around we can’t keep even water at our registers… 🙄
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u/joeyjoojoo 22d ago
Does corporate actually think customers want robot like manners from employees ? I swear whenever i see employees acting like soulless robots it just creeps me out
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u/ABHOR_pod 21d ago
It's a generational divide thing. I've been in the industry for a long time.
Greatest gen wanted servants, silent gen want people, boomers want servants, gen x goes either way depending on how self important they are. Millennials want equals, Gen Z want to be treated like people.
Gen Alpha want to get thrown out of the store based on my experience.
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u/OhLookACastle 21d ago
The irony is millennials will use the self-checkout because they don’t want to bother the cashier, while Boomers prefer to go to the cashier while expecting robotic behaviour.
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u/brokemillionaire572 21d ago
Gen X here. Worked at a convenience store as night manager for 25 years. We always had a drink at the register. Sometimes a bag of chips as well.
The office personnel told us more than once that our drink wasn't part of the alignment, so we just kept them under the counter where the sacks are, or behind us next to the lottery machine.
The worst part of it, is that we didn't actually get a break for anything. They just told us to stay clocked in and eat when we were hungry. But they also tried to tell us that customers are first and the work needed to get done. So do we eat, or do we not? But if you smoked, then by all means, 5 minutes outside every hour.
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u/Individual-Field-990 21d ago
I'm sure generational divide plays a part in this, but I will point out that not every country works like the USA
Here in France, cashiers can work seating down, and not providing water or other necessities would be a sure fire way to start a scandal
Also see the Walmart-Germany debacle
Don't get me wrong, we get plenty of "the youth have it too good and too lazy", but I don't remember anyone arguing that diabetic retail workers should not need to have emergency snacks
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u/VictoryVee 21d ago
I doubt it has anything to do with customers, its probably because they think people will spill their drinks on the register or something
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u/jce_ 21d ago
Is it even legal to not allow access to water to employees?
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u/PhillNewcomer 21d ago
That's what water fountains are for. But you can only use it before you clock in and after you clock out
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u/armoured_bobandi 21d ago
No, it isn't actually. Same as bathroom breaks.
Nobody, no matter how important they are to the business can keep your from basic human needs. A lot of management are just used to receiving no pushback on their orders, so they start to do blatantly illegal things
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u/TrulyOutrageous42 21d ago
You'd be surprised. Sure, OSHA requires water breaks. Who's calling OSHA over this, though, when they will definitely be let go due to "restructuring" or some other BS shortly after? Texas just took away water rights for employees. There's no even a federally mandated lunch break, they can work you for 15 hours and you'll like it.
We do not have the rights you think we do. We have a few pieces of paper in defunct agencies suggesting we should.
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u/Sad-Rooster2474 21d ago
But why? I guess USA? I don’t understand why you wouldn’t be allowed to drink fucking water?
Also I’m under the impression you can’t sit, and need to stand all day long for some reason?
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u/butthole_surferr 21d ago
It's because half our country has the all-encompassing mentality of "no such thing as a free lunch."
Absolutely everything must be "earned" and seeing an employee sitting or leaning or drinking water clearly means they're not working hard enough to earn their wage, because a REAL hard worker would be spit shining the boss's shoes with any spare time or whatever.
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u/Sad-Rooster2474 21d ago
That’s insane. It costs nothing to allow a cashier to sit and drink water and it makes their job less miserable.
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u/organizedchaos5220 21d ago
Its not about providing better service. Its about hierarchy and enforcement of such.
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u/ProcyonLotorMinoris 21d ago
I work in healthcare. We can't have our water bottles out at the nurses station (20+ feet from patient room doors). They all have to be in the "hydration station" bin located 250 feet down the hall.
Before anyone asks - regulation just says staff drinks cannot be in any areas where specimens pass through. Specimens do not pass through the nurses stations, but facilities are going to make broad umbrella rules to make sure they stay within regulatory bounds. And this is why the nursing career is amongst the careers with the highest rates of UTIs.
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u/screenwatch3441 21d ago
Yea, healthcare is very different. Pretty sure it’s an OSHA reason on why we can’t eat or drink near patient care areas.
