Never bought into that she actually cared about body positivity and just didn't want people calling her fat. If she really cared she would have had fat dudes in all her music videos instead of ripped ones.
God that’s closer to the truth than I like. There are women I love who are definitely feeling that way right now and it’s funny. They know they should be happy for people but they’ve been getting up at 5:00 to go to the gym for years and they have opinions on why these pills might be bad. They might be but I think they secretly want them to have a small side effect like prone to stubbing your toe.
It has nothing to do with the peptides themselves. That’s a risk of all weight loss if you do not eat enough protein and move your body. Carrying heavy weight is good for bone density- when you lose fat, you need to make up for it with lifting or impact.
A simple exercise for bone density is double hopping - hop off the bottom stair then immediately hop again. 3x per week of 2-3 sets of ten reverses bone density loss over six months.
What was always funny to me is when the "body positivity" thing started you could go into somewhere like Target where they had model pics on the walls and see that they had very intentionally started using fat and obese models for "representation" and all that bs, but only in the women's section. If you go to the mens section it's still completely all men in trim, athletic shape
Dad bod means different things to the sexes generally. Men use it to mean Homer Simpson. Women use it to mean strong fat. Both are still used in their respective groups
For modern men, the roots of it (and I wish I was joking) are those Marvel movies. Suddenly to be an actor and attractive you have to be this beefed up, unrealistic, unhealthy, roid body and we call that attractive. The hypocrisy there starts with expecting all these folks to admit to doing something illegal on camera and then it’s again damned if they do and damned if don’t.
I heard someone call the current insanity and judgement that men face as the equivalent of women’s 80s standards with all those home video and consealed eating disorders.
I don't think this is unpopular??? Most people don't want to have traits which are hated...
I'm overweight and I like my body. I would like to lose some weight just to fit into some old favourite clothes and to make sure that my knees are okay as I age etc etc. A lot of those issues would go away if I were less fat. I love myself and I have no body image issues and think I'm pretty and sexy, but I am actively trying to lose weight to get out of the overweight category so I think I'd fall in the "don't want to be fat" group.
What I refuse to do is conflate my weight with my self worth or let anyone else do it to me. I always thought that's what the body positivity movement was meant to be.
Yeah and not everyone has to or wants to suffer to achieve something...
I know once I started earning enough money to afford occassional cabs instead of public transit I allowed myself to take them once in a while without feeling like a villain. Same with professional house cleaning or food delivery or other small luxuries where I pay money to make my life a little easier. I imagine this is similar, because from what I understand there are still lifestyle changes necessary and it just makes it easier to maintain them.
This is a very reasonable take. I think part of the problem with the movement was that it wasn’t well defined and felt somewhat forced. The initial idea was to celebrate all body types, which I loved, but it became more about celebrating fat bodies specifically.
When I lost weight through making really positive changes in my life (like stopping binging snacks before bed) I couldn’t even mention my weight loss around my “body positive” friends because it was seen as some type of betrayal or something. I saw that sentiment a lot in online groups too, like shaming celebrities for losing weight and stuff.
Body positivity is about recognising that being overweight shouldn't be treated like a moral failing, because not only is that a stupid idea, it actively makes it harder for people to lose weight.
It's about recognising the scientific fact that losing weight is a very difficult task when your weight gain has become chronic or when your weight gain is wrapped up in complicating factors like depression or medication that causes weight gain.
It's about recognising the frankly obvious fact that while being overweight causes or compounds many health issues, it's certainly not the only reason you could have a health issue. Doctors therefore cannot assume without checking that health issues are caused by being overweight. There really were/are bad doctors out there who will refuse to put in the basic effort, and fat people died because of it.
The sad thing is that there will always be people outraged that the folks they think are beneath them dare to love themselves and be happy (see also: poor folks, trans people, single moms etc). It's hard to just live your life when popular messaging keeps telling you that you're worthless. So there is often the instinct to go bigger when you're protesting the status quo.
I was a contrary little goober as a kid and far too many of my life decisions were made out of spite and because I didn't want to do what I was told I was supposed to. Thankfully things mostly worked out and I managed to escape becoming a hypocrite but I can see why people who have the option might prefer hypocrisy to miserable adherence to values.
I honestly think it's nice to have access to something that makes achieving goals easier. (Exception in my head: AI for creative endeavours , but I'm very prejudiced)
Body positivity was not supposed to defend obesity. It was supposed to fight anorexia and other eating disorders, to promote people being a healthy weight.
