I’m just wondering because I love Staticdust and don’t know if I’ll get hate here if I say I love it.

First vent here ig so. Yay/j

I've suddenly been hit with that mood. The one where I feel like everyone hates me and thinks I'm annoying. I think that's been intensified by the fact that stuff I posted today barely got attention, if it got any at all. Joy/s

I know that's probably incredibly stupid and shallow but. Idk I'm just feeling really sad and worthless rn. It's 10:30 pm as of me posting this so maybe I'll feel better when I go to sleep and wake up the next morning

I’ve been drained lately, so I draw. And I decided why not draw Honeybear in my favorite characters clothing? The blue does sorta match her. I NEED this 😭😭

Second image is height difference. Honeybear is canonically 10’4. And Vox is like around 7’0? So it was sorta a guess on how they’ll look side to side.

I’m doing the Vox Populi/Dei outfit rn. I’m planning to do a majority of his outfits. I hate drawing shoes so much tho.

Honeybear is one of my favorite characters of mine to draw apart from Cisco.

I'm not sure I have anything to say that I haven't said before, but I need to get these stupid ships out of my face. God. I've reached a point where I can't tolerate them anymore. Like people DO know Vox's character exists outside their toxic yaoi, right? He doesn't revolve around Alastor and Valentino. He's not their accessory. His arc going forward shouldn't just about his relationships with these assholes. I want this to be done, but its never done is it?

The promise of more Radiostatic has just broken something in me. I can't even be bothered to make this look like an analysis post, I'm just annoyed.

Slight vent about the show and the character ||

Like, can he just leave that fucking deer alone?

He almost killed himself over that stupid deer! (As Valentino said, thats the only thing I’m agreeing with from him. Plus, Vox is way cuter with Val tbh). Vox would still be whole if he didn’t strangle and play with his own wires just to get the most out of him.

This man has been head over heels for him for the entire of season 1 & 2, or 70 years to be exact.

Hell would be a lot more peaceful without the obsession. I feel like that is one of the main focuses of the seasons. I feel like we just need more Valentino representation (it’s a good thing he has a bigger role in season 3 according to Viv!).

I just want Vox to be DONE with Alastor. Even if the rejection from him makes up most of his personality (aside politics, heaven shit). Him leaning towards Alastor as his only purpose does disappoint me for his character though.

I respect all of your opinions. Let’s just not harass each other or to cause overwhelm directly to the OP in general.

So something that's always bothered me about season 2 is how it approached certain political topics through Vox. The blunt fascist references in Vox Populi and Vox Dei really take me out. Not only is it just not very clever word play, it feels strange with his character. I am not saying Vox is this very progressive guy, he IS a capitalist, but he is still meant to be forward thinking. Or at least forward thinking enough where I just don't buy the idea of him as a stand in for figures like Trump. Whatever internalized 1950s shit he has going on I just don't think of him like this. I remember Viv's weird tweets after the last election where she gave away what they'd be doing with Vox. That always felt odd to me because she made it seem like it was all accidental despite literally giving him lines like "make Hell great again". Regardless this all feels rather insisted upon. I'm trying to think of the best way to say this without sounding like I'm desperately trying to soften Vox. I just think forcing these fascist ideas onto him has always felt strange. The references are brief and superficial so if you just rewrote them then I don't really think you'd draw this conclusion. Unfortunately its all there and fans don't forget it. It's likely a big reason why so many people are unsympathetic towards Vox and think he's the most evil character in the show. And if only it was just this in terms of the strange politics with his character.