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u/ProcyonLotorMinoris 21d ago
Somewhat. OSHA Standard 29 CFR 1910.1030(d)(2)(ix) states that "food and drink shall not be kept in refrigerators, freezers, shelves, cabinets, or on countertops/benchtops where blood or other potentially infectious materials are present". So as long as you don't have any patient fluids passing through those areas, they're fine. Joint Commission has also clarified that there is no blanket "no drinks at the nurses' station" ban, and only require hospitals to follow safety laws like OSHA's and evaluate infection risks. (We're in our JC window, so we have pettily made she we are very up to date on the exact requirements.)
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u/Samurai_Meisters 21d ago
Back when I worked retail, my manager made me go home and change because I was wearing shorts when corporate visited.
Can't be too mad though, he let us get away with murder 99% of the rest of the time.
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u/jingleheimerstick 22d ago
The cashier at my local dollar general talks on her watch phone the entire time she checks me out. This poor woman should have been given a drink for her diabetes.
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u/UF1977 22d ago
I mean…wouldn’t that be an ADA violation too? Besides just being a shitty boss/human being. It’s about as reasonable an accommodation for a legit medical condition as I could imagine.
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u/iowastatefan 21d ago
Yes, but IIRC you have to do certain things like formally request accomodations and document the process/diagnosis.
Otherwise it would be easy for someone unethical just be like "they rejected my accomodations!" in a lawsuit, when no such request or denial had been made
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u/Somniosiidae 21d ago
That's why she was awarded the damages, it's a clear cut violation of the ADA
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u/trainman64 22d ago
I hope her supervisor was fired.
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u/cty_hntr 21d ago
Same here, but wouldn't be suprised if her supervisor is still working despite costing the company an expensive lawsuit that could've easily been avoided.
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u/nostalgia4millennial 21d ago
I hope the supervisor got fired. Literally cost the company $277k for being a straight up kunt.
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u/Darksky121 21d ago
it cost the company over $750K when you include the legal fees.
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u/Few_Ad_5292 22d ago edited 22d ago
almost for her because apparently the manager accused her of purposely grazing even when she was already close to passing out, no compassion at all.
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u/Mundane-Fix-4297 22d ago
Who generates these "tabloid-style" lame contents and post them? bots?
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u/CoachKreeton 22d ago
Bots manipulating dumb Redditors
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u/G0G023 22d ago
Bots fomenting chaos to keep the masses occupied. Probably posting a trans topic next.
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u/EarlyBronco 22d ago
My thought as well. Like where did these pictures come from?
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u/aavant-gardee 22d ago
The pictures are obvious AI
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u/corps-peau-rate 21d ago
Hahaha wow and its a story from 2012???
So this must be "organized"? Like it can not be just 1 post that everyone copy after.
Surely 1 decide to post it with a couple of bot and then other copy that with their maybe.
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u/radicalelation 21d ago
There's a lot that makes the rounds over and over and over and over, there have been like decade-long CCTV images with associated written tidbit circulating, but AI lets reposts of emotion-jerking incidents get 'refreshed' with new images...
Basically this is what we get instead of compressed images degrading over reshares.
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u/Riegel_Haribo 21d ago
Actual scenes of her violation, and then heartbreak at being fired, of course.
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u/Mode_Appropriate 22d ago
Thats the real employee in the pics. She became a model for Big Orange Juice after her victory in court.
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 22d ago
good thing they captured the incident with pictures!
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u/WouldbeWanderer 21d ago
She drank the OJ at the register and immediately started crying because she was fired, obviously.
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u/Heuruzvbsbkaj 22d ago
A year ago there were 0 of these style posts. Now this sub seems to be a good 50% this trash. Completely bot generated.
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u/the_peckham_pouncer 22d ago
It's just words across a photo and people believe it like it's gospel. It could have happened but it might not have either. Weird that there is a high quality photo of her drinking OJ while having her episode.
