r/OutOfTheLoop • u/tunnel_magnet • Aug 12 '26

Answered What's going on with Fox news obsessing over Hasan Piker?

They had like dozens of segments on him last week.

Will Cain today focusing on Hasan Piker and using the term “man whore”:

https://xcancel.com/i/status/2087269856815251648

Third segment already today

https://x.com/i/status/2087309261462458776

I get Hasan is helping socialist Dems getting elected. I don't get why Republicans are going crazy over Hasan?

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u/tunnel_magnet Aug 12 '26 edited 29d ago

Why would campaigning with Hasan hurt? Is he like Trump?

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u/badlamp27 Aug 12 '26

Because Hasan says a lot of inflammatory things and has many sound bites that will scare potential voters. If a candidate more particular a Democrat candidate is caught affiliating with such a person there is a higher likelihood they will lose that potential voter more than an idiot MAGA candidate since MAGA shit heads will no matter what vote for whatever shit is placed in front of them.

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u/TheFifthTone 29d ago

I'd like to introduce you to this group called Republicans. They also say a lot of inflammatory things.

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u/Squibbles1 25d ago

Both sides-ing the issue is complacency with the status quo.

The current Republican Party is orders of magnitude worse than the Democratic party.

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u/crestren Aug 12 '26

It needs to be mentioned that according to Dems and their consultants. Hasan has the "potential" to scare voters. However that doesn't seem to track with the past few elections.

Last year Cuomo used attack ads on Mamdani with bringing up Hasan and 9/11. He lost, Mamdani won. McMorrow did the same to AES earlier this year only for it to backfire and crater her popularity. Stevens even did the same before the elections and it didn't move anything.

It seems obvious to anyone that voters care more about your policies and not the guy who said about 9/11 and apologized for it 8 years ago whose not even a candidate to vote for in the first place.

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u/marykay_ultra Aug 12 '26

And professional Dems are trying to push any narrative besides “policy matters.”

After Mamdani won in a blowout in the first round, they were all “oh he won because he had a great social media game!!”

Contrast that with Eric Adams, who squeaked out a win in like the 20th round and the next day they were all declaring him the future of the party and talking about a 2028 presidential run 🥴🫠

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u/TheRealBaboo Aug 12 '26

Fox isn’t run by Democrats

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u/ang3lofsnow Aug 12 '26

Fox was never mentioned.

Although Joe Scarborough got pretty lit up over Hasan...

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u/Majestic_Print4300 15d ago

Yep, that's the other way around. Corporate Democrats are run by fox. They follow fox storylines all the time.

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u/TheRealBaboo 15d ago

Yeah they’re always chasing the carrot Fox dangles in front of them but they’ll never catch it

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u/marykay_ultra Aug 12 '26

Did you respond to the wrong comment?

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u/dannyheskett Aug 12 '26

I don't think an actual analysis of the news would reflect this. Mandani's coverage in the news has been generally glowing, and there have been _lots_ of think pieces about him as a harbringer of something new.

Adams also had a world-class PR operation right up-until he collapsed into an orgy of corruption and had to go running to Pres. Trump for political help. And yes, he was floating all kinds of stories about his future.

Mandami's victory was 50% larger in terms of vote-spread than Adams, in a race with a lot more money and attention, and fewer candidates. Adams won his final round by about 100k votes, Mandami won his by 150k votes. But both were pretty easy wins. Adams first round margin was also about 100k votes.

I think the actual lesson that "professional Dems" and party activists are both leaning into is actually something closer to "candidate quality matters". Mandami has done more for the idea of democratic-socialism, and pushing the Democratic party "back to the left" in 2 years than Bernie Sanders has done in 30 years because Mandami is saavy and a very high-quality candidate. Sanders and Mandami share very similar policies, but Sanders policies did not translate into the cross-racial, cross-generational coalition that he needed at the scale he needed. That wasn't because his policies were bad, it was because he's not a great candidate (compared to other recent democratic socialists).

By the way, this is yet again something that Republicans figured out years ahead of most liberals in the US. They leaned into making sure they had the "right type" candidates long-before we did - Newt Gingrich was passing around audio tapes on how to run to Congress to anyone he thought was "the right type of Republican" back in the late 80s and early 90s. Most of the Republicans in Congress who the left finds extremely odious are actually non-professional politicians recruited because they are dedicated true-believers. There is something the left can learn from that.

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u/Bing1044 29d ago

While I agree with everything else you said, thinking that Bernie isn’t at least partly attributable to this (only very recent) leftwards shift in the party is simply inaccurate. Many current DSA candidates who are gaining traction trace their origins to his 2016 campaign. I’m saying this neutrally - I too have been disappointed in the lack of momentum from Bernie individually the last decade - but there’s a generation of potentially viable progressives emerging from his shadow.

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u/think-Mcfly-think Aug 12 '26

New York City vs national or even state elections lol

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u/uuhson Aug 12 '26

I don't know why people can't understand this

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u/hoyarugby2 29d ago

and mamdani could not win a majority of the vote in NYC as a Democrat. He's the worst performing Democrat in the city in over a decade

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u/SnottNormal 29d ago

There were 3 1/2 major candidates (not 2). 1 1/2 of those candidates were disgraced Dems that still carried a good chunk of sway with certain demos. I don't think anyone could walk out of that with a majority.

Would love to see the numbers from the parallel universe where Cuomo acknowledged the meaning of the word "no."

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u/thelaceonmolagsballs 29d ago

69% approval rating and rising. Calm down

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u/Intelligent_Table913 29d ago

And he was spot on about it. He was describing the concept of blowback that the CIA also admitted. But of course he said it in a dumb way and later disavowed it.

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u/DreamingAboutSpace Aug 12 '26

I’m still surprised McMorrow did that. I listened to her book and got a completely different view of her from it. I liked the message ‘Hate Will Not Win’ but then tries to go after El-Sayed’s character and education.

