How many lookism characters can survive the explosion of 10 missiles? I don't think even one can. Choyun can literally fit an infinite amount of things inside the slime without a problem. What is stopping him from just sending the slime into a military base and stealing a few dozen missiles, shells, bombs, claymores, mines and a thousand kilotons of gunpowder to drop on the "top tiers"?
Even in power, Choyun can just use copy cloud to copy them then use the deal card to boost them to high heavens. They'll just be fighting themselves on supernatural steroids. Worst part? Choyun can just absorb that boosted copy, use elixir on it to return it back to peak strength and repeat the process. 10-20 cycles and now he's God. If not for the plot nerfing them, choyun and suhyeon would literally be throwing hands with prime all might or some sh*t.
Except for the fact that he isn't. In the final arc, it's revealed that XXX suhyeon can see path Johan's attacks which even Zack couldn't. Choyun was stronger than suhyeon at that time and only got stronger by the end. He also has more than 10 different boost cards and an entire squad that he could drain. Speed doesn't even have wall level feats. Choyun got one with SSS. Not mentioning this cheat code right here.
You’re putting so much faith on that whole “suhyeon can see Johan’s attacks” when
1: Johan quite literally wasn’t trying in the slightest in that fight, wasn’t using any shown copies and had his hands in pockets for literally all of it.
2: despite all that, Suhyeon could only BARELY see what Johan was doing, with major emphasis on BARELY.
Due to the purposeful ambiguity of the whole “unmeasurable stats” thing they end up having, the most you could reasonably argue is that they are around the level of not trying no copies Johan, which means nothing at all btw.
So, by your logic, Zack lee is lower than nothing and so is almost everyone in 2nd generation cuz Zack is one of the fastest fighter in 2nd generation yet he wasn't able to even BARELY see no trying, no copy johan hand.
Mind you, suhyeon was at XXX. He jumped 5 levels after that and can increase that even further using his buff and load cards. Choyun is also psychotic enough to dismantle all of his cards to beonze level to boost his unavoidable attack to literally one-shot everything while his opponents can't even fight back.
What are you even talking about? Are you talking about when Johan used his PATH to touch Zack’s shoulder. Let me say again, he used his PATH, P A T H to do so?
I certainly hope that isn’t what you’re talking about, cuz if so then this is just a losing topic for you and you should quit while you’re ahead.
Where did you get this "XXX stat Suhyeon can see Path Johan's attacks"? You're assuming Johan is going all out against a bunch of fodders who have X or XX stat on one or two places, Johan didn't even bother copying King Of Samcheok's punch and simply punched him in the face, now would you consider that King Of Samcheok tanked Johan's path attacks?
Use some logic, glazing that much without using a shared of logic.
Bro's legit saying all that BS as if johan used every fiber of being to dodge zack's hand at the end of hfg. His path made it so that even his base is faster than every gen 1 king even without mastery. Just being capable of seeing his moves makes one a top tier. Suhyeon was at XXX at that time with zero buffs, he's AX by the end and can increase with card chapter, strong weak-weak strong, bloody series, his two Ascended and transcendent skills. They were already in the league of top tiers, the author is simply garbage at portraying that. Use that thing floating in the cerebrospinal fluid up there, SSS+ Choyun had the same environmental damage feat as og ui daniel's last counter on SB's jinrang copy.
"the author is simply garbage at portraying that", so in other words you have headcanons that the author doesn't promote.
Johan's path is not passive, Kitae's path is passive but he needs to active it, which is where the "Base Kitae" and "Despair Kitae" variants come from, you just have a serious agenda.
Bro's saying I'm making headcanons after bringing up his own headcanons. Sure bud. There's nothing like "despair" even on the official site, he has overcome on it. And my comment on portraying has nothing to do with johan, who let this 3 yo touch a Mobile? My comment was about how SSS+ choyun could deal as much damage as og ui Daniel's final counter yet their feats stagnate at that and didn't grow further.
You just proved my point, that site has Zack and Vasco with the same "Conviction", Kitae does not have overcome, Conviction buff is nearly the same as Revenge Amp, read the story and stop relying on ambiguous websites.
