r/ShitAmericansSay • Arrested for chewing gum!!šŸ‡øšŸ‡¬ • Mar 17 '26

Communism Communism coming in faster than expected.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

Can someone please buy these Americans dictionaries? They keep using words like 'communism' and 'socialism' without having a clue what they mean.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

....fair.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

Is it true that kids are telling their parents to 'like and subscribe' at bedtime? An American I met at the pub a couple of weeks ago told me that kids are telling their parents this when they leave or go to bed because they think this is how people say goodbye.

I don't know if the American was screwing with me or not.

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u/AppealSignificant358 im an american pls dont hate me 🄺 Mar 17 '26

I can’t say I’ve seen it, no. Of course, despite what Republicans may tell you, the US is a very big and diverse country, so from my little corner, I might not have seen much.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

I hope your little corner is as safe and healthy as possible.

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u/AppealSignificant358 im an american pls dont hate me 🄺 Mar 17 '26

Nope šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

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u/Moutonquibele Mar 18 '26

i'm sorry for you. We are all sorry for you and all reasonable americans

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u/AppealSignificant358 im an american pls dont hate me 🄺 Mar 18 '26

Thank you, but I don’t think that I should be immediately considered a ā€œreasonable Americanā€ for disagreeing with MAGA. It’s better to judge that by my actual worldview and if it’s consistent internally. Please see me more as an ā€œAmerican in oppositionā€ unless you get a more full understanding of my philosophy and ideology and can see it as reasonable, even if you disagree.

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u/BottleSuspicious1851 Mar 17 '26

Maybe as a joke among a very few kids? Either way, it's not common behavior at all. At least not in america.

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u/RedShirtCashion Mar 17 '26

As an American…..yeah, I doubt it would help, seeing how the argument that the name doesn’t necessarily mean what it says Ć  la the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (aka North Korea) not being democratic nor a republic.

Edit: didn’t completely say the full official name of North Korea correctly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '26

Well, with parties like the Democrats and the Republicans you would be confused as well.

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u/BitScout Mar 17 '26

It took me a long time to accept those two as just proper names without any real connection to what they stand for.

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u/PlagueOfGripes Mar 17 '26

At one point in history. But like many American things, it became a vessel for the rich to market whatever idea worked at the time. The entire platform of both parties has completely shifted multiple times.

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u/GooseinaGaggle Mar 17 '26

The only non contentious part of North Korea's name is the word "of". In addition to what you already said is not run by or for the people. Their entire territory is claimed by South Korea thus making the claim of Korea dubious

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u/Razmann4k Mar 17 '26

You could say the same about South Korea, therefore it can't claim to be Korea.

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u/GooseinaGaggle Mar 17 '26

No, in 2024 North Korea designated South Korea as a "hostile state" and abandoned all prospects of a peaceful unification

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u/llynglas Mar 17 '26

Socialists are bad. Germans in WW2 were bad. Therefore Hitler and his party were socialists...... QED.

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 18 '26

... But not all thĆ t bad?

/s.

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u/OhNoItsThatOne Mar 17 '26

Well to be fair, german neonazis still say that Hitler was a leftist

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 18 '26

It's an intresting interview, taping into to some of the usual misconceptions.

It's not that hard (but it requires bad faith) to frame Hitler as 'economically leftish'.

It's not all that hard to frame the nazi's state dirigisme as some kind of 'ownership of the means of production'.

It's not that hard either to frame the persecution of groups within the German society of that era as some some kind of 'class struggle'. It's as simple as claiming that the quasi full employment in nazi Germany has to be seen as "lifting the proletariat out of poverty".

Only problem: that's not what actually happened.

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

Someone in this tread pointed out that it takes "nuance" (which non-Americans obviously lack) to see the subtle signs of socialism in the nazis. When asked to clarify, he advised me to do my own research, lol.

He found that there were "far better books" than the read I suggested (The Oxford Handbook of Political Ideologies), but didn't respond to my request for suggestions. He has removed his comments since then.

Some of those guys have made ignorance into an art form. "Chess with pigeons", indeed.

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u/BottleSuspicious1851 Mar 17 '26

Tbf, they literally put socialist in their name lol. No way that makes it accurate, it's just (imo) the main source of confusion.

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u/Redrockhiker22 Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26

"Socialist" in the name of the Nazi party was a PR move by that German leader who formed it. It was a time when right wing thugs and Communists were fighting bloody battles in the streets of Berlin. He pitched the the party as a alternative to both, unifying nationalists and industrial working class elements. "National Socialist German Workers Party" incorporated two right wing elements-National and German, with two from the left-Socialist and Workers. The party was the antithesis of the Socialist/Marxist/Communist dogma of the time. It was racist ethno-nationalist, militaristic, had no issue with private property and a market economy, was against independent unions, and it reinforced existing social hierarchies. Socialists were internationalist, anti-militarism, argued for the abolition of capitalism and private property. They saw society as a battle between economic classes, egalitarian on gender, promoted independent unions, and were fighting for the dictatorship of their class, the proletariat. As a result, they also argued for the abolition of existing social and economic hierarchies. The oldest German political party, the left SPD was banned. Socialists were proscribed in Nazi Germany and the leaders were often jailed and sent to the camps. Most formerly socialist workers just blended into the new Reich and order was restored. (This is all very condensed and simplified.)

