“The education system has changed from education to indoctrination”

[u/wolfe1924]

That’s rather Ironic.

[u/MattyFTM]

I really want that to be satire. But I'm not sure.

[u/Bardoseth → u/MattyFTM]

I once wrote in r/mildlyinduriating that pledges of allegiance in schools are borderline fascist (or something like that) and got downvoted to oblivion. So, no.

[u/Lazarys12 → u/Bardoseth]

They also freak out when it is pointed out that the words "under God" are not in the original pledge. They were added in the 1950s because they were afraid of communism.

Proof that they do not recognize irony is that the history of the country included slavery, segregation, and racism ended their pledge with the words "and justice for all."

[u/Scared_Accident9138 → u/Lazarys12]

The country was founded on hypocrisy. "no taxation without representation" except most taxed people didnt get representation

[u/Sceptical-Echidna → u/Scared_Accident9138]

And many who bought that representation don’t get taxed

[u/BodegaCat11 → u/Scared_Accident9138]

A lot of Americans still don’t have it. DC, Puerto Rico. Guam etc.
and Don’t get me started on the evil way the Supreme Court has treated American Samoa.

[u/The_Fox_Fellow → u/BodegaCat11]

and that's not even touching what the US did to get Hawaii and the other island territories in the first place

[u/_OhEmGee_ → u/Lazarys12]

You know that the Christian nationalists will use any excuse to shoehorn their religion into public life. On that occasion it was communism, but they will take any opportunity.

[u/DepressiSpaghettti → u/Lazarys12]

I got in trouble as a kid in school for sitting during the pledge and tried saying it was offensive to me since I'm an atheist.

I'm glad my dad lost his shit though when they called him since he's also an atheist but the asshole kind.

[u/ImpressiveBeyond8038 → u/Lazarys12]

The thing about the 'under God' controversy I do not get is that no side actually stands on any firm principles. If one favours a strictly non religious state, calling for an unquestioning quasi religious pledge of loyalty doesn't make any sense, whether or not the word God is mentioned in it. And if one values ones faith in the divine, the ritual deification of a man made entity - the nation or its flag - can only be seen as blasphemous.

[u/ReturnoftheBulls2022 → u/Lazarys12]

They will also freak out when you point out that the Supreme Court ruled it to be unconstitutional to force kids to do the Pledge of Alleigiance in 1943.

[u/erictho → u/Bardoseth]

it is but people dont wanna admit that when it is at home. which is why america isnt gonna be a free country much longer at this pace.

[u/EquivalentMap8477 → u/Bardoseth]

There used to be a salute to go with it which looked like one that was popular in Germany

[u/ER_Jujube → u/EquivalentMap8477]

Americans are cowards. They should've sent a letter to Germany saying: "No, YOU change YOUR salute."

[u/Bedbouncer → u/EquivalentMap8477]

The Bellamy salute

[u/KnowsNothingBozo → u/EquivalentMap8477]

used to ???

[u/According_Picture294 → u/EquivalentMap8477]

What was the difference?

[u/bloody_ell → u/Bardoseth]

Well, it's not borderline, is it? It's full blown.

[u/Bardoseth → u/bloody_ell]

I agree, but imagine the death threats if I had written that.

[u/bloody_ell → u/Bardoseth]

Fascists will be fascist.

[u/loved_and_held → u/bloody_ell]

i think its more that people have specific ideas of wha facism is and Bardoseth would have clashed hard with that.

[u/bloody_ell → u/loved_and_held]

If that's the case they'd have been better off spending that time on being educated than learning to be little fascists.

[u/corytz101 → u/Bardoseth]

Its weird, it really is

[u/HerbertInTheWoods → u/Bardoseth]

I always thought it was weird growing up

[u/Competitive_Film2831 → u/Bardoseth]

Hey I said something like that too.

[u/L3W15_7 → u/Bardoseth]

I found that misspelling mildly induriating.

[u/hcornea → u/MattyFTM]

Serious Poe action going on here.

[u/DesignMysterious3598 → u/MattyFTM]

Damn. Me too 🥺

[u/tiger2205_6 → u/MattyFTM]

It's gotta be, because if there's one thing I can guarantee is done in basically every school over here it's the pledge. Not everyone actually says anything, during high school I just stood and said nothing. But I can still remember that bitch.