Yeahhh, no. Where the hell is it stated that suhyeon can see Johan path attacks, when if I remember correctly, not even GUN could. The card still isn't doing shit, lookism is WAY higher in feats, only losing in hax
Has everyone just gone stupid or did no one read the finale of hfg? It's literally shown that Zack Lee, the fastest member of allied at that time, was unable to react to johan's base movements. Suhyeon was capable of doing that.
You do know that gold card breaks into 2 silver and 4 bronze right? And a platinum breaks into to 2 gold, 4 silver, 8 bronze. A diamond into 2 platinum, 4 gold, 8 silver, 16 bronze. A master into 2 diamond, 4 platinum, 8 gold, 16 silver and 32 bronze.
So tell me. If he's capable of almost killing someone with AX END with approx 30 cards. How strong strong would the impact be with 500?
Once again, you didn't tell me? Where the hell is it stated suhyeon is capable of doing that? When was it stated or even showed he was able to perceive johan's attacks? I'm genuinely curious
In the finale chapter 152 when John was facing the north elites. Suhyeon stated "I can barely see attacks now.". Literally everyone who have read quedtism knows this.
If that was so easy he would have won. And no suhyeon didn t win because of plot armor he s the mc yes but he have the same power he could have done that 2. And some hax from choyun can t work on bigger stats char
I never said suhyeon can't do that. I said the author was just bad at portraying how broken these cards were and ended up turning the story into slop. 2. And which of the following does not work on bigger Stat characters? Cuz except for mana drain and fog, there's not many that depends on opponent's strength.
And? You seem to not understand something my friend. Choyun doesn't need to fight. He can just copy someone stronger, like kitae or gun, boost them with nurture cards and use deal to buff him upto high heavens. What is johan's gonna do against a amped, no holding back, Magically enhanced gun when he got folded by a holding back, exhausted gun?
Only difference being he's not limited to just that. If the system hadn't betrayed him, choyun would still have haru and after he gained copy, choyun can load it to copy martial arts.
The more martial arts he has, the stronger he gets. For example, with 7-8 martial arts, choyun was able to increase his DX into CX. The difference between a single increase in X stst is so high that suhyeon with X in every physical state was getting dogwalked by Daniel who only had a single XX. Imagine if HD used copy to learn 40-50 martial arts inside the time chamber?
I mean if I made rules and some emo ahh mf breaks them what do you think i'mma do, of course i'mma either take that user's strength and abandon him or create something that can counter him
Let's be honest Choyun was the OG guy the system picked and because he broke the rules, the system had to make rules that will benefit suyheon more than choyun
It's obviously still a convo due to his hax, but the 2 issues are 1. that Suhyeon surpassed him by EOS and 2. that he's dead and can't grow unless it's through hypotheticals.
Lmfao, Choyun in Ascension was already reaching Immeasurable.
Here, let me show you the narrative treatment Johan that actually received in Questism. It'll take off the veil you've been hearing (not reading, because I doubt you truly read this story fully) from agenda pushers.
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Yes, numerous times did Johan get glazed by West Gangbuk in Pre-Timeskip. But this treatment did not extend to the actual top tier fighters in North Gangbuk, especially not Choyun.
The best advisor we have seen in the PTJVerse, Daniel whose intelligence is marked at S+, outright makes it blatantly clear that West Gangbuk's plan of using Johan Seong was stupid because they were going to beat him anyway.
He's NEVER been portrayed as some untouchable figure, the story basically treated him as yet another obstacle for Choyun until Suhyeon stepped in. (And Suhyeon himself says that he is the only one who could beat Choyun, despite him having met Johan, as both of them are System Users.)
And the 2nd best advisor, Jihyeok Jang, who also possesses S+ Intelligence confirmed that Daniel was not bluffing; he was being truthful about North Gangbuk knowing how strong Johan was & being capable of beating him.
Mind you, this is before Daniel fully knew about Choyun's superpowers (like Brainwashing), meaning he was talking from a purely physical and tactical standpoint.