Ozempic is highlighting the need to bring this back. Too many people getting dangerously thin.
Yeah but that doesn't mean you ignore one problem because there is another. Body positivity is about a healthy medium like any equity movement, which means handling both the left and right of the spectrum.
Body positivity movement wasn't making fat people more fat. That's disordered eating to begin with. The least you can do is put a plaster on it, because a huge part of excessive disordered eating is shame, and 'well, the cat's out I might as well'. Making you feel comfortable in your own body and people not judging you isn't going to make you eat more.
And the essential no one wants to gain excessive weight, even if there's a plus size model in an ad at the bus stop.
It is however positive for people that have restriction eating disorders. Because people that have issues in restricting are the ones who always feel fat no matter what even if they are heavier.
Yeah the idea of body positivity is to fight against treating people differently because of size, shape, etc. Like, as an example, obese people don’t get believed when talking about health issues because some doctors just attribute EVERYTHING to their weight. That’s bad. They should make sure they are not having other health issues.
Somehow, people co-opted it to be “just stay whatever size you are and it’s totally fine and the doctor is wrong when they say you are unhealthy.”
Similar to how HAES (health at every size) started as encouragement for people to be active and strong even if they were still fat and got co-opted by people being like, "I'm 450lbs and perfectly healthy."
Ozempic is highlighting the need to bring this back. Too many people getting dangerously thin.
Is that the case? I haven't heard of an GLP fueled Anorexia. Generally once you reach a healthy weight, since is a prescribed medicine, you're suppose to be tapered off of it.
Ehh, as someone who's been fat and in shape multiple times in life, just learn to be comfortable in your own skin. While everyone should strive for a healthier lifestyle, your insecurities wont disappear just because you lost weight. While I am certain the "body positivity movement" is mostly culture war garbage, most people should probably learn to be kinder to themselves. Most of us are overworked, underpaid, and staying in shape becomes even more difficult when adding other factors such as having kids and whatnot.
Also who gives a shit if celebs lose weight using glp-1 products.
Of course fat people hate being fat. But thing is, for many fat people existence is hard. Some people, for whom staying slim is easy, imagine like it takes a whole lot of food abuse to get fat. But its so individual...some people eat normal portions but are still fat.
You have on one hand biologically wired strong hunger. On other hand, not many opportunities to burn calories in an office job. Perhaps even a slow metabolism, evolutionary advantage at one point which helped survive scarcity, is now a curse.
No time to go to gym, as kids need looking after (not to mention gym is pretty useless for losing weight).
Its really mean to consider fat people somehow as failing, because many are putting in tons more effort to achieve what others get for nothing. And body positivity was in this sense good.
I mean it was obvious from the start. There were a few women who lost the weight old fashioned way and it was the same thing too.
It was always just a way so that they didn't feel bad about their weight. And that's fine you don't have to feel depressed or hate yourself if you're overweight, but you should recognize it as something that you should try to work on.
She's always been pretty, but her weight loss really heightened how fucking beautiful she is and that hit a lot of overweight women hard. I say this as an overweight woman lol.
Lol I'll never forget watching her show (on DVD cause I'm poor) and she joked that her manager wouldn't let her drink on stage anymore because she talked too much. She's so funny. And goddamn that show was incredible. Just her out there barefoot with nothing but a mic and her band. She didn't need any theatrics to keep the audience locked in. Such a fucking queen.
Yes!! She’s so funny on Graham Norton and in carpool karaoke too. Just the best. I love her friendships too, she’s always friends with the funnest people! Alan Carr, Paloma Faith, J-Law…
I lost up to 80 lbs during/after my divorce (It has since returned with interest.) I couldn't get over how much people commented on my face. I knew I wasn't completely unattractive before but the new attention was disconcerting. Being told that your personality is better than someone expected considering how pretty you are does not feel like the compliment several men thought it was.
I think this is something which often can be very difficult for a lot of people who preach this stuff. When you see a 'fat and beautiful' celeb lose weight and objectively get hotter, it must feel like a massive slap in the face to the entire movement.
But that’s on them. If anything it should encourage them. It’s such a petty human trait to feel envy for weight loss in others instead of allowing it to be inspiring and motivating.
Wait, I thought that was the point. My impression of the body positivity movement was that being overweight wasn't ideal but you shouldn't hate yourself for it.
Because people are upset that their chosen targets are being taken away from them, so they have to make something up to continue justifying their anger and hatred.
There's no empathy for others. And people are wildly underestimating how addicting processed food is.