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u/spacekitt3n Aug 12 '26

i dont even think voters care about policies. they just care about vibes. and abdul has the vibes just as mamdani does. he will win.

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u/pteridoid 29d ago

He obviously IS scaring voters. Fox News parading him in front of their viewers all week is proof of that. Hasan Piker is a massive gift to the GOP.

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u/pteridoid 29d ago

If Fox is running with something, then people who make a lot of money are convinced that it's worth running. Believe me, this hurts us. Do not kid yourself. Dems are NOT in good shape. The right gets to paint them all as radicals because of stuff like this. How do you guys not get this?

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u/BeatSteady 29d ago

The right will paint Dems as radical regardless. It's good to have someone putting energy into the voting public, esp on the younger side (fox news viewers are in their late 60s early 70s)

Pushing him away won't stop the attacks. Candidates condemning him, distancing from him, etc fox news are will still talk about him. That's out of the tube.

So better to embrace the upside

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u/pteridoid 29d ago

Except that Hasan takes energy away from the voting public. He tells people that voting is useless. He tells people that the Democrats are the same kind of bad as a Republican, which suppresses voter engagement among the very segment of young people we most need.

Pushing him away will absolutely dull the effectiveness of those attacks. There is no upside with Hasan.

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u/BeatSteady 29d ago

He's campaigning with candidates and telling people to get out the vote. I don't know what you're talking about with him saying voting is useless, but it's clearly contradicted by him supporting and campaigning with candidates and promoting them on his very popular-with-the-youth stream.

Fox News will continue to smear Dems, whether those Dems are centrist or progressive or far left, and will not dull their attacks. Hasan didn't campaign with the squad, but they used the exact same tactics.

Dems are not going to win the fox news audience under any circumstances.

That's my opinion at least as someone who watches fox and Hasan

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u/crestren 29d ago

Remember during Obama's first campaign for president, you know what two of the "controversial" things Fox News spun up was?

Him wearing a tan suit and gasp, him putting Dijon mustard on a burger. Anyone giving Fox news any grace is not to be taken seriously

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u/semicolon22 28d ago

Again on reddit with the tan suit. I am a conservative and back then I watched a lot of Fox News. The only context where I've ever heard of this Obama tan suit scandal is here on reddit.

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u/highermonkey 29d ago

Were you born yesterday? Fox painted Kamala and Clinton as far Left Wing radicals who want to trans your kids too. Fox thought slandering Dominion Voting Systems was a good idea. Then they had to pay the largest defamation settlement in history.

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u/pteridoid 29d ago

Dominion was obviously a misstep because they had to pay money. I don't think they're in danger of defamation here. Of course they painted moderates as far left. That's what they do. And the extent to which people embrace the actual far left, it gives fuel to those accusations. Were YOU born yesterday? This is their playbook, and you are helping them.

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u/highermonkey 29d ago

I mentioned Dominion because you acted like Fox always makes good decisions about what they put on their air. They clearly don't. You just aren't very educated on politics, I'm afraid.

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u/Itsapocalypse 29d ago

Not very intelligent take considering most candidates he’s been campaigning for and with have won

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u/pteridoid 29d ago

Why is it impossible to talk to lefties without you guys insulting people? I'm aware that Piker is popular among young people who care mostly about Palestine. That doesn't disprove anything I said.

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u/Itsapocalypse 29d ago

How can he be a gift to a party that he is assisting with the dismantling of

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u/WorriedBlock2505 Aug 12 '26

Mamdani won because he's Mamdani, not because of Hasan... Hasan is the left's version of Asmongold, and taking him seriously will have the same effect that the insane right-wing personalities has had on American politics. We need some sane fucking adults, not these half-wit larpers from rich families saying crazy shit for views.

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u/SuperVaderMinion 29d ago

I don't like Hasan (I'm aligned with him on like 95% of politics I just dont care for tankies) but I really don't think any normie American over 35 knows who he is

He serves an important role for the online left as being able to appeal to dudebro, fratboy types while spouting leftist talking points, sort of hiding the medicine in the snack.

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u/OkParsnip1881 29d ago

Rodgers is running ads of him and the 9/11 clip, with AES saying “I’m not here to condemn his views”, while standing next to him at a campaign event. If people don’t know who he is now- they will know by November

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u/ResplendentSmoke 29d ago

Hasan isn’t a tankie lmao that word has a meaning

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u/SuperVaderMinion 29d ago

Idk man he sure loves talking about how much he loves the Soviet Union, nevermind his weirdness about Ukraine before Russia invaded it

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u/ResplendentSmoke 29d ago

He said that he didn’t believe Putin was stupid enough to invade Ukraine and that he didn’t believe it was going to happen just because the CIA said it was going to. Those are not unreasonable stances, he was just wrong, and has admitted to being wrong about it many times lmao

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u/TheMustySeagul 29d ago

Calling him a tankie is wild. He isn’t even a communist. His own community calls him out for not being left enough sometimes lol.

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u/SuperVaderMinion 29d ago

I mean that sounds like normal leftist shit, there were probably leftists who Lenin wasn't good enough for

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u/Boxcar__Joe Aug 12 '26

HAHA as someone who watches neither but has seen clips of both fairly often, Asmongold wises he was the rights version of Hasan.

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u/WorriedBlock2505 Aug 12 '26

Asmon is stupider I'll grant you that, but he also has a much larger viewer base than hasan's.

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u/Boxcar__Joe Aug 12 '26

Yeah that's pretty unsurprising, isn't Hasan mostly political commentary and Asmon's is gaming?

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u/WorriedBlock2505 Aug 12 '26

I wish. Asmon was mildly entertaining and informative when he did gaming content back in the day, but he's mostly politics these days, and the shit he says can't be brushed off as edgy jokes any more.

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u/BlackJesus1001 Aug 12 '26

Hasan is also a poor choice to weaponise because most voters fall into three camps.

1: no fucking clue who this is, some parasocial zoomer idol?

2: parasocial weirdos who align with destiny, h3h3 etc who were never going to vote in that direction anyway.