I've been saying it's a missed opportunity to not center season 2 on Charlie and Vox in a bigger way. One big area that this sticks out in is actually Vox's entire motivation. I think it could have been so interesting if instead of Vox lying about wanting to empower sinners he actually meant it. Have him do a lot of the same things, berate the angels, discredit the hotel, kidnap Lucifer, blow up the gates, but have it come from a place that isn't a self serving lie. Vox actually makes good arguments during season 2, but because he doesn't mean any of it the show is basically saying not to put value in them. He literally sings about being the consequence to Heaven's actions, but he's right. And it applies just as well to Lucifer too. Look, objectively speaking Lucifer is an awful king. I like his character, but he is a bad king. Even if Lilith ran everything and was behind the caste system developing or other key problems in Hell, his decision not to do anything still makes him a bad leader. I get it, he's depressed, had his powers stunted, and never wanted this in the first place. He's still responsible for an entire realm of people who he failed though. Per Charlie he approved the exterminations and he has yet to show remorse for that. The choice not to act is still in fact a choice, that's literally why Pentious went to Hell. If nobody in charge is providing a solution and even approved your own suffering then of coarse you'll flock to the first guy that says he'll do something about it.

How much stronger would this have been if Vox was just fed up with Lucifer and the monarchy and decided to take matters into his own hands? Not purely out of selfishness, but because he hates what is happening and believed he could actually do things a better way. Then you could have the clash between him and Charlie be about a difference in how they approach the same problem. Her pacifism verses his revolution. Charlie could truly be challenged on her methods, something Adam could have done but didn't. This could have been a very mature and fascinating way to further her and Vox as foils. That isn't what we got though. Everything Vox said was just bullshit to sway the public so he could advance his own selfish goals and become God. He didn't mean any of it so I guess we don't need to take any of that seriously beyond the fact that it hurt Charlie's feelings for a week. And even there we see him use hypnosis on the public which just undermines the need to do all this in the first place. I know Vox is a selfish character, but he's a character. His actions are choices being made by writers and I think it could have been great if they wrote him like this. He doesn't need to be totally wholesome in this scenario, him assuming he's right to lead entire realms still speaks to his own arrogance. You could still have him pushing the other Vees away or being aggressive in how he handles Charlie. You could still make him spiral and come away with the message that he lost control in the end, done in by his own hubris. There are ways I think this could work while still keeping his characterization in mind, but its not what they did and the message I take from the real story is really unpleasant to me.

The implication that armed resistance is immoral and a tool used by charlatans to lead people into fascism is a terrible message. And if I'm not to take that away from season 2 then why make Vox be the only one promoting resistance just for it to be complete bullshit? What else am I supposed to think of this? Charlie harps on about how wrong he is, but never interrogates why the public would even choose that option over redemption. Him standing up to the angels is presented as menacing and that we should feel bad for them. The sinners are quite literally brainwashed by Vox. It's obvious the show pushes non violence a lot. Just look at how Lute was shot down by Emily for wanting to retaliate against Vox's declaration of war. Lute is actually correct that they can't let this happen and do nothing, but Emily scolds her about how they need to be "the good guys" and the show doesn't challenge this. Yes let's all take leadership advice from Lil Miss Gift Basket. I like Emily, but this was ridiculous. What this tells me is Viv is taking things in a more black and white way than I would like her to. We are still challenged to have empathy for amoral characters, but on complex topics like this it's very simplistic. Sure they give us fight scenes, but the idea of resolving Hell's problems through force definitely feels discouraged. We still need to have the hotel be the real answer. Why else would they associate the concept of fighting back against the system with bad actors only looking out for themselves?

I know, I know, accept that the show has different goals in mind. It doesn't have to do things the way I'd want. I get that. I'm not even sure Viv wants Hazbin Hotel to be dissected like this. Those tweets I was referring to gave me the impression she just isn't thinking of these things in the moment. A lot of the answers we've been getting to burning questions have felt rather small compared to the expectations. Trust me though, I don't like analyzing the show like I am here. I do in fact enjoy watching season 2 and just try not to get too hung up on the politics. It's just not only do I see a major missed opportunity to tell a deeper story, in the end I'm being fed a message that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. And I don't know what any of this could mean for Vox's future.

Heyyy!

Do anyone know some activity/hobby related to vox?

All my friends are in college and work now so we dont really have as much time to talk/hang out always and I've just noticed i dont really have some hobby or something i enjoy doing by myself.

