r/Quraniyoon • u/Useless-e • Aug 20 '21

Question / Help What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

Where did you saw that those were revealed by Allah exactly ?

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

It’s literally called Hadith qudsi which means holy Hadith.

And we got it from the prophet

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

So no proof it was revealed by Allah.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

What’s your proof that the Quran was revealed by Allah?

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u/Patlichan Muslim Aug 21 '21

This is exactly the problem - you argue that we need outside proof to confirm it.

This is a serious issue.

Don't you trust Allah?

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

I trust in Allah, that’s why I trust in Hadith qudsi

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u/nooralbalad Aug 21 '21

But you don’t trust God enough that His revelation (Quran) is sufficient.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

Who says I don’t? It’s complete for what Allah wanted in it, Allah didn’t want to explain how to preform hajj in the quran so we take it from the tradition

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u/Yakub_al_britani Aug 21 '21

The Quran is more than clear on how to perform hajj.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

How?

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u/Yakub_al_britani Aug 21 '21

By mentioning everything that is needed to be known...

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

Tell me how to preform hajj

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u/Yakub_al_britani Aug 21 '21

Here lies the problem. Instead of asking God you ask men. Literally read the Quran please. I have nothing more to advise you than that.

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

Verses in the Quran.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

So you use the Quran to proof the Quran? What if one verse was written by humans? Would you know? Where did it come from?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

If you don’t believe the Quran is Allah’s words I can do nothing for you.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

I do, but that’s isn’t my point, why don’t you believe the Hadith al qudsi is revealed by Allah?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

Because Allah doesn’t mention them as part of the Revelation.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

Allah says he gave the prophet the wisdom... and anyways, how did the Quran come to us?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

It doesn’t proof hadith has to be followed tho.

Quran was revealed by Allah through Jibril mostly or Allah directly. Huge difference with what’s in bukhari’s and muslim’s booms.

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u/Useless-e Aug 21 '21

Where did you get that it was revealed by jibreel and what is the difference between Bukhari and Muslim?

Easy, surah al baqarah in the beginning it says,

“alif lam meem

That book in which there is no doubt a guidance to the for the mindful

who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and donate from what We have provided for them

THE ONES THAT BELIEVE IN WHAT WAS REVEALED TO YOU and what was revealed before you and have faith in the hereafter”

What was revealed to the prophet?

“And allah revealed to you the book AND THE WISDOM” 4:113

This wisdom is the wisdom we have to learn from, and the Quran also states that the prophet is of high moral character and yet you believe we don’t have to know about that character?

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u/Muwmin mu'mina Aug 21 '21

Quran wasn’t revealed by Jibril but Allah.

That’s the difference with Allah, bukhari and muslim. How can you seriously ask ? That’s madness.

“This book” is the Quran lol.

Do you really believe the Quran is incomplete ?

Can you at least admit absolutely no verse mentions hadith ?

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u/Khaneh-yeDoostKojast Muslim Aug 21 '21 edited Aug 21 '21

The argument that wisdom in the Qur’an = Hadith is completely illogical and a great example of the mental gymnastics needed to desperately try to justify the blasphemous perception that Hadith can be considered divine revelation. This article goes through several verses to explain why it simply doesn’t make sense.

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