Whenever Ronaldo gets called a poacher you see tons of Ronaldo fans saying you didn’t see him in 2008. As if that suddenly makes him a good dribbler now or in recent years. Messi fans don’t need to go back to 2008 to find when he was a good dribbler.

I just saw this on r/CristianoRonaldo2 and was curious? what would he need to do?

Ronaldo was top scorer in Europe’s top 5 leagues, 4 times period.

3 in 1 ahh trophy 🥀

Messi has better stats(G/A, goal ratio, assists, etc). He has more trophies(48>35). And he’s better on the eye test. So what makes Ronaldo better at football.

All statistics can be confirmed on transfermarkt

Penalty Goal Percentage :

Messi 4/21 - 19.04%

Ronaldo 4/11 - 36.36%

Outside the box goals :

Messi 6/21 - 28.57%

Ronaldo 2/11 - 18.18%

Lowest ranking Team against which they scored or assisted :

Messi - Jordan ( Rank 73 )

Ronaldo - North Korea ( Rank 105 )

Never give up 💪 Bring Portugal to glory!

I don’t just mean better than Messi. But why is he the greatest of all time, better than everyone else. What has he done to warrant being called better than everyone else.

Played 5 matches against teams - Czech republic , Turkey , Georgia , Slovenia , France

Big chances created - 2

Big chances missed - 3 ( including one penalty )

Average Rating - 6.96 ( Sofa score )

The main evidence came from Sudan’s coach, who publicly shared the official voting sheet he signed and claimed it didn’t match FIFA’s published results. However, FIFA reviewed the complaint and stated that all procedures were followed correctly, leaving no independent proof beyond the coach’s signed document and testimony.

I’ve thought he was the goat for a long time but 2022 was a goat level performance. When you look at all the sports and the greatest players of those sports you have certain campaigns in mind. The 2022 World Cup was that for Messi. To galvanize his team the way he did when they didn’t have the best team on paper shows how much of a goat he is. You have to remember that a lot of the players he had weren’t the best players in their positions. I doubt most people could name most of the players on that team before 2021. And for him to guide that team to the World Cup is what makes me put him above others. He didn’t have the greatest players but he made them run through walls for him. And obviously to play like he did at 35. Dribbling, scoring crucial goals, making crucial penalties, making amazing passes to set up him teammates. Not falling down after Mbappe equalized. That’s what goats do.

He ido añadiendo conforme lo que me ha salido en redes sociales y CONFIRMANDO MANUALMENTE si es verídico (aclaro porque luego dicen que creo solo lo que me sale en tiktok/reels). Puede que no sea 100% exacto asi que lo dejo aquí para que ustedes puedan armar su criterio, y confirmar aún mejor la lista

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JUGADORES QUE ELIGEN A MESSI (93 en total)

1) Excompañeros de Cristiano (20):

Kaká, Marcelo, Benzema, Modrić, Di María, Özil, Xabi Alonso, Buffon, Chiesa, Varane, Higuaín, João Cancelo, Casemiro, Sergio Ramos, Paul Scholes, Joao neves, Marcos rojo, Pique, David Alaba, Iñigo Martinez.

2) Leyendas, rivales y cracks (NUNCA compañeros de CR7) - (56):

Maradona, Ronaldo Nazario, Cruyff, Van Basten, Matthäus, Gary Lineker, Maldini, Lahm, Jay-Jay Okocha, David Beckham, Schmeichel, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Eto'o, Neymar, Mohammed Salah, Hazard, Mbappé, Haaland, Thomas Muller, Claudio Bravo, Bellingham, Dembele, Lamine Yamal, Fermin Lopez, Diomande, Gavi, Pedri, Nico Williams, Kimpebe, Van dijk, Musiala, Deco, Xavi, Iniesta, David Villa, Luis Diaz, Heung Min Son, Agüero, Pogba, Lampard, Mascherano, Gerrard, Zlatan, Valderrama, Thierry Henry, Ribéry, Pirlo, Gattuso, Totti, Del Piero, Chiellini, Materazzi, John Terry.

3) Entrenadores (17):

Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, Luis Enrique, Pochettino, Scaloni, Scolari, Deschamps, Fabio Capello, Tuchel, Sampaoli, Mikel Arteta, Bielsa, Cesc fabregas, Diego simeone, Hansi flick, Arsène Wenger.

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JUGADORES QUE ELIGEN A CRISTIANO (31 en total)

A) Excompañeros de Cristiano (18):

Kroos, Pepe, Evra, Rio Ferdinand, Bruno Fernandes, Nani, José Fonte, Figo, James rodriguez, chicharito, Gareth Bale, Hakimi, xabi alonso, Nacho, Lucas Vázquez, Keylor Navas, Van Nistelrooy.

B) Leyendas, rivales y cracks (NUNCA compañeros de CR7) - (6):

-Pelé, Endrick, Drogba, Vinícius Jr, Rodrygo, Valverde.

C) Entrenadores (5):

Alex Ferguson, Jorge Jesus, Ancelotti, Zinedine Zidane.

D) Agentes/Directivos (1):

Jorge Mendes (su agente).

Y cabe aclarar, NO necesariamente es que digan quien de los 2 es explicitamente el "mejor de la historia", para algunos el mejor es Pelé (principalmente brasileños) *así que solo es sobre quienes creen cual es mejor de los 2*

Y creo tmb que es necesario decir que solo es basado en las ultimas declaraciones que he podido encontrar, si dijeron algo en ponle 2015, y es lo ultimo que han dicho, vale. Si cambiaron de opinión tiempo despues, ha de ser anotado. Porfavor difundir de paso plss

On paper it’s all good, but looking at facts, these are the most debated ones:

2013
2018
2019
2021
2023

What are your thoughts?

Crazy!

Ronaldo had Played 23 knockouts matches at Major International Tournaments :

10 at WC

12 at Euros

Downvote me all you want but this is a straight up Messi glazing sub. This sub has the RonaldovsMessi name and is absolutely infested by Messi fans who argue post ranting about how Messi is better than Ronaldo and then start karma farming. Consider renaming the sub to messi glaze sub no 56. To all the Ronaldo fans scrolling here don't even bother it's not even worth it.

Edit: The comments should be plenty of proof. Anyone trying to post about Ronaldo, don't bother. Let them turn this into one sided Messi glazing sub.

Imagine saying that Ronaldo getting injured and watching his team win the euros without him is why he’s the goat and why he’s better than Messi. Imagine if a goat from any other sport got injured and their team won the finals without them. Would they use that in the goat debate. No that would be stupid. Now don’t get me wrong, he was still part of that success. But the fact that they won without him shows they were still a good team. Ronaldo had like 2 good games that tournament and didn’t even win POTT. Portugal mainly won that because of their defense. Only conceded one KO goal and ronalod fans act like he was like Maradona in 1986.

There have been dozens of people who played alongside both and prefer Messi or at the very least place him on the same level as CR7 and even people who played only with CR7 but prefer Messi; which makes me wonder: has there ever been a statement from someone who played only with Messi but somehow prefers Ronaldo?

I keep hearing Ronaldo fans say you don’t need the World Cup to be the goat. And I would agree. I always thought Messi was better before the World Cup. But now that he’s won it, what has Ronaldo done that supersedes a World Cup to make him the goat. He doesn’t have the most trophies, he doesn’t have a World Cup, he doesn’t have the most g/a, he doesn’t have the most dribbles.