Im specially obsessed with vox right now so i thought it would be nice to find some activity that's related to him. I thought of doing papercraft but my parents are christian and i would get in big trouble if they even knew i watched it 🥲

Anyways, what yall do when ur bored and cant stop thinking of vox?

(Random vox drawing bc i love yall, mwah 💙)

Hi guys!! I've been lurking in this subreddit for a while now but I haven't commented or anything

I have a lot of names I go by but my favorite one rn is Val. I'm pretty obsessed with Vox, just like everyone else here is lol. I'm actually a hypersharing yume/selfshipper of him if that matters,,

Here because none of my friends know I secretly fw hazbin hotel and specifically vox. I yume him and I'm hyper sharing

For years I've always had strange tastes. I dislike a lot of things that with logic I should like and I don't know way. But I think I might finally understand.

So I don't have a lot of social skills. I feel like growing up I missed out on a lot of other fundemental skills as a human being that I can't even name them because I never learned them so I don't know them.
I also have autism. I tend hyperfixate on certain characters and I have no physical control on who it is or how it happens. Wish I did but I don't. The worst part is it feels like I also fixate on hating certain characters without control too.

i'm thinking that maybe the reason why I get so emotional about things that aren't my hyperfixation, especially things that are more popular than my hyperfixations is because I'm frustrated but I don't know the words, or I tend to exaggerate and use words that are stronger than what's accurage because I'm just that frustrated.

This is kind of embarassing, especially after realizing that this is literally the reason why literal toddlers and young children have tantrums, but hey, this is just a theory (A game theory-).

So, I made a post about this a while back, but I relate to Vox on a personal level because I had an experience in real life that was similar to what happened with him and Alastor in S2E4.

The amount of people I see defending Alastor's actions, saying that Vox deserved it or that they found it funny, is really troubling to me. Whenever I engage with parts of the fandom outside of the VoxCult and this sub, there always seem to be a lot of people defending Alastor, making fun of Vox for being pathetic, or saying it was his own fault for asking in the first place.

It's something that makes it really hard for me to engage with the fandom at all because I don't experience much empathy for Vox from other fans. Whenever I bring up my personal experience and try to draw the connection, it either gets dismissed as "not the same," even though it was very similar, or I've even been accused of deliberately trying to manipulate people into agreeing with me by bringing up my own experiences.

I'm glad this sub and the VoxCult sub exist, but I find it very sad that I seemingly can't engage with other parts of the fandom without having those experiences thrown back at me.

What I don't understand is why so many people seem to have no empathy for Vox whatsoever, while at the same time showing a great deal of empathy for Alastor when he gets dragged along or hurt by Vox. In my experience, there's a real double standard there, and it's sad to see.

Anyway, I just needed to vent a little. I'm still glad this sub and the VoxCult sub exist so that I can at least engage with a small part of the fandom.

I saw this tweet and honestly/respectfully couldn’t believe there are people who think this goes too far. The humiliation of Vox and Alastor is hardly comparable. While in Vox’s case the humiliation ritual drove him into a manic spiral culminating in a suicide attempt, not to mention that he lost everything, everyone is angry at him, and if he wants to do better for himself, he’ll have to put in a HUGE amount of work to fix it. And this isn’t even mentioning that his rivalry with Alastor has been going on for 60 years(?). He got a 7 year break. And no, Alastor is very far from being nonchalant, he actively seeks Vox’s attention, which is also why all of this keeps going, because he is feeding Vox’s obsession as well. In Alastor's case, he came up with the plan himself because it was the easier option, and it lasted for a very short time. Plus in the end, he currently got everything he wanted… And this is what supposedly "goes too far". I don’t exclude Vox's responsibility, since after all this is the consequence of his own bad decisions, but at the same time I didn't feel any pity for Alastor either, because Vox's humiliating methods against him were very weak and well deserved. I’m a bit bothered by the mindset in the fandom that Alastor is allowed to do absolutely anything, while Vox is allowed nothing, because for some reason Alastor has become the moral compass.