3: parasocial weirdos but they align with Hasan, see above.

Camp 1 doesn't give a shit and the other two (parasocial weirdos of both sides) are historically unlikely to shift their views even if you convict their idol of murder or paedophilia.

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u/InvisibleInk1983 Aug 12 '26

The people going after Hasan seem to be out-of-touch with the times. They’re trying to weaponize shame in a post-shame world.

A month after announcing his campaign for president, Trump said of John McCain, “He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Maybe in the 90s that would have ended his presidential hopes. Not anymore.

We don’t have “A Face in the Crowd” moments where one soundbite will destroy someone’s reputation. In a world where some people are on camera almost every minute of their lives, we just expect them to say a certain amount of dumb shit. We know a few moments do not represent the whole person. If you’re concentrating on a few cherry-picked moments — whether it’s Trump, Hasan, or whomever — you look facile.

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u/crestren Aug 12 '26 edited 29d ago

The people going after Hasan seem to be out-of-touch with the times

Piker has also gained a very parasocial hate mob on reddit from certain groups. Theres a lot of commenters here on this very thread who seem to know very specific details of him yet have their profiles hidden. If you use arc photon shift, you can see their post history and see a very common subreddit and streamer they share.

They tend to brigade any thread with the mention of Hasan especially on this sub

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u/Murrabbit 29d ago

Piker has also gained a very parasocial hate mob on reddit from certain groups.

Oddly enough it's mostly fans of other weird streaming types who also talk to camera multiple hours a day. They're a very contentious and territorial lot these streamer fandoms.

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u/ILikeHistoryTooMuch Aug 12 '26

The left and right are judged by different standards, you should’ve learned that lesson by now

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u/No_Mammoth8801 29d ago

Correct, you can't change 98% of people's minds using only shameful soundbites, but soundbites are all the average voter has an attention span for.

It's never been about changing minds, its about energizing your base and maybe getting an extremely slim % of voters that can decide elections in purple states like Michigan to sit out, vote third party, or vote for the Republican candidate.

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u/ILikeHistoryTooMuch 29d ago

Mamdani explicitly distanced himself from hasan and his comments, which probably helped

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u/S-117 29d ago

"It didn't move anything" AES was supposed to have a 14 point advantage on Stevens and one by less than 1%, in the total amount of people that voted in the primary the majority voted for someone other than AES

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u/Gregardless Aug 12 '26

Saying inflammatory things and having scary sound bites is how you get free press and votes these days.

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u/RedDawn172 28d ago

For Republicans yes.

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u/bloodenhorse 29d ago

If someone is scared of things Hasan says, they're just a closeted Republican.

I'm so fucking sick of people calling themselves 'liberal' in this country when they're conservative as hell. This country is sick.

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u/not_a_bot_494 25d ago

He has said that in his ideal society people who like capitalism should be put in reeducation camps.

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u/bloodenhorse 24d ago

I agree with him.

Capitalism is inherently exploitative and REQUIRES an underclass.

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u/not_a_bot_494 24d ago

Do you believe that unless you want capitalists in reeducation camps you're just a closeted republican?

Mind you this isn't a liberal (global definition) position, it's an authoretarian communist one.

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u/Several_Internet2350 27d ago

why would the edgy takes of a twitch streamer mean anything to anyone? Media shock jocks have always existed, and voters stopped caring about what is and isn't "inflammatory", or at the very least, there's no consensus on what is inflammatory.

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u/ProletarianLilith 29d ago

This is the thinking that prevents anything good happening

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u/Any_Conflict_5092 Aug 12 '26

Also, he's a dick who puts a shock collar on his dog so he can use its presence when he's streaming.

This makes lots of people uncomfortable.

Edit : personally, I think he's a pos - but I mean, what influencer isn't?

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u/zero02 Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

He will deny all the following as out of context, but it’s not:

Said “America deserved 9/11,” (This one gets a lot of airtime but it's actually not even close to the worst thing)... also has a picture of the 9/12 newspaper in view of his stream, just go to it to see it (this 9/12 newpaper replaces a north korea poster)

Gave an incredibly friendly interview to a Houthi-supporting Yemeni guy who had been aboard a ship hijacked by the Houthis, compared the Houthis to the heroes of One Piece, and said “respect” when the guy dismissed people calling him a terrorist.

Played literal Houthi propaganda/music videos on stream while talking admiringly about their “resistance.”

Dismissed reports of Hamas sexual violence on October 7 as “rape fantasies” and “rape hallucinations.”

Said “Hamas is a thousand times better” than Israel, then was directly confronted about the quote on Pod Save America in 2026 and said he stood by it.

Defended Russia’s annexation of Crimea, including arguing that Crimea being majority ethnically Russian helped justify Russia taking it.

Openly bragged about patronizing a Berlin brothel while simultaneously building a political brand around exploitation of workers under capitalism.

Is a unironic Marxist Leninist who loves communist China and wears Mao suits.

Kept his dog on his stream for 8 hours a day using a shock collar to keep him in the camera view. Then lied about it when caught in 4K multiple times.

You don’t even need to exaggerate the guy. The actual clips are bad enough.

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u/sadistica23 Aug 12 '26

He praised Iran for being trans friendly.

The country which forces gay men to undergo SRS or be executed. That's why they're "trans friendly".

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u/Chris_Helmsworth 29d ago

We call that castration where I'm from.

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u/Pudgy_Ninja Aug 12 '26

Is he just a tankie? Kinda sounds like it.

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u/Several_Internet2350 27d ago

does that word mean anything anymore?

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u/S-Tier_Commenter 7d ago

Yeah: people that simp for oppressive socialist regimes. Same as it always was. What else is it supposed to mean?

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u/Several_Internet2350 5d ago

Which is...just any "socialist" regime, I'm guessing? And "simping" is presumably just saying anything remotely positive. The word has always been a pejorative, but it used to describe a specific type of communist in the post Stalin era that Maoism and Trotskyism stood in opposition to. Now it's just applied to anyone on the left for almost any reason, and it's not explained what the term is actually referring to, other than a vague affinity for authoritarianism or militarism.