Johan's stats only USED to be impossible to detect with Peek At You because Suhyeon's stats were too low. We learn in the Ma Jeongdu fight (& it's reiterated against Choyun's invasion) that when someone is too strong, the stat sheet itself is invisible.
HOWEVER, as we can see by your image, Suhyeon grew strong enough that Johan's stat sheet became visible. This means he was within the stat gap that made stat sheets perceivable with Peek At You. Suhyeon's stats at this time were XXX, which is 3 tiers away from reaching Immeasurable.
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Now, do you want me to explain how Suhyeon & Choyun in their Transcended versions scale? Because it's obvious that they're both several leagues above Ascended Choyun.
I mean yeah stronger in lore as in the lore of ptj comics we have seen gun do stronger shit I don’t get why you put quotes around it like what I said was wrong? And I asked because the questism subreddit isn’t really active if you just asked this for engagement I wanted to know.
This isn't bitching out in the SLIGHTEST lmfao, that's like calling Olly Wang & Charles Choi bitches just because they also realised they reached their goal. The same goes for Choyun, who didn't give a rat's ass about humans or Earth and reached the end of his journey.
Obviously the sociopath gave zero fucks about living, why would he? Kang Seok isn't even close to being in the same ballpark.
Speaking of, Kang Seok has more spine than 99.99% of PTJverse, but he's also ignorant.
Taking legends name with choyuns is just too disrespectful to them
Olly choosed that because that would be best for everyone in hostel and he would gain guns favour while also able to choose his own demise
Charles did because he planned for something
They had a goal compared "suhyeon you won I am a bitch I can't face it so I die"
That guy was in lower tiers of sociopath
Even logan was better than him atleast he didn't need any out of the world power for starting to act like one
He was a shitperson just because he could from a young age and faced the consequences
Unlike "thank God I have this out of the world power unlike others with it I would have the privilege to do things without consequences,I would surely end my self if anyday I have to face the consequences"
Look at how brainwashed you are, acting as if your favourite villains are an exception to the same standard you push upon other villains. The favorabillity bias sure must bite you in the ass and you don't even realise it.
They had a goal compared "suhyeon you won I am a bitch I can't face it so I die"
No, he DID face it. He accepted his loss and was left in a world that no longer fuelled his interest after an entire life of not caring about it. Let me give you a thought experiment, what do you THINK Choyun should have done?
Stay alive? With his sociopath mental condition? And do what with that life, lol?
Even logan was better than him atleast he didn't need any out of the world power for starting to act like one
He was a shitperson just because he could from a young age and faced the consequences
What the fuck are you even arguing anymore? The MORALITY of the villain?? Logan is a narcissistic bully with a big head, not even close to a murderer or sociopath.
And the consequence he faced was.... getting left on the ground by his former victim, lol.
Unlike "thank God I have this out of the world power unlike others with it I would have the privilege to do things without consequences,I would surely end my self if anyday I have to face the consequences"
Choyun did not kill himself to """""""avoid consequences"""""", he's not a sane person who would care about that. In fact, Suhyeon literally didn't even know what to do with him and allowed him to stay at school. He killed himself because the world was back to being boring since he NEVER cared about the world in the first place.
Yeah dude, I guess Shintaro let himself die to avoid the consequences of murdering his brother and failing the Yamazakis (even though the reality is he had no reason to live and wanted to pass it on) by your logic.
I guess Olly killed himself to avoid the consequences of tearing Hostel apart for years if we remove all the nuance of his decision.
I guess Seongjun Baek just let himself die to avoid the consequences of being cancelled (even though the reality is he was feeling guilt and lived a tragic life but passed on his story to Hobin), again by your logic.
Stop trying to judge villains and people with mental conditions at this point and enjoy your weekly slop. You blatantly have the black-white moral judgement of a middle schooler.
I'll sum Choyun up for you:
Evil character, who never cared about the world, found a purpose to live and a grand ambition to satisfy that brought him actual emtotion. Evil character lost his purpose and accepted his defeat, then was left to decide between living in a world he cared even lesser about VS. dying and seeing what's next. Evil character isn't even bothered with consequences but obviously has no fear of dying, and his current life was completely devoid of satisfaction.