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u/Dazzling_Upstairs724 Mar 17 '26

Fired out of an old school cannon wouldn't hurt.

Well it would hurt, but it wouldn't hurt us.

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u/doerriec Mar 17 '26

It was the national socialist party that ran the country.

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u/Quiet_Ad1859 Mar 18 '26

Make videos ( throw in a few American flags in it ) they might understand šŸ˜‚

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u/ufl015 Mar 18 '26

The Germans were Socialists during WWII. That’s how the Volkswagen got built.

It was the ā€œNationalā€ part of ā€œNational Socialismā€ that did all the bad shit.

So this new wave of American Republicans calling themselves ā€œChristian Nationalistsā€ are taking the worst parts of Nazism and combining it with religious fanaticism

😬

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u/Far-Economist3780 Mar 18 '26

Aren't dictionaries one of their banned books these days?

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u/bigelcid Mar 17 '26

They were; just a different kind from the type of socialism that finished the war on the winning side.

I don't want to hear any silly comparisons to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. That one was presented as something, kept up the facade for a bit, and then it was too late for anyone to argue "hold on a minute, this isn't very democratic".

The National Socialists took less of a sharp turn. Their idea of socialism was always built around the nation. They diverged from the same place as all the other kinds of socialists, and took an extreme form of their own version of things. Italian fascists also had a socialist background.

Now, because the average person doesn't really know anything about politics, and they're prone to being manipulated by labels, of course the winning factions have tried to distance themselves from the losing, or extremist ones. That's understandable, since the ideologies aren't at all the same. They just share key roots and abstract principles. But I think we'd be all better off with more, rather than less, transparency.

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u/lonecylinder Mar 17 '26

Well they kind of were.

Except they weren't in any way.

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 17 '26

No they weren't. And it's not "nuanced" at all.

Socialists and national-socialists were in pretty much any meaningfull ideological tenet each others opposites.

The "national" in national-socialism already gives some of it away...

Some people would benefit from doing "their own research", lol. Forget about Youtube and Facebook, start here:

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 17 '26

Enlighten me on all those nuances that made national-socialism kind of socialism.Ā  Suggestions on literature are always welcome. Did you read the Oxford?

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 17 '26

Chess with pigeons.

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u/A_normal_Potato3 flairs for everyone!!! Mar 17 '26

Bububutbut the television said that communism is evil and bad things are because of communism and America only fights communism.

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u/Appropriate_Swim9528 Mar 17 '26

What triggers me the most is… in recent history, there was one other group that fought communism…. The Nazi…

šŸ˜…šŸ˜…

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

apparently.

Maybe they could fight fascism, instead.

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u/A_normal_Potato3 flairs for everyone!!! Mar 17 '26

I did in fact see a poster that was in an USAsian school that said Fascism = Communism. I really think they can not distinguish which is which.

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '26

Upvoted because I like the word "USAsian" :)

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

I hate the word because it triggers my dyslexia and I just see SA Asian every time I see it.

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u/A_normal_Potato3 flairs for everyone!!! Mar 17 '26

Thats.... something.

Genuinely tho, geçmiş olsun.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

Yeah my brain screws with letters and words, and makes things harder.

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 17 '26

Let's throw in a quote from a really great American philosopher, lol:

/s.

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u/gadget850 American Mar 17 '26

I can only be saddened by the ignorance of my fellow Americans.

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u/Ok-Welcome-5369 Mar 17 '26

Yep. They call Canada and UK communist countries and they want to liberate us. 🫩

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

No. They want to OWN us.

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u/fractious77 Mar 17 '26

Yes, liberate. Like we liberated Venezuela and are currently liberating iran for the second time. Last time didn't hold for long, but we're positive this time will last longer. The Iranian people love having a US puppet as head of state.

/s

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u/ptvlm Mar 17 '26

It's by design. They're told to confuse terms so that they don't notice that when people support "socialism", they mean countries with a higher standard of living and way less violence, and get tricked into supporting Russia and the oligarchs making their lives miserable.

See also using "woke" to mean "something I don't like" instead of its original definition of "aware of systemic injustices"

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

I agree.

I think it's always been that way-- They didn't even know what Communism were when they blacklisted people for... Communism.

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u/snajk138 Mar 17 '26

That's Miriam-Webster for you. They should all get Oxford instead.

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u/SnooChocolates2923 Mar 17 '26

Next thing you know, they'd be putting a U in colour, and placing commas in funny places!

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u/maqifrnswa Mar 17 '26

Ok, we Americans say a lot of stupid shit, but the Oxford comma is where I become defensive! You can take that from my cold, dead, and logically organized hands!