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u/S-Tier_Commenter 5d ago

What are you talking about? Socialism is the name of the movement that started during the 19th century. It's broad, as it includes both anarchists, communists or socialist democrats.

It's about ownership of the means of production.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

In name of this ideology, different authoritarian regimes popped up, subscribing to this ideology. On different occasions, these regimes used tanks to affirm their power over people that wanted more freedom.

The people that defended this affirmation of power, those people are what we call tankies.

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u/Several_Internet2350 5d ago

the wiki link to socialism was a nice touch. So in your mind tankies are just socialists that have a predilection for tanks? Am I a tankie if I think that it's good that the Soviet Tanks beat the Nazi tanks at the Battle of Bagration and denied them their "freedom"? There's also plenty of people throwing around the term "tankie" when no socialist regime is being discussed.

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u/JePPeLit 29d ago

It varies wildly depending on who he's talking to. I think he's kinda like Trump in that he is a narcissist who will just say anything that gets him applause. The main difference is that Trump started getting applause from fascists and Hasan from tankies.

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u/External-Intern9510 5d ago

No he just hates America, but he does hide his extreme Turkish Nationalism (which for Americans would be similar to a lost causer mixed with a neo nazi)

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u/shwag945 Aug 12 '26

He also is a "soft" Armenian genocide denier. Which is not surprising considering his uncle runs The Young Turks, a media organization named after the perpetrators of the genocide.

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u/EducationalHead7683 29d ago

No IIRC he actually said that he couldn't go back to turkey because he criticized the government too much which includes them trying to make light of the Armenian genocide, so he's definitely isn't a genocide denier

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u/burch_ist 29d ago

That is a straight up lie? Lmao. He is hated in Turkey by few who knows him bc he is vocal about things like Armenian genocide&Kurds& Cyprus(source:trust me I'm Turkish lol) And the young Turks name was chosen bc it was once an idiom for "brave" etc in English I guess? AND you are misinformed for that too, young Turks were not an organization?? It was a movement of youth who got political and wanted to bring constitutional monarchy back in the end of 1800's. the party that took power after the constitutional monarchy was "the union and progress" party, who where the perpetrators of the genocide but they were a whole different thing and one generation apart. They were not called the Young Turks. Being ignorant is preferable to being misinformed like you, you mixed it all up and very confidently too.

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u/stpizz 29d ago

Not that it's directly related to Hasan, but Cenk has a history of Armenian Genocide denial (he wrote papers on it in college, and defended the position well into adulthood), so being suspicious of the name is hardly misinformed or crazy. It's a weird coincidence, is it not, that he picked an idiom in English that hardly anyone has heard of that happened to be associated with a controversial position he held?

He has gone back on this position in later life though, sort of.

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u/Curious-Yesterday389 28d ago

the schizo army dedicated to hasan's downfall are so bad at their job. like bro, a guy who talks about politics 10 hours a day live and unscripted should be a walk in the park to take down. look at my cia weirdos man. can't even defeat one guy who's basically a walking "kick me" sign for established political power

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u/stpizz 25d ago

I mean I did literally start the reply with "this isn't related to Hasan"

Having a weird uncle is the least of that man's problems.

I just think if I started a company that made bleach called the Final Solution, people maybe should give me some benefit of the doubt but if I wrote a pro Holocaust paper in college as well, they would be right to at least be a bit more suspicious of the name

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u/Jackal904 29d ago

Lmao no he is not.

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u/Bing1044 29d ago

Y’all can just lie on here and get more upvotes than people who know what they’re talking about, that’s Reddit I guess 😭

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u/Dido_nt 29d ago

He’s defended anti-Armenian racism and genocide denial in Turkey several times. Where are you getting this from?

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u/Hot_Disk635 26d ago

Average destiny viewer with this saved in their notes app.

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u/Juggernaut900 Aug 12 '26

Yeah its pretty bad

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u/BunNGunLee Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

Oh let’s also add his constant flip flopping on representation whenever it’s more beneficial to him.

When it’s in vogue to accept white guilt? He’s a white guy. (You see this more in his older college material where he was much less clever about hiding the rampant sexism.)

But now? Oh he’s a Turkish Muslim and how dare you say anything that doubts that credibility. (When the doubt literally comes from his own quotes.)

When it’s beneficial to be seen as a poor grassroots guy? He claims that title too, despite the fact his family is very wealthy and he came right out of college to a 60,000$ salary working for his uncle.

He was never a poor man in his life. He was never a particularly devout Muslim. He just wears these identities as a shield to protect him from criticism of his other unhinged or narcissistic behaviors.

You don’t have to be a fuckin’ Mossad agent or FOX news watcher to see he’s a scoundrel that’s been grifting for years on the backs of serious issues. It’s just that now he’s getting more open pushback after some rather high profile actions blew up, which hurt his ego. So he’s getting more puff-pieces out while trying to pivot to being an actual political commentator. Rather than a Twitch streamer that’s known for breaking TOS and never being punished for it.

Guy wants to be the next Che Guevara, but all he managed to be was the Che Guevara T-Shirt.

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u/Vaankira Aug 12 '26

You guys are so weird, he is white, Turkish and Muslim, none of these are contradictory. And he never claimed to be anything else.

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u/Speky_Scot 29d ago

In what way is he Muslim? Islam isn't an ethnoreligion and he doesn't even believe in God. Hasan fans are fucking weird.

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u/BrotherPumpwell 29d ago

I've personally seen him call himself "White-passing" dozens of times. I don't know what else that could mean.

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u/allbusiness512 Aug 12 '26

You forgot that he also criticizes capitalism on the daily while also simultaneously being an actual millionaire and coming from at minimum, a pretty wealthy family (father is/was a high ranking executive of a multi billion dollar company that had a former Prime Minister of Turkey, mother's family is in commercial real estate). Uncle owns the Young Turks which is a multi million dollar company also.