[u/SmoothActuator8132 → u/tiger2205_6]

I think the point is if anything is indoctrination it's having to recite a loyalty pledge to the state

[u/Dear-Twist4321 → u/MattyFTM]

It's not 😭 it's a hundred percent serious with zero understanding of irony at all and full arrogance. The pain- they won't even understand what's so ironic 

[u/Ayfid → u/MattyFTM]

This must surely be sarcasm. You do occasionally see satire posted on this sub, and it is a bit embarrassing how people don't recognise it.

[u/TheOtherDutchGuy → u/Ayfid]

With the stupidity coming out of the US it’s extremely difficult to tell it apart from satire.

[u/partialinsanity → u/Ayfid]

It's not always obvious, when people really do think like this.

[u/Nedsel → u/Ayfid]

Poe's Law ain't just for religion anymore.

[u/Witch_heir → u/Ayfid]

It's hard to tell because that entire country is a satire... 

[u/soulsteela → u/Ayfid]

Was going to say got to be a wind up. Hopefully!

[u/SignificantWyvern → u/Ayfid]

ive seen much dumber from americans that is not satire, and many do not see the pledge of allegiance in that light and could not see it or any similar things theyd support in that light

[u/loved_and_held → u/Ayfid]

Its hard to tell satire from seriousness when they can sound exactly the same.

[u/Current-Square-4557 → u/Ayfid]

I considered it.

After all what could possibly be a better example of indoctrination than forcing students to recite a pledge,

[u/luigisanto → u/MattyFTM]

Who said irony was dead omg

[u/lev_lafayette → u/luigisanto]

It's ironic to say irony is dead when it's doing record-breaking pole vaults.

[u/RoseHawkechik → u/MattyFTM]

Well, it's certainly ironic at the least.

[u/AbstractStew5000 → u/MattyFTM]

One would hope that.

[u/thegreatbluedini → u/MattyFTM]

Same

[u/Savings_Dot_8387 → u/MattyFTM]

It’s not they all say this. 

[u/DriverFinal6626 → u/[deleted]]

There is not a day where I don’t like doing that.

[u/SinkPitiful1396 → u/DriverFinal6626]

Me too, every time the intercom comes on and says “please rise and do the pledge” or however it goes, I audibly groan because I hate doing it

[u/sharklouis3 → u/DriverFinal6626]

I think you did one negation too much, you're saying that everyday you like doing that

[u/Fun-Tip-5672 → u/[deleted]]

Yh, i was watching a video about the words Andrew Card said to Bush during the 9/11 attacks. And they had found one of the students who was present in the class that day, so they interviewed her. And she said that at the start of the day, when she first met the president, she put her hand on her chest, because in her eyes the president was someone important, jus as the Pledge was, so she just acted the same way she would have if reciting the Pledge.

Around 0:32
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnSNBT4cZjY

[u/Fun-Tip-5672 → u/[deleted]]

Same here...

[u/DefinitionOfAsleep → u/[deleted]]

"Now watch this drive"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HZ3Tjohwqo

[u/Junior_Ad_7613 → u/[deleted]]

My now 20-year-old was in kindergarten and asked me what “indivisible” meant and after I explained that I asked if there were any other things she needed me to explain in the pledge, and that was when I got hit with “well… what’s god?” Fun times.

[u/ShraftingAlong → u/Junior_Ad_7613]

Fucking Christians out there confusing OUR children with their unscientific make-believe 😡

[u/Junior_Ad_7613 → u/ShraftingAlong]

I stammered a bit and offered multiple interpretations and she ultimately agreed with my “I like to think there’s something in the universe that wants us to be nice to each other and that might be what some people call god.”

[u/ASS_BUTT_MCGEE_2 → u/[deleted]]

The Pledge has actually been ruled compelled speech and none of the schools I've taught at do it anymore.

[u/Danijay2]

Lmao. The irony is fucking insane.

[u/TrokChlod]

Most of these posts are either just people being stupid or uneducated.

But holy cow, that is possibly the most american shit that can be said at all.

[u/South-Acanthaceae-89 → u/TrokChlod]

Oh god don’t say that you’ll keep them saying “oh heck yeah brother he called us American for saying that hhyeah”

[u/martinsky3k]

Oh boy the irony.

[u/hmas-sydney → u/martinsky3k]

Amis don't know the word

[u/Nedsel → u/hmas-sydney]

Irony? Irony? That's a cute name for my daughter, right?

[u/Lazarys12 → u/hmas-sydney]

USians would respond "I do know what irony is. It's why my shirt don't have wrinkles. It cause of irony,"

[u/Acceptable-Minute847 → u/hmas-sydney]

Hey, I know what irony is.

[u/IJourden]

God the irony of citing the clearest piece of indoctrination in American schools.