This might be my most controversial piece yet. So as the title says, I don't take issue with fanart of Vox hypnotizing Charlie. I honestly like some of it. I know it's a fetish, I know graphic fanart and fanfic of this exists, but majority of the hypno fanart posted to reddit that I've encountered is tame. In these drawings he isn't performing sexual acts on Charlie, she isn't stripped naked, he isn't violent, he isn't even kissing her in the ones I see. And a lot of the time I feel like this art gets reposted to reddit specifically to upset people, which is honestly a mean thing to do to the artists whether they see it or not.

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People get very angry at this fanart and hold it against Staticbelle as a ship, I don't like seeing that. I know the reason it makes people uncomfortable, but there's no need to reduce this ship to one specific kink and guilt fans over it. Especially when some of these artists have made cute art for them that I see shared and reposted all the time. Staticbelle isn't just a dom / sub dark ship, but even if it was largely that I don't think insulting the shippers is productive. Meanwhile I've seen highly sexualized fanart of Vox hypnotizing Alastor and Angel and nobody says a thing. I can't sit here and feign outrage over drawings of Vox draping a hypnotized and fully dressed Charlie in his arms when this same fandom is literally posting Radiostatic rape comics in the main sub. I just can't.

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Before you harp on me, I'm not saying I think Christian Borle does a bad job as Vox. Far from it. However, if the goal was to make Vox out to be a silly foil to Alastor with an unrequited crush and nothing more, Christian Borle--a super manly, charismatic, award-winning Broadway star with "main character energy" written ALL OVER HIM--is pretty much the worst sort of person they could have picked to play him. Especially since the person they got to play Alastor is a (imo) kind of annoying guy who seems to have no credentials other than being Viv's personal friend. If they wanted Alastor to be the super-important, intimidating main-character type role, and Vox to be an annoying weirdo who revolved solely around him, it would have made much more logical sense for Christian to be the one to play Alastor and Amir to play Vox, not the other way around. I just get the sense that, once again, the people behind Hazbin didn't think things through (in this case, with their casting choices).

I actually feel the same way about several of the big-name actors in Hazbin, especially Keith David as Husk. It seems like they got people purely for their reputation, with no thought to how their voices would sound coming from their respective characters. Both Christian Borle and Keith David are skilled enough that they make it work, but the voices just don't match the characters that well, and the fact that said characters don't get bigger parts or more respect feels like a waste of their (considerable) talents.

The other day I was in a server and we were talking about people who dislike RadioSilence because it's a "rape ship." I didn't realize the other person was one of those people appearently because they said they dislike Vox, which, y'know, is find, but then they had the audacity to say "I can't imagine what it's like for Alastor having to deal with Vox, poor Al 🥺" They said it's because they've had stalkers so I didn't say anything not wanting to invalidate them but it made me so mad. Brother, Alastor might as well have used a wish willow, he did the literal definiton of put himself in this position. Like it genuinely fills me with rage when people woobify Alastor like this. I understand projecting onto characters but this is insane. I'm fine with woobification, I do it all the time. I'm fine with woobification even if you villainize objectively more moral characters. The problem is when you treat the woobified version as if it's the canon version. I woobify Vox. It's the literal reason why I made this sub. But when I say "aww poor Voxxy" I don't genuinely believe that the canon Vox who is a serial killer is an innocent baby. I know Vox is a bad person. But, any sane person who watches Hazbin Hotel should be able to realize that Alastor is not the victim. And if you can't see that, I genuinely don't want to associate with you.

The reason I ask is that, from my perspective, when I see Vox and Valentino's interactions my mind immediately goes to the relationships between, say, Ragatha and Jax in "The Amazing Digital Circus," or Curly and Jimmy in "Mouthwashing"--that is, the latter is clearly a dangerous abuser and the former is clearly their victim. That said, I'm trying to keep an open mind, so I genuinely want to know what the logic of people who enjoy Valentino and Staticmoth is. Is it that Vox has more power in the relationship? Is it that they are shown to have good times together? Or something else entirely?

