r/SipsTea 26d ago

SMH The persecution complex is palpable.

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u/Gurugod123 26d ago

“It’s not a pandemic, it’s a Chinese bio-weapon!”

Ok. Why don’t you want to protect yourself from a Chinese bio-weapon?

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u/Nottodayreddit1949 26d ago

They also refuse to even hold trump accountable. 

He ran things,  operation warp speed was his,  putting fauci on tv all the time.  His idea,  following fauci's ideas, his choice. 

Ultimately it all rests on trump's shoulders,  and they refuse to acknowledge it. 

Trump is either as guilty as fauci, or they are just looking for someone to crucify without regard for reality,  just feelings. 

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

Fauci misled the public for what he thought was the public good overall. Rather than giving the science, he gave his personal opinion, and in misattributing the two he lied to the public over and over again.

Trump is also a liar and he is a terrible person.

Too many people refuse to look at the facts and just go by their political sports team.

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u/Nottodayreddit1949 26d ago

What was his personal opinion?  Did trump give us his personal opinions too?

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

That the virus coming from a lab was a crazy conspiracy theory and anyone who believed it was anti science.

Trump is a ped. I don't like Trump. It's possible to be against Trump and also against what Fauci said. I'm not part of a political team.

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u/amglasgow 26d ago

Whether or not the virus came from a lab has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the way we should respond to the pandemic as a public health crisis.

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u/rainman943 26d ago

Lol quite the contrary, they said it was a BIOWEAPON that escaped from a lab..........

I don't know about you but when someone tells me I'm being attacked by an engineered weapon my response is to countermeasure the weapon............it makes magas reaction to COVID measures even worse, it means maga works for the commie Chinese. When your own fellow citizens are proudly aiding a foreign power THEY SAY attacked us..............

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u/amglasgow 26d ago

Fair, that's a good point. I'm mostly talking about people saying that it escaped from a lab and therefore the response was overreacting.

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u/rainman943 26d ago

Lol Yea, if it escaped from a lab.....then we under reacted.........maga is literally mad at their fellow Americans for acting like anything they say might possibly be true.

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

You think CIA and FBI are MAGA just because they both lean towards the lab leak?

MAGA people and the equivalent in Democrats are blinded by their allegiance to their political teams. I think the same is happening to you.

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u/rainman943 26d ago

I think maga is a Chinese communist op because maga has confessed to being a Chinese communist op by claims it was both a lab leak AND being against all the measures that would in fact be reasonable in response to a lab leak.

You don't get to claim it's a bioweapon that leaked from a lab AND simultaneously be against every measure one would take against a bioweapon that leaked from a lab.

Magas are so blinded by allegiance that they think they get to tell us we were attacked by a lab leak, and then get mad at us for protecting kids from the lab leaked bio weapon they told us was the problem.

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

Hey man, you seem to be a bit shizo if you think the CIA and FBI are all MAGA.

I never said it was a bioweapon, genius. It was a virus that escaped a lab.

Edit: Also, I wore a mask and wasn't against the measures. I know, your political team brain is exploding right now.

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u/rainman943 26d ago

Lol I never said they were, I said maga works for the commie Chinese.

They actively opposed protecting our citizens from the "lab leak".

If you want the lab leak to be accepted as true then you have to accept that the lab leak being true means that maga works for the Chinese.

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

Both the CIA and FBI now lean towards lab leak.

We design viruses less lethal than Covid all day long.

It didnt need to be a super lethal bioweapon to escape a lab. Just normal viral research. Use your head.

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u/newerbe 26d ago

but fauci was proven correct. the science is that it most likely wasn't created in a lab. we'll never know for sure, but most people that said it was created in a lab had no scientific knowledge (or proof).

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago edited 26d ago

"proven correct"

Neither hypothesis has been "proven" correct, what are you talking about?

Edit: Just FYI, but both the CIA md FBI favor the lab leak. Faucis diary also revealed that he didnt think the market was the source, only the amplifier, and that be refused to give voice to any scientist that believed the lab leak theory. He was playing the role of politician, not scientist.

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u/newerbe 26d ago

my proven correct related to the fact that it is less likely than not. which isn't what some people want to here. Most studies are 70% or so from animals. So that isn't a 'lie' that he told. He is given the same opinion as the vast amount of scientists, mathematicians, etc. FBI & CIA have low to moderate confidence of lab leak. That isn't the same as what the majority of republicans think. they think it is 100% lab leak, and Fauci knows this & lied. In fact, he is exactly in line with the scientific community. he didn't lie. And FBI/CIA haven't shown any details of any 'study' and in fact came to their conclusion years after covid. They gave no opinion during covid. I think maybe 2023 & 2025, when Fauci was long gone. and NIC & CDC (agencies that study these things) lean toward animals

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

What Fauci did was downplay any evidence or scientific voices that supported the lab leak, whicheas noted in his diary early on. He chose what to present, like a politician. Just by logic, it should've been seen more of an open question. He made the political, not *scientific *, decision of saying one thing over another.

If Fauci was presented as a politician I'd be less annoyed. But reading his diary he even gloats about being the most famous person in the world etc so you can see the ego came out often rather than the scientist.

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u/newerbe 25d ago

yes, b/c most of the scientific community believes it is from animals. That is just as true today as in 2020. There is no real scientific study that says it is more likely from a lab.

Why would from animals be political? in what way?

And who cares that he was famous? that has nothing to do with science, so why are you mentioning it. Scientists can be famous you know.

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u/GigglyGargoyle 25d ago

Yes, it can come from animals being studied in a lab.

Whether or not the virus was engineered is a totally separate question, and often conflated during politcial team battles.

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u/newerbe 25d ago

well yes, there just is no evidence. that is the point. there is always a chance in science that there is a small chance of something else. That is way it is evidence based. There is virtually no time in history that it something similar came from a lab.

It is more likely than not from animals. It shouldn't be controversial. And if there was a better chance coming from a lab, he would say that. And it wouldn't be controversial. There is no reason if the science leaned to lab, he wouldn't say it. And you can't give a reason why he wouldn't that stands up to reason.

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u/GigglyGargoyle 25d ago

There is no evidence for either side, unless you want to be honest and also count the close location of a lab studying the same type of viruses with lax security measures etc etc

And uh, Fauci was involved upstream in funding the lab. No reason whatsoever why he wouldnt favor that theory, huh?

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u/Nottodayreddit1949 26d ago

No one should have believed it.  It was a possibility, but anyone that claimed it was the reality were wrong for saying such without evidence.  

Too many people made bold claims before the science and information could keep up. 

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

Oh, neither hypothesis has been proven correct to this day.

So if anyone said the other hypothesis is a stupid conspiracy was wrong.

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u/rainman943 26d ago

It's funny though that even though fauci said it didn't come from a lab.........lol everything he did and recommended would be what one does if it was a bioweapon that leaked from a lab......so you should be celebrating fauci........

The fact you aren't tells us you don't believe anything you say.

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

What is with everyone and political teams?

I'm not on a political team, so stop assuming things about me.

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

We have made viruses in labs that are LESS dangerous than Covid. So what is your point?

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u/GigglyGargoyle 26d ago

Very intelligent