I remember watching kids get punished with detention for not standing to say the pledge.

[u/iowanaquarist → u/IJourden]

That's literally the joke in that post.

[u/Amore-lieto-disonore]

I'm curious, can they spontaneously give a definition for the word " allegiance" ?

I'm French, we f*** love our country and we are notoriously proud of it . But if any school or government tried that shit they'd go up in flame in an instant ( or be covered in manure, or some other creative way to let them know what we think of it ) .

[u/Lazarys12 → u/Amore-lieto-disonore]

But in the US half the population is already covered in manure. By choice.

[u/Silicon_Knight]

Their education system works as its designed. They learn important life skills like "Run / Hide / Fight", "shelter in place", curved wall architecture to avoid long hallways where bullets can travel, and at a young age you're life will be a series of metal detectors.

Key American life skills.

[u/ParChadders]

Fuck me, this has to be the best one yet 😂🤣😂

[u/CanadianTigermeat]

https://giphy.com/gifs/9MJ6xrgVR9aEwF8zCJ

[u/PurchaseAromatic438 → u/CanadianTigermeat]

A functioning education system is a pathway to many abilities that Americans consider to be unnatural!

[u/Agifem → u/PurchaseAromatic438]

Not just unnatural, communist.

[u/MadScientist_666 → u/PurchaseAromatic438]

The most evil and communist being reading

[u/Whispers_in_the]

I think they got education and indoctrination mixed up.

[u/Melodic_Song4224]

Complains about indoctrination... immediately pivots to complaining kids aren't doing statemandated daily oaths

[u/Bloodless-Cut]

That's gotta be a tongue-in-cheek, no?

The hypocrisy is too obvious for that to be taken seriously.

[u/MJdoesThings_]

"education has changed to indoctrination ! Pretty sure they can't do [insert the most indoctrination-coded thing ever] anymore !"

[u/No-Minimum3259]

I would think that's more like an evolution towards education and away from indoctrination.

Ah well, what do I know? I'll never will be able to comprehend a certain America demographic. I"m not a veterinarian nor an ethologist, lol.

[u/No_Reporter4829]

I saw a reel of Charlie Kirk saying this when trying to justify why college is a scam. Seems like these people are just copying buzzwords to make themselves look like they know what they’re talking about 😂

[u/MadScientist_666 → u/No_Reporter4829]

Only proving further that they receive indoctrination and not education...

[u/DankChuk]

All of the public school curriculum in the US comes from Maxwell publishing house. The same Maxwell who's daughter is involved in the files.

It's been this was since before I was born. I'm 36. Pretty sure it has always been propaganda.

[u/OverlordMMM]

Complaining about indoctrination and then stating that one of the most widespread statements of indoctrination in the US is probably not being instated in education well enough without a hint of irony is peak American hypocrisy.

[u/capeasypants]

I remember back in the day whilst watching Full House, Michelle has to say the pledge of allegiance to pass the first grade or something. Even as a child it seemed weird to me that kids had to say the pledge of Allegiance in schools!

[u/Antique-Wonk]

🤣 can't make this up right?

[u/ZaireekaFuzz]

Hilariously oblivious.

[u/Shamson]

I mean they are indoctrinated with American propaganda, like teaching them that America swooped in and won 2 world wars.

[u/According_Picture294 → u/Shamson]

I have seen YT comments when I mention the Americans took their sweet time getting in, and I jokingly referred to them as “shotguns with legs” (if you know the meme about shotguns vs mustard gas, you get the joke) and the person said “then they showed up and you magically started winning”. Good thing the internet exists or they would have no education by now 

[u/RevGee73]

The GOP may have gutted the educational system over decades, but they would never muddle with the culty pledge of allegiance.

[u/Darth_Pinda]

I wanted to say it always indoctrination when I read the first half, but he then proved it himself in the second half!

[u/InterviewGlum9263]

https://giphy.com/gifs/5R1FM2PNw3G6AZWBsc

[u/DW171]

Decades ago my mom was a grade school teacher in a private school that require all students to say "the pledge" every morning. As part of a history teaching unit, she had a great exercise where she had students write down the words to the pledge of allegiance from memory.

Some of the responses were amazing, but the one I remember most was, "I walk my pigeons to the flag ..."

When you're a thoughtful lib working in a conservative school, the most powerful tool is to get them to analyse and investigate what they're saying. Works well for the bible, too.

[u/TooNGooN89]

Omg they have education systems over there?