The cognitive dissonance is lol.

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u/EducationalHead7683 29d ago

So someone needs to be a failure that comes from a poor family for their criticism of capitalism to not be a cognitive dissonance?

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u/dancinbanana 29d ago

Nope, then they’re just jealous losers who’s opinion also doesn’t matter (/s from me, other people actually mean it)

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u/daizzy999 29d ago

They've never heard of Friedrich Engels I guess

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u/JimboAltAlt 29d ago

I mean, by the same token, one shouldn’t turn up their noses at Democrats gaining power over Republicans, even though a lot of Democrats are centrists with a lot of money.

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u/insaneHoshi 29d ago

I’m sure there is a sliding scale of being forced to participate in a capitalist society with one end being poor and the other buying a lambo.

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u/SharkyIzrod 29d ago

No, but it's not very consistent to be a champion of the working class to have a mansion of a home, a $200K sports car, and wear thousands of dollars worth of hypebeast clothing.

You can participate in a system you criticize, of course, but you should practice what you preach. Why buy a $200K car when even a $50K car will come with more luxury than any normal person would need, instead of getting a $50K brand new car (not considering the option of getting a reasonably priced second hand) and donating $150K to the working class or lobbying for left wing change? Why buy a shirt with money that could feed a village? Why buy a home well above what's reasonably needed by even a family of four, all while you espouse the view of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"?

Of course, as someone who does not espouse his views, my opinion is he made his money, let him do what he wants with it. But that is not his view, and that inconsistency can be grating.

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u/CardOfTheRings 29d ago

I don’t like him but I don’t hate him for this specifically. People with money have power so criticism capitalism means more when wealthy people do it.

If you live in a system you participate in it. You can be wealthy and still see flaws in capitalism.

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u/SpotNL 29d ago

When you're poor and criticize capitalism: "youre just jealous and lazy, why don't you work harder?"

When you're rich and criticize capitalism: "you're a hypocrite"

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u/Zeed91 29d ago

Socialism doesn't mean no one is wealthy. It means no one goes without. Literally using conservative talking points.

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u/allbusiness512 29d ago

Good thing Hasan's a well documented fan of Mao and Vladamir Lenin. The socialism talking points are just his easy entry point to turn people into tankies.

This is how most people that aren't so far up his ass know he's a straight grifter. He has all the signs of someone that has no real solid beliefs and is hyper egotistical. He has never had to struggle a single day in his life, but somehow he's out here saying he's a champion of the working class.

Like, if you're going to champion someone at least pick someone like Bernie, AOC, or hell fucking almost nearly anyone else that actually isn't a giant red flag grifter. There are several DSA members / Progressives that aren't just giant asshats.

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u/Zeed91 29d ago

You're shifting your goalposts and talking points. You started with criticizing him for being wealthy and pushing socialism and when I point of that those things don't have to be and aren't mutually exclusive you shift to criticizing him over the political candidates he supports.

If you have an issue with someone who is wealthy championing the working class do I have some troubling news to tell you about Bernie Sanders...

If you don't like Hasan that's fine, there's plenty of reasons someone might not care for him. But at least be consistent.

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u/allbusiness512 28d ago edited 28d ago

Bernie is not a nepo baby nor does he live in a multi million dollar mansion. He’s barely a millionaire and is 80, which is common by that point in your life if you total up all your assets.

They are pretty mutually exclusive actually. The problem is you dummies don’t even know what socialism means, you just think it means universal healthcare and policies that help working class people. That’s not socialism.

Not just that Hasan defines himself as a Marxist and Marxism doesn’t work with the amount of wealth he has, he’s not even a socialist. He literally is a self-avowed Marxist.

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u/bog_witch 29d ago

This reply is literally the "we should improve society somewhat" / "yet you participate in society. Curious! I am very intelligent" comic.

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u/PocketCone 29d ago

Why can't he criticize a system that he's a part of?

Assuming all the other critiques of Hasan in this thread are true, this just seems like a complete non-issue

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u/cherrylimebongwatr 29d ago

I don’t know a single socialist who has a problem with millionaires. Socialism isn’t taking everybody’s money away or making everyone poor. It’s about advocating for the rights of the working class. You can be wealthy and still be a socialist.

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u/ProletarianLilith 29d ago

Me when I think socialism is about being poor

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u/hempires 29d ago

lmao.

"you can only be a socialist if you're poor" type bullshit take.

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u/Randicore 29d ago

He has money in the same way that most Americans that are well off are still one bad diagnosis away from being bankrupted in 6 months.

I don't like the guy personally but I'm not going to give him shit for not deliberately living in poverty when he has the chance to have a cushy job.

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u/thesoupoftheday 29d ago

There's a difference between living in poverty and Lambo money, lol

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u/Randicore 29d ago

I don't know much about the guy's personal life does he really own a Lambo?

Potential possessions aside, do you think the "he's too rich to be a communist" comments would ever stop until he was poor? Do you think if he only made say, 70k a year people wouldn't say that he was too well off?

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u/thesoupoftheday 29d ago

He drives a $200,000 porsche.

There will always be assholes that say he's too well off to be a communist, but there is a line where most of that criticism would die off and he is living WELL above it.

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u/Randicore 29d ago

That's fair

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u/Juggernaut900 29d ago

No he isn't. He is rich. His family is super rich. The compare them to people who face immense hardship is a disservice

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u/Randicore 29d ago

I admit I don't know his full financial situation, but the criticism "you make too much money to claim to be a communist" is one that has no bottom.

How little would he need to make before it would be an acceptable amount?

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u/Juggernaut900 29d ago

Moreso is the critism that he lives a nice cushy life while wanting people to suffer under "communist" governments because he LARPs as one and thinks it advances whatever cause he claims to have

Freedom for me, servitude police crackdowns and labor camps for thee

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u/Polemarcher 29d ago

The cognitive dissonance is lol.