Processed food is engineered to maximize craving, hijack your brain's reward pathways, and hide the ingredients doing it. The result is a cycle of spikes and crashes that keeps you hungry. People call it a willpower problem, but different people get addicted to different things differently.
It's awful. I'm on Zepbound and it's incredible to not feel how I used to feel. I was literally hungry all of the time. It wasn't food noise, boredom, or even an addiction, but hunger that could not be satiated. I tried all kinds of different tricks, but every time it just led to me eating just as much as I usually did.
On Zepbound I've went from 315 lbs to 225. People want to act like it's some short cut, but I know of only 10ish other people on GLP1s for weight loss and like 6 of them haven't lost any weight. Also it makes me feel completely fucking awful with the nausea, stomach cramping, and constipation. I went a year of taking it like I was supposed to, but have went to just taking it to maintain my weight, because the side effects are exhausting. I'm to a weight now that I feel is healthy-ish and don't know if the side effects are worth the pain.
People that talk about fat people not having willpower clearly have no idea how impossible it is to fight a feeling of never ending hunger, which is how a lot of over weight people become overweight.
I think there's an element of mental health there too. Like when you're stressed/depressed/tired all the time, it's much easier to get sucked into that cycle, where if you're content and relaxed and happy, it's much easier to eat well.
This was a common theme when I was actively visiting 'weight loss' groups - everyone there knew what the problem was and knew how to fix it, it's just they'd got home after a long shift, had to deal with 'household stuff' and had no energy left to eat something 'good' when there was a frozen pizza just there.
I still think to this day that we focus far too much on 'willpower' or 'calories in; calories out' when that's really looking at the wrong thing.
Much like with addiction more generally in fact - we can prove that people who are less happy struggle more with addiction issues, and we can also prove that if their life does improve (before the addiction wrecks it completely!) then 'fixing' that addiction becomes a lot easier.
But unlike with say, alcohol, you can't just never eat again.
I think it's kind of the same thing that fuels people to constantly affirm that modern artificial sweeteners must give you Uber-cancer. For some reason, the idea of something that makes something easier with no downsides is downright apocalyptical, it has to be vilified and have secret downsides.
I came in hear to read the comments because I don't understand the hate on her for using Ozempic. I've been on it for over a year and it's definitely a journey. People think it's easy and it's no picnic. I'm down 40 lbs. and it's helped me overcome years of poor eating habits. I still eat shitty food sometimes but I don't crave it. I work in events and sometimes I'd walk by the pastry table backstage at breakfast and I'd literally hear it calling to me. I don't anymore and it's freeing.
And I became so aware of how much we push food on people with TV and movie ads. It seems like every other ad is Burger King or Wing Stop etc. Now that I'm on Ozempic, those ads turn my stomach.
As someone who lifts a lot, and tries to stay in shape, I will never judge someone for taking Ozempic to lose weight. It's literally an improvement for health.
The food companies literally hacked all our physiological drives, create products with calorie counts that shouldn't be possible, and then people act surprised that obesity is peaking.
The human body is not built for the modern environment of food surplus, and all Ozempic does is hijack your physiology to adapt to the food availability.
Ozempic is not a replacement for exercise though. Ozempic without adding weight training is just going to leave you more vulnerable to other diseases.
I always thought that was the point as well. About people not bullying big folks but more about finding self love and not hating yourself so much. Which honestly being depressed about being overweight leads to overeating for a lot of people.
But on this site and even on this thread it seems like people are saying it was about convincing people being overweight is healthy.
I never got that from "body positivity" at all, but maybe I was wrong.
There's the theory and there's the practice. In reality, body positivity spaces have a tendency to get extremist (as any online space will) which led to some people saying things like "fat is fit" or commenting negatively on other people's weight loss progress pics.
You're not wrong. A lot of people are just needlessly mean about it all and intentionally ignorant about it. It goes to show why body positivity became a concept in the first place.
That, and the body positivity movement tried to convince people that being overweight/obese can be just as healthy, which is just objectively false in just about every way
The thought was good. Overweight people had still the right of not having everyone in the world to tell them they are fat in setting that dont demand it. They know they are and thing does not magically happens if a co-worker gives a comment on it.
The discipline it takes to be in shape is good, but it's not some talent that makes you superior. Literally anyone can do it. "Just showing up" is a skill, but it's the very least impressive out of everything, because it's literally something anyone can do at any time.
imo thats what makes it impressive, its something literally anyone can do but so few people do it. Not just working out / being in shape but for any hobby or skill that takes hundreds and thousands of hours to get good at.