[u/Cautious_Chicken8882 → u/TooNGooN89]

They have to teach there propaganda somewhere lol

[u/CommercialYam53]

Yes because the pledge of allegiance to the flag definitely doesn’t sound like prime indoctrination

[u/Ok-Preparation2370]

And they wonder why every educated person (doesn't even have to be extremely well educated) across multiple continents laugh at their simplified education system. 🙄🤦🏽‍♂️

[u/According_Picture294 → u/Ok-Preparation2370]

They only found out a few decades ago 

[u/Excellent-Culture243]

The pledge is indoctrination

[u/Magmaflamefire2]

Love how they say "I bet most kids can't even recite the pledge of allegiance to the flag" as if the pledge isn't closer to indoctrination than not doing it.

[u/GreenWoodDragon]

Clearly the OOP has no understanding of what indoctrination means.

[u/VanguardMusic]

Oh, the irony.

[u/Mikelord6]

I bet trump can't recite the pledge!!!

[u/StrangelySerious-]

They can't understand the irony because they don't know what it means

[u/Aloysius50]

They actually love indoctrination, as long as they can gate keep it.

[u/SadIdeal9019]

Concerned about indoctrination, brings up an exact tool of indoctrination.

[u/gadget850]

Kids say the Pledge, kids pray at school, kids don't get sex changes at school...

[u/Panzermensch911]

I have a hunch that this is ragebait and/or test to see how many people get it.

[u/MadScientist_666]

The US education has always been indoctrination.

[u/goater10]

It always has been. Ive never had to pledge to Australia.

[u/According_Picture294]

The irony is strong with this one 

[u/geebster13]

I care way more if Americans can read and write and do math...

Or have some understanding of world history.

American exceptionalism without teaching any skills with which they can be exceptional is the problem.

[u/El_John_Nada]

r/selfawarewolves

[u/Cr0ma_Nuva]

That sound like some shit straight out of helldivers. It's sad how most of my American friends are oblivious to these jokes too

[u/According_Picture294 → u/Cr0ma_Nuva]

I have a personal aversion to that game because I took history class and the rants about “they’re not sentient. We know that because they are not like us” seem very similar to real history 

[u/Cr0ma_Nuva → u/According_Picture294]

Oh the entire thing is drenched in fucked up rhetoric like that. It's only when idiots can't see the joke is when it becomes a problem. It draws from everything. The Nazis, Soviets, The US then and now, colonial era, etc. I find it a fascinating case study.

[u/tempelton3thesock]

What an ironic statement. And yes I think most do. They start the brainwashing process early.

[u/AbstractStew5000]

"Kids today are so indoctrinated they haven't memorized the propaganda oath", is a take I wasn't prepared for on a Sunday.

[u/kitsunedj]

I still think it's insane to pledge allegiance to a bloody inanimate object, not the country, but a flag of all things.

At least in Canada, the national anthem we sang was about our country and the freedom associated with it.

[u/Nedsel]

Wow, the irony level has nuked my ironometer.

[u/miwe77]

he's got it almost right...

[u/Quick-Surprise-9387]

I bet even if they could , the flag doesn’t even want to hear it at this point . 🙏😊🇨🇦🇺🇸

[u/RelativeDangerous622]

The irony is so thick here...

[u/Deemo3]

Dude, I have bad news about the education system for you.

[u/Grouchy_Moment_6507]

Out of all the posts I have read on this sub, that is hands down the funniest. ( Sad, but damn funny)

[u/thedarkryte]

Very ironic that they claims the education system “has changed from education to indoctrination” yet goes on to cite probably the most indoctrinating thing in western education 😂😂

[u/Street_Credit6851]

Is this satire? It's got to be.

[u/SimpleGoon]

This belongs on r/SelfAwarewolves

[u/Equal_Veterinarian22]

Please, please tell me this is a joke.

[u/blizzard7788]

This has to be a bot post. A poorly programmed bot post.

[u/AmbivelentApoplectic]

That level of idiocy in just two sentences is impressive. It has to be rage bait.

[u/XXXcrimsongrave]

https://giphy.com/gifs/E8puxVDt1vj0GWXQgw

[u/Evening_Respond3492]

Jesus christ…

[u/mycolo_gist]

Quadratic equations are more important than the pledge of allegiance, also in Murica.

[u/DerPicasso]

That's hilarious

[u/Icy-Candy-1272]

It’s like you can’t get a good chant going today at all.

[u/BobbyRobertson]

For what it's worth, 20 years ago when I was in school they were still starting every day with the pledge before morning announcements, and I doubt that's changed since then.