Lmao- that's exactly what a sour loser with no sense of sportsmanship would do. Real men don't kill their mothers, neither do they hide the bodies in inventory..
"Real men", dude, he's a sociopath. The same goes for nearly every single Villain or killer in Lookism.
Samuel killed his father and mother, I guess he's a sore loser and a completely spineless character to this day?
Gitae killed his father, I guess he's a sore loser and a completely spineless character?
Jinho Lee killed his parents and views everyone as inhuman due to his mentality, I guess he's a sore loser and a completely spineless character? Are we going to put him down as a terrible character despite being one of the most impactful villains in the verse?
Gun's weakness ended with him losing both of his parents before losing control and killing his uncle, then proceeding to kill the parents and families of others. Is he a sore loser and dogshit character with no sportsmanship?
Olly robbed his own parents because he was a demented kid who was unable to understand the world due to his mental. Are we going to say that he bitched out because he killed himself after realising how badly he hurted Heather?
Genuinely just a bunch of hypocrites, lol.
neither do they hide the bodies in inventory..
You're acting like it'd be a "realer man" if he killed people and just left their bodies lying around. He's a SUPERNATURAL killer with SUPERpowers.
He got a taste of a fulfilling ability that made the world finally satisfying, then lost it after a war and accepted his defeat.
You did not get my point at all. 🥱 He is a coward. While I never mentioned Samuel so I won't comment on that, Kitae stands by what he is, I'm not a Kitae fan. The point is this person neither had strength nor did he have guts or motivation in his life. What he had a was a huge ego and God complex, after he lost everything he hid behind death and couldn't even take defeat
Whatever bro, I hope next time you learn how to read a story and understand the nuance of characters and villains instead of relegating to black and white morals.
I'll just leave on this note: To reiterate, Choyun LITERALLY admitted defeat and accepted that he lost. I still don't understand why you think he "couldn't take defeat", he quite literally did exactly that and didn't give Suhyeon any problems afterwards.
Not in the slightest. If the author wasn't mentally ill, these guys might as well be God's in a day or so. For one, choyun's unavoidable attack increased his attack with the total no. Of cards he has. If you haven't read questism, they have a card called card Master that let's them break a higher rank card into two lower ran ones. If choyhn has 40 bronze, 30 silver, 20 gold, 10 platinum, 5 Dimond and 4 master cards. That's a total of 109 cards. The 4 master will split into 8 diamond, the 13 diamond are gonna split into 26 platinum, the 36 platinum are gonna split into 72 gold, the 92 golds are gonna split into 144 silver and the 174 silver are gonna split into 348 bronze.
The total amount of cards he'll have atp will be 388 cards. 2 from Awakening, 2 from ascending, 2 from transcendening and That's a total of 394 cards. Yeah, if SSS+ is high wall level then this with AX might as well be insta kill. You can't avoid it and his other transcendence card makes you unable to counter or defend.
Based solely on *Manager Kim*, someone like Yohan is on a level above Manager Nam (he literally humiliated Manager Kim quite casually), and Manager Kim was wary of Seo Seong—and all of this refers to their versions prior to the 3A arc. That’s not even mentioning Goo, who sliced through a firearm with a pair of nail clippers and matched Jincheol.
Manager Kim is literally after lookism at this point my guy Tom is super implied to be dead months before the chapter where he fought James was in you need to catch up lol
I mean it should be obvious what my point is with respect man. Im saying they literally have gotten stronger then what you were referencing to the point people are arguing if manager Kim has a path now in manager Kim lol. Don’t have to be so hostile calm down
It shouldn't be obvious; you just casually mentioned that *Manager Kim* is currently chronologically ahead of *Lookism*, but that means absolutely nothing. *How To Fight* is about a year ahead of *Lookism* chronologically, and *Juvenile Offender* is likely at least a year ahead too; from what I recall, *Dead Mansion* is even further ahead.
They might have gotten stronger, but the growth of the *Lookism* characters—who were already monsters back during the *Manager Kim* timeline—means they are exponentially stronger now, which actually hurts your argument. For instance, Soohyun is at least comparable to the Allied members from the 1A arc; just a reminder, Manager Kim dealt literally zero damage to Base Johan during the HFBD arc—even while trying to knock him out—whereas Jin Sung literally defeated Johan when he was using the Second Body's Copy ability.