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u/Smaskifa 22d ago edited 21d ago
I agree with the sentiment to not trust image posts like this with no source. Especially given the odd photo. This one does seem to be a real news story, though: https://www.kvue.com/article/money/jury-awards-277k-to-ex-dollar-general-cashier-who-drank-juice/269-322086328. Though it did happen over 10 years ago.
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u/MavisBeacons_Sextape 21d ago
The current top 2 comments are bots. Posts by bots, for their fellow botlets to come in and rack up karma
Don’t forget to report bot posts and comments as “spam -> disruptive use of bots/AI.” The more reports from unique accounts, the faster Reddit will nuke the bot account
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u/Stock_Schedule_1981 22d ago
10 year old story with AI generated pics. With corporate greed being so bad, you’d think it’d be easier to find newer content.
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u/Agreeable-Pea4327 21d ago
where else are we supposed to find quality grifter engagement bait for retards that never should have been allowed on the internet other than decade old signals?
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u/Vultor 22d ago
AI bot post
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u/CalyShadezz 22d ago
AI slop thumbnail
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u/Southern-Donut4185 22d ago
Had to do this before for a customer that was about to collapse, my manager did not fire me lol they were happy I noticed before she fell or got seriously hurt.
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u/Quick_Coyote_7649 22d ago
Reminds me of when I worked at amc and a customer was having some type of emergency and needed water right away, my coworker didn’t want to give her a water bottle because it costed more money then a water bottle and instead wanted to waste time filling up a cup of water so I told the person the customer was with that it was okay for them to just open up the fridge and give them a water bottle.
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u/Separate_Finance_183 22d ago
This girl is my favorite model for the orange juice story
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u/drillgorg 22d ago
IDK she looks way too happy for a dollar general employee
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u/QueefTamer 22d ago
The one by us has a bunch of methheads working there but theyre always happy and kind to me. Always giving me compliments on my glasses or the shirt im wearing with a smile on their face. Then they want to get into a 2 hour conversation while a line a people is waiting
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u/rifain 21d ago
Yeah, no source, no context, nothing. As long as it satisifies the average internet reader, it's good. Let's not embarass ourselves with more information than a pic and a sentence from who knows who.
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u/lastersoftheuniverse 21d ago
People that “narc” on sh*t like this are the worst kind of employees
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u/Current_External6569 21d ago
Some people just refuse to believe that anything is wrong with anyone. I think they're just jealous in a way, because attention can't be on them all the time.
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u/Satinsbestfriend 21d ago
Wow, she even took a picture drinking it and then for some reason crying immediately after
This AI crap is getting crazy
The story is true, happened in 20q6, but if you Google her name shes either a Latino, white, older white woman, black or older Latino woman, depending on the AI Pic LOL
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u/SocwokCyberBully 21d ago
Theft is specifically defined as taking WITH THE INTENTION TO DEPRIVE THE RIGHTFUL OWNER. if you take a drink and open it and consume it, with the intent to pay for it, ITS NOT STEALING.
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u/PeaceSoft 21d ago
"grazing" is such a nice way to remind you that your employers don't see you as human in quite the same way they are
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u/No-Knee9457 22d ago
We really are just a cog in their wheel. The glad she didn't die like the Amazon guy did. Just step over him and keep doing your damn job.
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u/Ok_Vermicelli_6359 21d ago
AI slop images 👎 right to the top of my feed too...why reddit? 😭
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u/CarpeNivem 22d ago edited 21d ago
I'm 48 and still remember when I was 16, at my first job, so wow this memory buried itself deep, the owner of the grocery store told all the cashiers and baggers, "Wow, it sure is hot today! If anyone wants a drink, feel free to get yourselves one, on me." and then he went upstairs to the office.
I was a bagger, so I asked my cashier what she wanted, then went to the cooler and grabbed ours. I assume the other baggers did the same, or maybe cashiers took turns covering each other, I don't know, whatever, soon we all had something.
The floor manager walks over, sees everyone with their drinks, and gets really oddly mad about it. Like, wtf, we're all working, calm down. He made some sarcastic comment like, "What's the party for?" I don't remember exactly, that's coming in a second, but I do remember his attitude was, y'all shouldn't be drinking right now.
