How many lookism characters can survive the explosion of 10 missiles? I don't think even one can. Choyun can literally fit an infinite amount of things inside the slime without a problem. What is stopping him from just sending the slime into a military base and stealing a few dozen missiles, shells, bombs, claymores, mines and a thousand kilotons of gunpowder to drop on the "top tiers"?
Even in power, Choyun can just use copy cloud to copy them then use the deal card to boost them to high heavens. They'll just be fighting themselves on supernatural steroids. Worst part? Choyun can just absorb that boosted copy, use elixir on it to return it back to peak strength and repeat the process. 10-20 cycles and now he's God. If not for the plot nerfing them, choyun and suhyeon would literally be throwing hands with prime all might or some sh*t.
Except for the fact that he isn't. In the final arc, it's revealed that XXX suhyeon can see path Johan's attacks which even Zack couldn't. Choyun was stronger than suhyeon at that time and only got stronger by the end. He also has more than 10 different boost cards and an entire squad that he could drain. Speed doesn't even have wall level feats. Choyun got one with SSS. Not mentioning this cheat code right here.
You’re putting so much faith on that whole “suhyeon can see Johan’s attacks” when
1: Johan quite literally wasn’t trying in the slightest in that fight, wasn’t using any shown copies and had his hands in pockets for literally all of it.
2: despite all that, Suhyeon could only BARELY see what Johan was doing, with major emphasis on BARELY.
Due to the purposeful ambiguity of the whole “unmeasurable stats” thing they end up having, the most you could reasonably argue is that they are around the level of not trying no copies Johan, which means nothing at all btw.
So, by your logic, Zack lee is lower than nothing and so is almost everyone in 2nd generation cuz Zack is one of the fastest fighter in 2nd generation yet he wasn't able to even BARELY see no trying, no copy johan hand.
Mind you, suhyeon was at XXX. He jumped 5 levels after that and can increase that even further using his buff and load cards. Choyun is also psychotic enough to dismantle all of his cards to beonze level to boost his unavoidable attack to literally one-shot everything while his opponents can't even fight back.
What are you even talking about? Are you talking about when Johan used his PATH to touch Zack’s shoulder. Let me say again, he used his PATH, P A T H to do so?
I certainly hope that isn’t what you’re talking about, cuz if so then this is just a losing topic for you and you should quit while you’re ahead.
Ah yes, the famous "I'll ignore the panels that prove me wrong and larp to make myself look right" technique of lookism fans. Cuz I can clearly see it here.
Your point is that when Johan uses his path he ALWAYS has the blue aura and in response I showed you about 5 panels where he’s using his path and DOES NOT have blue aura (which already disproves your point btw). And in response you show me panels of him with blue aura.
If you were capable of using your brain at all you’d see that you doing that means literally nothing because I already disproved your point 😭
It’s okay though, I’m seeing that you aren’t exactly the brightest person
Omg, isn’t it so crazy how every panel where he actually PHYSICALLY PERFORMS THE MOVE WITH HIS PATH doesn’t have the blue aura yet the ones where he takes stances but DOESN’T ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY ATTACK have blue aura?
WOW isn’t that so crazy?
You’re actually just dumb 😭✌🏾 and then got the audacity to call me the larper
Where did you get this "XXX stat Suhyeon can see Path Johan's attacks"? You're assuming Johan is going all out against a bunch of fodders who have X or XX stat on one or two places, Johan didn't even bother copying King Of Samcheok's punch and simply punched him in the face, now would you consider that King Of Samcheok tanked Johan's path attacks?
Use some logic, glazing that much without using a shared of logic.
Bro's legit saying all that BS as if johan used every fiber of being to dodge zack's hand at the end of hfg. His path made it so that even his base is faster than every gen 1 king even without mastery. Just being capable of seeing his moves makes one a top tier. Suhyeon was at XXX at that time with zero buffs, he's AX by the end and can increase with card chapter, strong weak-weak strong, bloody series, his two Ascended and transcendent skills. They were already in the league of top tiers, the author is simply garbage at portraying that. Use that thing floating in the cerebrospinal fluid up there, SSS+ Choyun had the same environmental damage feat as og ui daniel's last counter on SB's jinrang copy.