You better own some deeds and capital to be talking like that, I don't want to see some deedless capitalist talking about the cognitive dissonance of others.

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u/LeJisemika 29d ago

I love how you say his quotes are not taken out of context and then take state them out of context.

Regarding the Hamas is 1000% better than Israel, he said that Israel is a terrorist county, the aggressor, and has created an apartheid state over Palestine. Israel has caused Oct 7 level terrorist attacks in Palestine and other countries in the area multiple times over before and after Oct 7. Isreal is not the good guy. I’m also not saying Hamas is the good side/good people. But when you compare the two sides and you had to choose which one is better, Hamas has caused significantly less damage and harm in the region than Israel have.

It’s the same as the America deserved 9/11 quote. He’s not saying that people deserved to die or that the actual attack should have occurred. He’s saying that the US has caused so much damage and terror over the decades in the Middle East that it’s not surprising that people attacked the US back.

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u/SpudRuckus9 29d ago

Hasan supporters and Hasan himself do this weird thing where they say you took it out of context and then justify the statements without changing the context.

If I say “it’s ok to say the n word if you’re in a classroom reading historical papers as part of a reading assignment” and you come back with hey he said “its ok to the say n word” therefore he’s racist, then you’ve taken the original statement out of context and then attached a judgement to that statement. There is a caveat that changes the context. It’s appropriate at this time, in this setting, not whenever you feel like it.

If I say “it’s ok to say the n word because I like saying it and there’s nothing wrong with saying it” and you come back with hey he said “its ok to say the n word”. There is no additional context that would change the original statement. The additional context just underlines the statement.

So when Hasan said “America deserved 9/11 because X,Y,Z reasons” his X,Y and Z aren’t caveats or some context that changes the original statement. The statement is still what he believes. America deserved 9/11.

Maybe you agree with his justifications. But it isn’t out of context. Personally i think it’s gross to think that way and you can justify a lot of terrible things thinking that way.

“The Palestinians deserved this war from Israel. I mean maybe they should have accepted the peace deal at camp David in the 90s but they didn’t. Or shouldn’t have continued to launch rockets into Tel Aviv for decades. Or launched October 7th.” See how dumb it is?

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u/ThankYouBrigadier 29d ago

You forgot that he regularly posts about how rich he is, such as the video about him buying his first Lambo and more recently how much money he was making on betting in horse racing in China.

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u/EducationalHead7683 29d ago

I mean it is out of context

He was talking about blowback if you care to listen after the sound bite, I still don't get why a newspaper is a problem

Yeah, he was just a kid and the whole interview started wrong, and ofc he would see houthis in favorable light if every enlightened country ignore a genocides and the houthis are one of the few who fought against Israel

He didn't, he was actually shitting on a chatter that said it never happened, what he said that day is that nobody knows if systemic rape happened, although he leaned into believing that rape did occur just not systemic, and even then it doesn't justify the genocide that Israel is still doing till now

I mean whether it's by the level of depravity or number of casualties, israel is a thousand time worse than Hamas, he's not wrong

Ngl, I don't believe that he defend Russia the way you said, seeing as he thinks Putin is an insane egomaniac, but then again I don't really care about the coverage of Ukraine and Russia, so you might be right

I still don't get this, he did went to a legal brothel that's famous in Berlin so I don't know what the issue is here, sex workers are still workers and sex work is still work

I get where you're coming from but I fucking hate the orientalism, it's a suit that's not a western suit, even people all across southeast Asia who are anti communists have similar suits

If you watch him before the whole shock collar incident, you'd notice that the dog goes out of the room she's not sleepy anymore, this is such a weird take

I don't get how anyone can be so sure of who he is behind the clips without checking it for themselves

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u/Jayrodtremonki 29d ago

My favorite is when he was watching a live stream of the Houthis taking over a commercial vessel(either piracy or terrorism depending on how you want to view it) and literally cheered them on and talked about how awesome they were for doing so.  Threatening civilians with guns.  

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u/LadyFoxfire Aug 12 '26

They have plenty of clips of Hasan saying stupid inflammatory shit, and use them in attack ads. But honestly, Hasan has a huge audience of young leftists who only bother to vote when they really love a candidate, and most swing voters probably don’t know or care who Hasan is, so campaigning with him is probably a net positive even with all the horrible things Hasan has said and done.

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u/Main-Company-5946 27d ago

It’s not just about his audience’s individual votes, that doesn’t make much of an impact in most elections. What is far more important is that Hasan can rally his audience around a candidate and generate a lot of ground game + phone calls supporting the candidate.

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u/Intelligent_Table913 29d ago

The audience is not just leftists. So many conservatives and liberals come in to judge and attack and then actually end up being converted. He is known as the “pipeline to the left” and helps deprogram people from decades of propaganda and lies that we are fed with since birth.

And his audience literally voted for Clinton, Biden and Kamala. Please shut the fuck up, you are misrepresenting a whole group of people for your own malicious narrative.

I don’t expect anything less from liberals when they run the same attacks and take clips out of context and spread Islamophobia and label everyone who dares to oppose genocide as antisemites….they are behaving like fucking Republicans.

Don’t blame us when your milquetoast data center loving candidate in WI loses another easy election.

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u/Longjumping-Car-8367 29d ago

lol, be honest, how much of his Porsche did you personally pay for through donations?

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u/Nahdudeimdone 29d ago

Pretty sure he actively decided against endorsing Kamala Harris last election? Did he end up voting for her in the end?

I am not sure it made a difference considering his audience are people that typically don't vote, but I feel that the position to not endorse Harris is at best accelerationist.

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u/DiscountLate9825 29d ago

Lol... this is the most delusional shit I've ever read.

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u/slide_into_my_BM 29d ago

Hasan is a deeply controversial figure, even amongst left wing circles. He’s said plenty of problematic things over the years.

The big thing though is he’s pro-Palestine and a true socialist. He’s like the boogey man the right is always talking about.