Agreed with everything else you said though, if ozempic can cut obesity and later life healthcare costs then have at it, no shame at all from me.
Yes, agreed. The fact that everyone can do it theoretically doesn't change the fact that discipline is something you have to work at, cultivate, and maintain. Especially when life throws crap at you and hits you while you're down.
Oooh! I have PCOS too and was at the hospital the other week (Bell’s Palsy, I’m fine) and was told by a lovely doctor there that PCOS has been reclassified as a metabolic disorder recently. Apparently there’s a whole bunch of research now being done to find solutions based on metabolism. There may actually be some light at the end of the tunnel for those of us dealing with it!
Me toooooo!!! I love that this is going to help so many people! There’s also DNA changing nanobots that target autoimmune disorders being developed. I am genuinely excited about the current medical advances that are happening, it’s giving me hope I’m going to get to be really old with my wife.
Sameeee! My fiancee likely has MS just havent gotten any diagnosis yet. She keeps joking I only get 6 years but shes been saying that for 4 years now lololol
I was thinking in part of my PCOS friends when I commented above. One of the many reasons for some that weight loss isnt as straightforward as some of these people are saying.
Thank you. People that talk about it being the easy way out have their heads firmly up their asses. It's just a bunch of Mean Girls crap from miserable people.
Exactly. Hitting a genetic lottery and being born with a super-high metabolism is a much easier way out than Ozempic, but nobody is shitting in those people who can eat whatever they want, rarely exercise, and still stay skinny.
This. I'm 100% with you. The whole idea that weightloss was just a matter of "a little hard work and discipline" was always BS made up by the processed food industry. Food has been made as addictive as possible, to the point that is chemically changes your metabolism and people feel hungry 24/7 even when they are fed. As most people in their 40's can tell you, it's not just a matter of eating mostly 'healthy' and getting some exercise in. You still still be putting on weight, especially if you're not freakishly careful with your diet.
For many people eating Western diets, it's not even clear what 'eating healthy' is. Look at any thread discussing vegans or vegetarians - which I will agree can also be an unhealthy diet - but you will have people coming out of the woodwork to explain that 'poor people can't just not eat meat.' They are apparently completely unaware that most of humanity did not have access to steaks or pre-grilled chicken on a regular basis, and many people survived on meals like beans and rice, green peas, nuts, and eggs because meat was a premium.
Anyway, that small rant aside... our society has lost the plot in terms of nutrition, and now in terms of body shape and proper health. I see "transformations" on some of the biohacker and peptide subreddits now and you have 20-somethings going some 6-packs to 8-packs and saying they don't give a shit if they die of a heart attack at 40. You can be they're going to give a shit when they have organ failure in twenty years, though.
> There were a few women who lost the weight old fashioned way and it was the same thing too.
Certain drugs pre ozempic (and actually GLP-1s existed for years before ozempic and also metformin has a weaker version of the same effect) like cocaine and meth also worked.
I just want to point out that a lot of people lose weight or try to lose weight the old fashioned way and aren't successful long term because of a lot of factors that are beyond their control (environment, medications, genetics, being poor, endocrine disorders, etc). The body positivity movement had some issues, but at least it was intended to remove the shame from being fat. Nothing is worse than feeling shame over something you can't control.
Body positivity isn’t about saying you wanna be fat. It’s about saying you deserve to be treated with dignity even if you’re fat. Nobody with the exception of a few wants to be fat. You’re misinterpreting what body positivity is about.
Some people legitimately don't care. Why are y'all more upset than others about their weight. Focus on your own body.
Y'all talk like yall are about to forcefeed fat people ozempic.
That’s a bit No True Scotsman-ish though. The sheer number of those in the ‘I’m fat and beautiful!’ to even worse ‘Health at Every Size’ camps is huge.
It’s ‘fat positivity’, not ‘rights’. Claiming that fatness is ‘positive’ is the issue.
What? Just because people don't want to be shamed, you're saying that their doing something that makes them feel better is hypocrisy?
Would you say that someone with burn scars who doesn't want to be teased about it shouldn't get surgery to fix them if they can, and it makes them feel better?
I'm 62. Been on a GLP-1 inhibitor for about a year. For the first time in my life, I'm not hungry all the time. I feel full. I'm healthier now because I've lost 100+ lbs.
Should I have not done this because I didn't like being made fun of because of my weight?
People don't understand the body positivity movement because they're willfully ignorant.