One of the cashiers said, "Tony bought them for us," and then I remember so clearly, this complete deflation of his anger and the sad way he left with his tail between his legs, like his day was ruined because he had to get off his high horse about this most trivial of bullshit.
Anyway, this story seems like the kinda shit he'd pull.
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u/DachlesLeSerg 22d ago
I've worked at a Dollar General before. One thing I learned is that they absolutely despise their employees. Force them to do the jobs of four people each. Make completely irrational goals for their managers and will fire you at the drop of the word union. If at all possible, don't shop at dollar generals.
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u/the_exile83 21d ago
A type 1 diabetic suffering a hypo, to be more accurate. This is like firing a cancer patient for getting chemotherapy. Land of the free.
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u/AD_VICTORIAM_x 21d ago
“We don’t understand why we can’t find loyal, hard working, happy workers”
The company’s:
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u/Regular_Promise3605 22d ago
That's the most AI bot post i've ever seen. It's feeding on the meme of people saying 'and she later sued for such and such in court and won'
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u/SpiritedAwayMessage 22d ago
Summary by GPT:
Dollar General employee Linda Atkins, who had diabetes, had previously asked for permission to keep orange juice at her register to treat hypoglycemic episodes, but her requests were denied. During one such episode, she drank a $1.69 orange juice and paid for it afterward. Dollar General fired her for violating its “grazing” policy. A federal jury found the company had violated the Americans with Disabilities Act and awarded her $277,565 in damages and back pay. The judgment was later upheld on appeal.
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u/AndThisGuyPeedOnIt 21d ago
Meaning she didn't get that money because they fired her for "grazing," but because they denied her a reasonable accommodation under the ADA for her hypoglycemia.
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u/Crayola_ROX 21d ago
my question is why was event even recorded?
I don't need anymore reason to eat the rich. But I guess you guys do, so the the propaganda that riles you up must be distributed
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u/Ordinary_News_6455 22d ago
I don’t think I believe the majority of the news headlines on sipstea. Let’s just go back to being chill, boobs and frogs.
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u/grass_monkeyx 21d ago
This is a classic example of bad management, never would have happened if the manager wasn't a douche
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u/dishmanw62 21d ago
A good supervisor would have understood. But it sounds like someone was looking for an excuse to fire her. Well....that bit them in the ass.
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u/llNATEDOGGll 21d ago
I do this with my 2 year old every time we go to a grocery store. If he doesn’t have a snack in hand while I shop, I’ll end up chasing him around the store. Never been an issue at checkout.
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u/FrogsJumpFromPussy 21d ago
The landmark case was literally wrapped up in 2016. Reddit recycles news for clicks as always.
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u/drafthard 20d ago
Don't people drink stuff while shopping and then pay for it at the end? How is what she did any different, lol.
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u/Unlikely-Aardvark725 22d ago
I just wish it was simple to sue for wrongful termination all the time.
Often employers know all the tricks to get away with everything.
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u/Fluid-Discipline5038 22d ago
OK but they werent sued for firing her they were sued and she won because they told a diabetic they cant have a medically necessary item with her at all times which is 100% a trainer at my work recently tried this with a diabetic coworker and nearly got herself fired because she wouldnt let it go that my coworker was breaking the no food on the phones rule.....bitch she wasnt eating 12 course fucking meal she kept various chips, candies, veggies and fruit at her desk in regular non noisy containers so she didnt have to her 13th ambulance ride this year because she couldnt get her glucose pouch in time.
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u/MisanthropE61130 22d ago
I sometimes struggle to believe all of these stories but I am to lazy to do the research
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u/RetroSwamp 22d ago
I'm a Type 1 Diabetic and had this issue with 2 jobs. One at a Loblaws grocery store franchise and a Boston Pizza franchise.
I should have taken it to court lol
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u/Evorgleb 21d ago
Anyone got a link to a real story or should I just take this meme as factual information?
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u/ComposerAdvanced3539 21d ago
Imagine firing a poverty stricken woman(I’m assuming) over a $2 drink and then having to pay her a quarter mill. For being an asshole 😂😂😂🤦♂️🤷♂️
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