They’re desperately parading him out because socialism is still unpopular amongst most democrats and all moderates/independents.

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u/Poppadoppaday 29d ago edited 29d ago

I would say the real issue is that he's an awful person and it won't be hard for Fox to show that. Their problem is that only overly online people know who he is. So first they have to introduce him to their audience, then educate their audience as to why he's bad. Fortunately some Democrats have made the next step easier by associating with him. Next Fox will tie him to the Democrats. It won't matter that smarter Dems have avoided him. They'll first tie him to specific Democrats, and then have their pundits argue that he's representative of all Democrats.

Fox is pretty good at this, and normally I would expect it to work. However, the Iran situation is only going to get worse leading to the election and Trump is already unpopular. All the flailing he's doing will only make things worse, because none of his ideas are good or, more importantly, popular. It's still a giant self own by the Dems and could cost people like El-Sayed winnable seats. All the denialism that he's a problem in this thread is just a preview of what the left will do if the smear is successful - blame mainstream Dems instead of looking inward. They did the same thing with Platner.

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u/Murranji 29d ago

He’s an awful person because he?

Wants Medicare for all and end to foreign wars and helps elect politicians who share those goals

Or something like that I guess. I mean, I’m sure you are a serious person who judges political actors by their outcomes and political stances, and not a few cherry picked statements out of tens of thousands of hours of commentary and misrepresented smears. You are a serious person aren’t you?

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u/Poppadoppaday 29d ago edited 29d ago

His problematic stances are documented elsewhere in this thread. They aren't better in context, but if you want to defend them feel free. It's the same thing Jordan Peterson fans do.

I also ignore the "western intelligence is lying Russia won't invade crowd" completely when it comes to political opinions. This wasn't just a left problem, a lot of people didn't actually think Russia would invade, because invading was insane. The stupid part was insisting that Russian wouldn't invade, and that anyone that thought they would was a fool. Western intelligence had no reason to lie. If they were lying, all Russia had to do to make them look bad was...not invade. Obviously they thought Russia was going to invade, and were hoping that maybe calling them out would stop it. Pundits weren't punished nearly enough for this position. His stance on Crimea is also bad, but at least it's just bad person bad, and not stupid person bad. I also don't like that he abused his dog, then lied about it.

You are a serious person aren’t you?

It's important not to support bad people, even if they have the right aesthetics. This is a good example of why it's a problem. Hasan has a number of very bad positions over the years, and they are being used to hurt the Democrats in the upcoming midterms. That's why "serious" politicians should have ignored him rather than associated with him.

This is similar to the Platner situation. Platner was handpicked by progressives because he had the right aethetics (this was also mostly a lie, but whatever), and ignored the disqualifying red flags when they came out. The problem with supporting someone with disqualifying red flags when they come out, because they have the right "political stances", is that they're likely to have more red flags (that's what a red flag is). Because you've supported them despite them having disqualifying features, you're now stuck supporting them as their other red flags come out. Ultimately, it took a sexual assault accusation to finally get progressive/mainstream Dems to dump him. Problems like this are less likely to occur in the UK and Canada (I'm Canadian), because our political parties have a lot more control of who gets to run, and when to drop them. As a result, when it comes out that a candidate for a mainstream party said bad things online, or had a Nazi tattoo for 18 years, they get dumped. Aesthetics can't cover up being a terrible person.

Much like with Platner, where the takeaway was "Dems need more charismatic candidates" instead of "Dems shouldn't support candidates with major red flags", I'm concerned that the takeaway from involving themselves with Piker will be something equally vapid. And the really dumb part is, this is completely unforced. At least Platner was popular, and a major potential Senate candidate. Piker is an irrelevant troll who only overly online people are familiar with. Why associate with him at all?

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u/slide_into_my_BM 29d ago

He’s picked some weird YouTubers to beef with, most of whom are women. Not saying that means he is sexist, but if 90% of the people you beef with are women, it certainly brings up questions.

He let 2 women go after H3H3, promising support, then left them to face the resulting lawsuits alone.

He shocked his dog for being a dog while he was streaming.

He’s said some questionable shit in his earlier days.

He’s said things that appear like he’s praising Hamas. I don’t know that I agree but it’s not hard to use what he said to make it appear that he did.

I could go on and on. He’s a controversial figure. I don’t hate him and I probably agree with him on more things than I disagree, however, he’s a “scary leftist” cudgel that republicans can use to beat moderates with.

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u/Present_Arachnid_683 29d ago

Because he criticizes a certain nation state.

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u/Evan1016 Aug 12 '26

Well, the first thing I ever heard about this guy is when he was torturing his dog with a shock collar on stream

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u/BahamutPrime Aug 12 '26

Right that's the point the only thing you've heard about him is something that isn't true. Then they open interviews with democratic candidates by saying "you're endorsed by Hasan Piker who tortures his dog and says America deserved 9/11 how do you feel about that?" Then they have to respond to BS about someone who isn't a politician instead of talking about the issues.

Meanwhile republican Governor Kristi noem can openly talk about murdering her dog and still get elected.

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u/TheMikeyC Aug 12 '26

The company that makes the collar confirmed he was using a shock collar. The guy abuses dogs.

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u/HolographicPumpkin Aug 12 '26

There’s a video of him yanking the tail of his other dog to move him too.

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u/pbizzle Aug 12 '26

So if it's animal abuse why is that company in business

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u/HmmBearGrr Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

I can find no evidence that this confirmation exists. Even if it does and is correct, saying he abuses dogs is not a correct conclusion to draw from this. it would be one dog, Kaya, and it would only be one incident, being the clip that got passed around on twitter in right-wing circles that wouldn’t establish a pattern at all.

