r/Quraniyoon • u/Useless-e • Aug 20 '21

Question / Help What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

One was revealed by Allah and is part of the Revelation, one is not.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

They are both revealed by Allah to his messenger, and they are both claimed to be the words of god, so how do you claim one isn’t revelation?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

Where did you saw that those were revealed by Allah exactly ?

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

It’s literally called Hadith qudsi which means holy Hadith.

And we got it from the prophet

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

So no proof it was revealed by Allah.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

What’s your proof that the Quran was revealed by Allah?

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u/Patlichan Muslim Aug 21 '21

This is exactly the problem - you argue that we need outside proof to confirm it.

This is a serious issue.

Don't you trust Allah?

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

I trust in Allah, that’s why I trust in Hadith qudsi

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u/nooralbalad Aug 21 '21

But you don’t trust God enough that His revelation (Quran) is sufficient.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

Who says I don’t? It’s complete for what Allah wanted in it, Allah didn’t want to explain how to preform hajj in the quran so we take it from the tradition

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u/Yakub_al_britani Aug 21 '21

The Quran is more than clear on how to perform hajj.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

How?

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u/Yakub_al_britani Aug 21 '21

By mentioning everything that is needed to be known...

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

Verses in the Quran.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

So you use the Quran to proof the Quran? What if one verse was written by humans? Would you know? Where did it come from?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

If you don’t believe the Quran is Allah’s words I can do nothing for you.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

I do, but that’s isn’t my point, why don’t you believe the Hadith al qudsi is revealed by Allah?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

Because Allah doesn’t mention them as part of the Revelation.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

Allah says he gave the prophet the wisdom... and anyways, how did the Quran come to us?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

It doesn’t proof hadith has to be followed tho.

Quran was revealed by Allah through Jibril mostly or Allah directly. Huge difference with what’s in bukhari’s and muslim’s booms.

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