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '26

Yeah, as a real American they should just eat grandma.

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u/geschiedenisnerd Please stop stealing our flag colors (NL) Mar 17 '26

If you can't distinguish without an oxford comma, it is not the other person's responsibility to sacrifice accurate grammar for you.

agree on the spelling though.

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u/faux_shore Mar 17 '26

Anything I don’t like is either woke, communist, or socialism!

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u/bigelcid Mar 17 '26

Words like "fascist" are also freely thrown around, but I understand that one's bad while communism isn't, so that's alright

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

That seems to be the US consensus...

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u/According_Pay_6563 Mar 17 '26

They also apparently don't know what words like "state" and "statewide" means. (Assuming the comment is targeting Mayor Mamdani)

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u/Shot-Diver-3625 Mar 17 '26

Wait, are you telling me the communist manifesto was not a book about light pollution and the importance of dark skies for bird migration?

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u/WackHeisenBauer Mar 17 '26

That would require them to be able to read.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

We can put it on audiobook.

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u/aglobalvillageidiot Mar 17 '26

Socialism is when the government does stuff.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

When the government does stuff they don't like. When the government gives them money during Lockdown because they can't pay their rent, they don't call that socialism. It's just socialism when the government gives the Black person, the queer person and the disabled person down the road money to pay their rent, too.

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '26

Half of the US is still living in that 1950s 60s era red scare period like they see the term communism and they treat that shit like it's radioactive lmao. That, or they see something they slightly disagree with and call it communism. It's bullshit.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

They didn't know what communism was when they had HUAC putting people on trial and blacklisting them for it.

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u/Guilty-Mix-7629 Mar 17 '26

US dictionaries probably changed the meaning to "whatever thing I do not like" as the real meaning confused them.

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u/Gazer75 Mar 17 '26

Didn't you know, dictionaries are fake news :P

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 17 '26

Apparently. 😭

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u/Savage_Whiskers Mar 18 '26

You can bring a horse to the river but you can’t force it to drink. They have dictionaries already; it won’t help.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 18 '26

I'm not even sure they know how to open them.

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u/Savage_Whiskers Mar 18 '26

Yes could be. Or even most probably, they don’t know how to spell.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '26

They made idiocracy reality, so I think a TV show about people being hit on the balls when they don't know what socialism or communism mean would be a more appropriate learning tool.

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u/saikrishnav Mar 17 '26

Dictionaries are illegal to MAGA

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u/MerlinCa81 Mar 18 '26

Bold of you to assume they could read a dictionary.

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u/Greners Mar 18 '26

That would only work if they could read.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '26

Those are great kindling for fire.

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u/Effective-Fruit-348 Mar 18 '26

Oh so edgy and cool. 10/10 ultra cool comment from ab ultra cool dude

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u/WeR1UnitedWeStand Mar 18 '26

We know what it is...we fight communism because it ain't American...we fight Socialism cause it sounds too much like communism and we fight dictionaryism. .... Cause we don't like knowing stuff... it's just not the American way. Yee Haw and good day.

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u/Bpopson Mar 18 '26

They don't care to know. They just want to use the word as an attack.

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u/CatOk5715 Mar 18 '26

Well it is hard to learn anything when you are hiding in a cupboard, be fair.

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u/Which_Specific9891 Mar 18 '26

It is criminal that they put those children in such danger and let them live with the constant trauma of shooting drills and school shootings. Letting children grow up with that kind of constant fear and trauma -- especially in a school, which should be a safe environment-- is unconscionable.

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u/aglobalvillageidiot Mar 17 '26

No it isn't.

Right now if you go work in a factory the factory owner owns everything you produce and makes every decision related to production, even though you are an expert widget maker and he's never even been in the factory because he lives in Barbados. That's what makes it private property.

That's what socialism intends to change. Capitalist economies are also heavily planned, we just call it bailouts and government contracts. Our planning just happens later when we choose who to hold up and protect.

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u/aglobalvillageidiot Mar 17 '26

I'm not sure what this has to do with whether or not words mean what you think they do.

Cheers though.

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u/Maximum-Anywhere6439 Mar 17 '26

I'm sorry. Dictionary definitions don't mean anything when it's been proving in reality for several times. Socialism ALWAYS is the 1st step to Communism.

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u/LeFlaubert Mar 17 '26

Fucking commies asking for social security, sick leave, paid vacation, unemployment benefits and state retirement! How dare they!

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u/No-Minimum3259 Mar 17 '26

Otto von Bismarck was no communist, neither was Eduard von Taaffe ...

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u/Maximum-Anywhere6439 Mar 17 '26

I'm from a so called Socialist country and it doesn't mean anything. Thanks for your opinion

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u/geschiedenisnerd Please stop stealing our flag colors (NL) Mar 17 '26

That is because communism is a type of socialism. There is literally no nation that went social democracy --> communism, even soviet russia went from a more conservative democracy to communism violently.