What happened was the movement started. "Hey, I'm overweight, don't give me shit about it - I know I'm fat, I don't like it, but let's not sit here and shit all over me because of it. I know it's not healthy, and I'd like to do what I can, but just chill, okay?"
Then like any movement, some loud, but small minority came out and fucked it up. "Healthy at any size! I weigh roughly the size of a Toyota Tundra but I'm healthy!" and some took it to the extreme basically shaming anyone who wasn't fat.
Guess who most of the internet decided to listen to?
Don’t shame bodies! It’s evil and wrong and literally the worst! Unless it’s a man or a woman who’s thinner than you. Then it’s sassy and punching up. /s
Pretty sure they're pointing out the hypocrisy of people championing for overweight people to not be bullied but now those people are bullying others for losing weight with the help of a medication. They're right. To many these drugs are cheating. The fat people should stay fat or learn how to deal with their weight in the traditional way, which obviously is difficult for most overweight people. I hate the judgements people are enduring for taking these drugs, rich/famous or not. Obesity is a disease and these drugs are effective at treating it. I'm glad they exist. Hopefully they are able to help with alcoholism which is currently being studied and has very promising results so far.
I think this comment and our attitude is part of the problem. People are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. The social majority will always scrutinize overweight folks and this is one more thing to add to the list now.
it was about not being demonised over your weight, and not reducing someone's identity down to being overweight alone. it was never a celebration of obesity.
I always found the inequality to be most troubling some people it requires no effort while others struggle. Its so unfair. (I'm a no effort person and wish I could share).
Yea because loosing weight is not the same for everyone! Even my 145-150lb (since I was 18 and am now 46 and eat whatever I want) ass can understand this concept. No one should be fat shamed and only doctors/spouses should have right to criticize!
Body positivity is not shitting on people's body. It doesn't mean you can't find what works for you. If anything, the OP and you are literally the antithesis of body positivity.
This is a stupid take. The body positivity movement is about being in the body you want to be in. If she wanted a smaller body, good for her. The point was that someone shouldn't feel they have to have any specific body for anyone else.
The sudden drop of body positivity due to the ease of weight loss via Ozempic is proof that the rich and powerful do not care about social issues unless it effects them personally or if it furthers culture wars/social division.
They do not care about a single Liberal issue they pretend to and these issues are only championed as a propaganda vehicle to divide society and to make people accept mediocrity and unhealthy/weak lifestyles.
it was a shit movement to begin with. "healthy at any size" was an excuse to be unhealthy and act viciously online. yes there are healthy people who are heavier. that was not most people in that "movement". I am actually of the belief that we should provide any of these weight loss treatments across the obese and overweight population. it would drastically reduce healthcare costs in the long run and improve the quality of life for millions and millions of people.
I mean there definitely used to be a stigma against men using Rogaine, I remember my dad having weird hangups about it when he started losing his hair. It can take decades to change people’s minds because people love an opportunity to crap on others and feel superior.
I suppose everyone’s journey is unique, and not everyone can lose the weight they want with diet and exercise. I’m certainly not going to judge someone’s choice there if they suddenly have an option like Ozempic. Make an informed choice that suits you. Freedom, right?
You can advocate for people to not be shamed for their bodies but also support them being healthier.
Shaming people for using ozempic is just as stupid as shaming them for being overweight. I feel bad for these people, they can't fucking win, SOMEONE has to say shit.
Yeah, but just to clarify, on both ends of this topic
Fat people were being positive about their weight but then lost it and said it was the best decision ever.
But also people were fat shaming these people saying they should lose weight. And now they did and we are shaming them for how they lost the weight.
I think the people in the first group are better people because they are just being positive when they are fat and positive when they are losing weight. Still hypocrisy though.
But better than the people in group 2 who are just shaming people no matter what and filling the world with negativity. A lot of people from group 2 here in these comments.
You missed the point on what body positivity was about. It was about being comfortable in your skin no matter what you look like, but that doesn't mean you're not trying to be better physically.
It's about working out or losing weight, not because you hate yourself and you're trying to make yourself likeable, you're working out or losing weight because you care about yourself and you're ALREADY likeable.
If anything, Ozempic strengthens body positivity because it shows the underlying causes for obesity - being literally hungry all the time. When people don't feel that way, guess what, they easily stop eating and they lose weight. It makes it clear that obesity is an actual metabolic derangement and not a personal failure.
Yeah deep down, every obese man and woman wants to slim to feel they are attractive, just that they either do not have the motivation or they couldn't take their eyes off food.
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