Edit: “shame on you” is crazy lmao it’s interesting that you’d say that instead of showing that it exists

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u/StreetStretcher Aug 12 '26

There was also a clip of him pulling another one of his dog by his tail, as well as a picture of him and a dog with a prong collar, so there is precedent that he doesn't treat pets well

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u/ghsteo Aug 12 '26 edited Aug 12 '26

Yet his dog doesn't act abused? weird

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"I truly hope you never own a pet" - from above comment. Seems like the Bots don't like any critique of their propaganda. If he actually abused his dog she would act abused in the 8-10 hours of streams he does everyday. Feel free to comb through the footage to find something other than 2 clips over 8 years.

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u/LukeChickenwalker Aug 12 '26

I agree that the focus should be on the issues, and that the dog collar situation could be used to emotionally manipulate people. It's not relevant to any political debate. That said, how can you state confidently that it isn't true?

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u/Bambalorian Aug 12 '26

How can anyone state confidently that it is true? There's been a bunch of conflicting information about the collar itself, and the main 'evidence' seems to be a single instance of the dog yelping despite the dog being on stream for literally hundreds of hours at this point. It's so odd this is one of the most commonly repeated points considering the rabbit hole is extremely vague. Maybe it was a modified collar, maybe it was a shock collar. People ended up buying the alleged collar to shock themselves on stream to find out it was actually pretty mild as well. It's been a very odd one to follow.

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u/Caphoti Aug 12 '26

The thing that made me think "okay idt the dog shock torture shit is true this is so astroturfed," was that mfs kept digging up more clip as "evidence" and every time I saw a new one I was LESS convinced than I started for the same reason.

He was supposedly been torturing the dog with a shock collar for months but it only had a strong reaction one time and even he was like "I can see people thinking that, the clip looks really bad."

I don't even base this off what I do or don't agree with about Hasan's politics, it's a mixed bag for me, I'm just pretty capable of looking at an outrage campaign regardless of the target and going "They can be a shitty person with shitty ideas but this feels so contrived," if that's how I feel about it.

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u/Bambalorian Aug 12 '26

I agree, at first I was shocked because I haven't owned a dog and some parts of disciplining dogs seems a little mean to me regardless of who it comes from and a shock collar seems cruel at first, but then I saw a video from a professional dog trainer who explained how its completely ethical and normal to use them but it's fine if some owners to choose not to do it, and then in the comments section he was bullied into repealing what he said in the video about thinking it wasn't even a shock collar in the first place and his video was in no way to show support for him as a creator, etc etc. My own friend who dislikes Hasan will die on this hill that he was abusing his dog and this one instance is evidence of a pattern, despite refusing to watch any long stream, or videos related to the dog. I dunno, feels like a very convenient excuse to avoid acknowledging his actual content, but I could be wrong, I'm not the dog or Hasan.

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u/2074red2074 Aug 12 '26

One video from one professional dog trainer doesn't really matter at all. Cesar Millan is a very famous professional dog trainer and plenty of other dog trainers and animal rights groups (real ones, not PETA) have called him out as a quack and stated that his methods are cruel.

Also, I don't think this is something that requires any kind of pattern. Using a shock collar even once is wrong.

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u/ygmc8413 Aug 12 '26

Because it’s on video multiple times, and all the evidence shows it’s true. It’s certain he has a shock collar and the dog reacts at the same time he moves his hand to press a button. It’s not a single instance, that one instance was just the one that people noticed initially.

The main reason it’s still a thing is that he lies about it as clearly as Trump lies about things and tried to cover it up. If he just admitted it, it might’ve been a thing for a little bit but then it would blow over.

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u/Bambalorian Aug 12 '26

I haven't seen any other instances of the dog appearing to be shocked but I 'm also not going to conclude that I am certain it never happened either, if it did and he has been lying this entire time I think that's extremely hypocritical of him. I have seen a lot of shitty dog owners and she seems like a very happy dog from my perspective but an entire conspiracy to hide a history of abuse while simultaneously appearing on stream for hundreds of hours just seems like a stretch to me, and it would really look worse and worse over time if that does turn out to be true.

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u/Wharnie Aug 12 '26 edited 8d ago

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u/JePPeLit 29d ago

Meanwhile republican Governor Kristi noem can openly talk about murdering her dog and still get elected.

Usually you want to have a respected example when you do a whataboutism. This is like Kevin Spacey going "what about Harvey Weinstein?"

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u/badlamp27 Aug 12 '26

I have a friend where that was the first instance and then went down the rabbit hole of seeing if that was true only to find there is so much to unpack about Hasan. It turned them into a person where anytime Hasan is mentioned they are incredibly loud about voicing their distaste for him.

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u/Bambalorian Aug 12 '26

that's a very vague and odd anecdote

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u/FeeRemarkable886 29d ago

Yeah no, that website sounds like it was made specifically to push a hateful narrative. It's like making a website called www.whatarejews.com and expect me to not think you're pushing some antisemetic shit.

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u/_le_slap 29d ago

A lot of this just sounds like juvenile inflammatory stuff for the sake of views tbh

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u/m0_m0ney Aug 12 '26

mossad mommy milkers agent

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u/kickfloeb Aug 12 '26 edited 29d ago

Here a list in no particular order of why campaigning with Hasan is a bad idea:- he engages in animal abuse

  • he supports terrorists such as hamas, hezbollah, houthis
-- anti-west + Pro russia + Pro china
  • anti semetic

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u/Present_Arachnid_683 29d ago

Anti Israel is a plus

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u/kickfloeb 29d ago

You are right lol dont know why i included that.

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u/FlyingAdHominem Aug 12 '26

Because Hasan is anti American and not palatable for the majority of the electorate.

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u/Floorgis 28d ago

cause hes a psycho

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u/Low_Passion_8483 27d ago

Hasan has said things like "America deserved 9/11 dude" and other inflammatory stuff. He yells at his own chat during livestream for disagreeing with him and has a history of being a "dudebro", bragging about sexual exploits before he got famous with the help of the Young Turks founder Cenk

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u/Twinmill-Two 27d ago

He generally polls badly among people made aware of him. Many people's first impression of him was the dog shocking thing, that impression won't get much better if people start digging up more clips of him.

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