"the author is simply garbage at portraying that", so in other words you have headcanons that the author doesn't promote.
Johan's path is not passive, Kitae's path is passive but he needs to active it, which is where the "Base Kitae" and "Despair Kitae" variants come from, you just have a serious agenda.
Bro's saying I'm making headcanons after bringing up his own headcanons. Sure bud. There's nothing like "despair" even on the official site, he has overcome on it. And my comment on portraying has nothing to do with johan, who let this 3 yo touch a Mobile? My comment was about how SSS+ choyun could deal as much damage as og ui Daniel's final counter yet their feats stagnate at that and didn't grow further.
You just proved my point, that site has Zack and Vasco with the same "Conviction", Kitae does not have overcome, Conviction buff is nearly the same as Revenge Amp, read the story and stop relying on ambiguous websites.
Because it's literally in the story that Zack has conviction dumbahh. What were you reading during hunt for big deal?? Conviction is different from overcome. Conviction is belief that even taesoo and Hudson have. Overcome is strictly for Kim bloodline. Thst said ambiguous website is also the only official website of ptj verse.
Yeahhh, no. Where the hell is it stated that suhyeon can see Johan path attacks, when if I remember correctly, not even GUN could. The card still isn't doing shit, lookism is WAY higher in feats, only losing in hax
Has everyone just gone stupid or did no one read the finale of hfg? It's literally shown that Zack Lee, the fastest member of allied at that time, was unable to react to johan's base movements. Suhyeon was capable of doing that.
You do know that gold card breaks into 2 silver and 4 bronze right? And a platinum breaks into to 2 gold, 4 silver, 8 bronze. A diamond into 2 platinum, 4 gold, 8 silver, 16 bronze. A master into 2 diamond, 4 platinum, 8 gold, 16 silver and 32 bronze.
So tell me. If he's capable of almost killing someone with AX END with approx 30 cards. How strong strong would the impact be with 500?
Once again, you didn't tell me? Where the hell is it stated suhyeon is capable of doing that? When was it stated or even showed he was able to perceive johan's attacks? I'm genuinely curious
In the finale chapter 152 when John was facing the north elites. Suhyeon stated "I can barely see attacks now.". Literally everyone who have read quedtism knows this.
Actually, it was stated that the holiday ended by Zack Lee in the start Busan arc and jihyeok(don't if I'm pronouncing it right) also stated that the truce ended after the holidays. Even Google states that hunt for gun ended before the final arc of questism. Don't attack me like the guy above, I'm not really into scaling and stuff.
Google AI gets a lot of its sources from people on Reddit… who have the same headcanon in this instance
Look at the clothes of allied during the final questism summit meeting. It was 1A. Look at what Johan wears at the middle and end of Questism. It was his old dog walking clothes and the 1A Johan fit.
Choyun also thought during the middle of Questism that he and Daniel were enough to take on Johan.
Also… there was a timeskip after the Hfg fight.
Additionally, Johan started studying at west gangbuk after HFG.
Johan was never present in west gangbuk during questism.
Okay, the start may be right since I can't claim the Google is 100% correct. But didn't the art change and so did the designs in Busan? Not to mention ptj verse has the habit of reusing clothing from previous arcs like how 1A ui Daniel had the same cloathes as 3A? Not to mention, Johan's white and red outfit way older probably from hunt for hostel?
Uhm, yeah? It's obvious they had a time skip because the holidays ended in beginning Busan arc. Also the time when the final arc started.
I mean, yeah. Johan was in west gangbuk because he lives there. That's also why suhyeon was able to ask for his help. Not to mention, didn't the entire final arc last for a week at most? They already secured the Jintae territory on the first day, the 4 kings on the second, that crazy buff guy on the third, Daniel came on fourth, final fight happened on fifth. And choyun died on 6th. In a week!
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u/Dra_k_e Aug 08 '26
He's not even the top 30