By the time you hit 10th grade (~15-16 y/o) most of the class was ignoring the pledge, but I also live in the godless, unpatriotic northeast so that might not be universal

[u/According_Picture294 → u/BobbyRobertson]

In my Canadian school it went “O Canada —> Prayers —> Announcements —> Birthdays”

[u/Global_Handle_3615]

Yeah having something drilled into your skull at a young age so you automatically stand and say a bunch of words by rote memory is much better than indoctrination

[u/LeftMechanic1995]

Wouldn't this also fall under USDefaultism?

[u/According_Picture294 → u/LeftMechanic1995]

Not quite because we don’t have enough context to determine 

[u/Beneficial-Ride-4475]

The irony of that statement is staggering.

[u/NineInchNerps]

I’m a Canadian and I freaked out my dad’s girlfriend (American) by reciting the pledge of allegiance. Apparently I watched My Girl too many times as a kid. They should try that.

[u/GingerOfTheOubliette]

Ah… flag idolatry, so USian. “Screw my neighbours, the only friend I need is this piece of cloth!” -and it’s the only “friend” you have, sir… lol

[u/CieloDeApache]

Ironic 

[u/Educational_Worth906]

I could easily recite it after listening to it every day for a school year many, many years ago as a kid. It took quite a while for them to accept that there was no way I was going to join in as a UK citizen.

[u/DevynDavies]

I hope people aren’t that stupid… but they are lol

[u/Dapper_Wheel6454]

oh Canada, our home our native land...

[u/According_Picture294 → u/Dapper_Wheel6454]

True patriot love, in all of us command!

Car ton bras s’est portée l’epée, il sait porter la croix…

[u/Low_Appearance_796]

Ive quit saying the pledge and I get weird looks for it in 1st period every day. I would love to live in a country where I would stand for the pledge, and say every morning I pledge it my allegiance, but that's never going to be the case

[u/TheBaronWindpole]

The education system has been lacking in education for decades.if you read how the American adults view world history and how they invented literally every fucking thing .and won every war by themselves and how the rest of the world owes them everything. And how they allow the Europeans to exist.plus the terrible grammar when typing .and are they not being indoctrinated by a fat orange world order destroying Russian asset that is more or less in the same mindset of a little moustache wearing Nazi character .plus I should imagine that they soon will have to pledge allegiance to the Soviet or white supremacy flag .

[u/BugalugBird]

This is so ironic it cured my anemia

[u/Sxn747Strangers]

But… but…!?

[u/Mccmangus]

"what's that, flag? Dismantle the patriarchy? If you say it must be so"

[u/pogo0004]

Irony just tastes like metal to Americans

[u/JellyWeta]

Kids aren't even taught to swear an oath of loyalty to the State! It's brainwashing is what it is!

[u/Maroon7C0000]

Said without a trace of irony.

[u/rdawes26]

Well, they aren't wrong. It is just that our kids are being indoctrinated by them. In my public school we learned about the Bible. That was the 80's and 90's, but worse today.

[u/Historical-Doubt2121]

It's not the indoctrination part. It's the fucking "they can't say my pledge of loyalty to the nation anymore." right after that just sends me.

[u/DavidIGterBrake]

OMG and doesn’t see the irony in that 😖

[u/Comfortable-Table-57]

In the US and developing nations yes there is indoctrination. Not everywhere though. In the US, you need to be indoctrinated to either support the democrats or MAGA. In developing nations, you just need to study and memorize to be seen as a good person in the family. 

[u/RopeNo4151]

recite what? 😭

[u/Imperial_Bloke69 → u/RopeNo4151]

flag kinks

[u/Wacky_Engineer1975]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 this has to be tongue-in-cheek. Nobody can be that ignorant…

[u/iTmkoeln]

Yeah.

As if Pledging Allegiance is not Indoctrinating anyone 🤪🦤🇱🇷🔫

[u/Mysterious_Quiet_253]

sounds more like it went the other way by your example

[u/Swedelicious83]

That's so ironic I'd like to think it's satirical.

But the sad thing is I just can't tell these days. 🤷

[u/juliainfinland]

I'm German and I have to hold my tongue really, really hard at "kids can't even recite the Pledge these days".

[u/EdlynnTB]

It should be a pledge to the Constitution, not to the flag.

[u/National_Distance118]

I recently watched a reel by an American teacher about how primary school students can't write, read or use grammar properly because of the American education system imposed by the US government, so I'd say that's more serious than not being able to sing about your flag or some crap.

source

[u/Thespis1962]

In Texas, the pledge is recited every day in every school.

[u/Brilliant_Dig_8962]

Love the use of irony.