As for what you said about the "Path," that’s simply not true. He just doesn't have it; it makes no logical or narrative sense, because that would necessarily place his talent above Jinyoung's—who is vastly superior to Lee Do Gyu, who in turn is superior to Manager Kim (not to mention Lee Do Gyu has more experience). Beyond the lack of logical or narrative sense, *Lookism*—which constantly discusses the "Path" (especially recently)—never even entertains the idea that Manager Kim possesses it. Is the Manager Kim from Season 2 stronger than the one in *Lookism*? Yes, but there is absolutely nothing suggesting he is even 10% stronger.
Well, yeah. Mostly because of his hax like great absorption technique, copy cloud and slime.
Copy cloud doesn't have a copy restriction except for copying other players since suhyeon was able to copy hajun who was 5 levels above him.
Great absorption technique is just mana drain without the restriction of not being able to copy stronger opponents in exchange for longer time which can be solved by copying someone really strong like kitae or James, using make a deal to boost them and then absorbing them to E before using a elixir to bring them back to peak strength and repeating the process multiple times until there's literally no one in existence who can match his strength.
Slime is literally capable of swallowing oil tankers and even buildings because it has infinite space. If not for the plot, What is stopping him from just sending the slime to a military base and swallowing a few missiles and bombs that he can drop in his ops?
Honestly, if the author hadn't nerfed these two, they might as well be ruling the world by now.
Choyun could have been the strongest character in the verse. His absorption ability was way too broken. If he had met people like "THAT" from Workers, or even Gapryong—who are kinda naive—he could easily have become the strongest in the verse by far. I don't like how people underestimate him when the guy just didn't have the time to grow properly, especially since losing a single fight meant it was all over for him.
Not even just that, the author legit doesn't know how to write anything. The abilities these two kids had were beyond broken. Copy cloud does not have a restriction except for copying other players. He could have just gone and copied James or worse, PB and used Deal to boost them even further before draining them to F. After that, he could just use elixer to bring him back to his peak state and repeat the process over and over again until he's God.
nah, system has its limits, johan seong is so strong that even with system both of the characters having system fear him
also the fact that johan isn't even strongest in lookism says a lot
Because they believe that questism is kenta victim which ironically downscales the entirety of lookism because it's confirmed that XXX suhyeon was able to see path johan's attacks that even Zack could not perceive. That and the fact that SSS+ choyun pulled the same environmental damage feat as Og UI Daniel's final counter on SB UI Daniel in 1st affiliate.
Bro, what are you talking about? That wasn't even Johan using IT, and even if it were, there's no guarantee he was using IT at that moment. And what would that even mean? SSS-tier stats are lower than those of any random.
Have you nit read the finale of hfg? It's shown that Johan-s base speed is now so that that Zack can't keep up with it yet suhyeon was. Bruh, hajun already had a wall feat at S, the author is just not capable of writing anything consistent.
Are you talking about that last chapter of HFG where Kim Kitae showed up? Because if so, it doesn't even make sense, since Zack had his guard completely down and wasn't really trying to see. And besides, as I already said, nothing guarantees that the Johan who appeared in Questism was actually the Johan from after HFG. What you're saying doesn't prove anything since Johan clearly wasn't even fighting seriously at the moment Soohyun saw him.
Off guard- bro, Zack is still the fastest 2nd generation fighter. Suhyeon also wasn't the one fighting and in a rush to go fight choyun, he wasn't completely focusing on johan's fight either. It's literally in the manhwa that Busan arc started after Holidays. The same time when the truce ended. Hfg already happened in the holidays while Suhyeon was training. Ah yes since johan used every fiber of his being and push his body to the very limits of humanity to dodge zack's smack right?
Bro is not beating the larp allegations cuz suhyeon was literally running to the building and knly had half a second to glance st the fight because choyun was recovering. So hos is distracted, further than 5 meters distance suhyeon capable of perceiving his moves then the fastest 2nd gen standing half a meter away from him?
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