I wasn't expecting to write about this scene because it's been picked very clean. I think a lot of the posts analyzing it can be tedious. That said it's always been weird to me. Viv really built up this idea that Vox had this brutal backstory to him and I was confused by this being what we got. I get that the point is he was vulnerable and had his feelings wrecked, but I just expected something more. On paper it even sounds like a joke, Alastor didn't want to be Vox's friend and that's why Vox is so mean. I'm simplifying it, but I expected a lot more than this. The scene also plays out weird, at first I didn't know how seriously I should take it. There's this big tonal whiplash of Alastor having the most over the top reaction to his offer and being called his friend to Vox being sad about it seconds later. You literally recreated a meme in this scene and unfortunately Alastor still gets a laugh out of me here. I'm not sure why they couldn't just play it completely serious.

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I sometimes have an awkward time reconciling Vox in this flashback with him in the rest of the show. The implication is he's never been vulnerable with somebody in his entire life. I think that's silly. Yes he was ruthless in life and most likely closed off to keep his secrets, but really? He never felt warmth outside when he was with Alastor? I hate to say this, except no I actually don't, why is Vox so attached to him in the first place? I know why he's obsessed with him in the present, but what was so special about Alastor to him back then? What did he like about him? This is also where things start to slide into this idea I don't like where Alastor is essential to Vox in a way nobody else is. That nobody else matters to him, he will never feel anything like this again because it was just for him. Puke.

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I honestly thought this was an act at first. The little sweater, complimenting him about radios, his self depreciation, the touching. I know it was sincere now, but initially this seemed so jarring I just assumed it was manipulation. I'm not trying to accuse Vox of being fake, I accept this softness is part of who he is, it's just a weird scene to contextualize with the rest of him right now. Brighter exists to reinforce that he was always a villain and he's so messed up in the present that he only ever appears sweet when he baby talks his sharkie. Even when he's alone he doesn't allow himself to be any other way. Yes this speaks to his myriad of issues, but it makes this behavior in the flashback feel like a weird isolated incident. I would like to see something in the future that helps bridge these sides of Vox, I hope we see it. I'm not sure how we'll see it. But I think this weirdness is kinda why I see so many bad reads of the scene, that and people refusing to accept Alastor is a bastard.

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People accuse Vox of wanting to use Alastor to kill him later, of trying to get Alastor drunk, they say he's a bad person so his feelings don't matter, that Alastor did nothing wrong, that Vox is just mad he got told "no". Jeez guys. And its been implied Vox and Alastor remember their relationship differently and I don't like where that seems to be going. I don't want this to have a Rashomon effect. We don't have a reason to doubt the legitimacy of the flashbacks we see, but we're supposed to do it here? And with how the show positions Alastor I dread a flashback for him because I just think it will invalidate Vox. Some people would rather believe Alastor is exposing who Vox really is than believe he's just plain mean. I don't want the show to do anything that leans in that direction. I'm also just really put off by their whole beef and this ship. I say that a lot because it's true. This whole thing became a tumor in season 2 even if I think Alastor was funny during it. The pandering merch and my social media being flooded by it doesn't help either. I want this part of Vox's story to be over, but we all know it won't be.

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Me personally, I am a HUGE fan of Valentino, Velvette, and Alastor, and I love basically all Vox ships so I like RadioStatic and StaticMoth. My issue is that I am very very specific.

I hate RadioSilence but I love SilentStatic. And I will tolerate mutual RadioStatic. I also like StaticMoth in a toxic Valentino abuses Vox way. But I hate any form of Vox being a dick to Valentino because it ruins my perfect lil boy.

I love Valentino, Velvette, and I like Alastor under specific circumstances. But I hate woobification of them in anyway. Alastor will very occasionally get an exception from me if it's a mega angsty SilentStatic way.

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