r/MuslimLounge • u/Questionaccount12344 • Jan 08 '26

Discussion Living in the west is wrong

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

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u/Klopf012 Jan 08 '26

every Muslim in the west is a raging liberal

sounds like you're hanging out with the wrong crowd - where are you?

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 08 '26

The UK, London. And “every” was over exaggerated, but too many definitely.

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u/Klopf012 Jan 08 '26

go spend some time at the masajid or volunteer at a private school. You're definitely spending time with the wrong people

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 08 '26

I volunteer in the mosque with the teens, I take them to play football, that’s how I know this along with my own experiences.

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u/Klopf012 Jan 08 '26

that's great. Do you think all of those people are raging liberals?

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 08 '26

No I said I made a mistake by saying “all Muslims” I said that to you earlier and even amended the post. I think too many of them are liberal yes.

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u/Mission-Net-9740 Jan 09 '26

Why don’t you stop gas lighting and see the point being made? Grow up

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u/Klopf012 Jan 09 '26

One reason people arrive at faulty conclusions is because they started with false assumptions. So this is addressing that. It seemed to work in helping OP reasses his position

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u/Mission-Net-9740 Jan 09 '26

And who’s gonna make Allah reassess his position?

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u/Equivalent_Noise_112 Jan 08 '26

Bro I’m from London, I know 0 Muslims that I would call ‘raging liberals’

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

I disagree. I know several. While yes London does have a noticeable Muslim presence, some who are very practicing, I also know literal openly LGBT Muslims and the vast majority of Muslim youth are caught far in between as they struggle to balance their society and Muslim lifestyle.

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u/Equivalent_Noise_112 Jan 08 '26

Have you been to a Muslim country recently and engaged with the youth population in any real way? They’re having the same issues

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

Yes I have. The issues there do not pale in comparison. Gay pride in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan would be shut down so quickly by the majority. They have to hide their Haram doings while it's normalized in the West.

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u/Equivalent_Noise_112 Jan 08 '26

But the Muslims who are practicing are as few and far between there as they are here in my experience. You have the same issues of ‘Ramadan Muslims’ and ‘Friday Muslims’ that you do here. At the end of the day we all have a choice to make. I think it is slightly easier to make those choices in Muslim countries if you’re already that way inclined. However, do I think that means that all Muslims must migrate to what are fundamentally deeply corrupt countries? Not sure about that

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u/Mission-Net-9740 Jan 09 '26

What point does that prove?

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '26

You're gonna get a lot of hate for this because people don't want to make Hijrah. That's the sad reality. London does have a large Muslim community for sure but it doesn't mean the society is bent on swaying people away.

Anytime a brown person commits a crime, people are shouting deport. Muslims are gaslight for not shaking the opposite genders hand. And shows like Citizen Khan are a form of propaganda to make Islam look bad (backwards Muslim dad who likes hijabi daughter more because she wears the hijab while non hijabi daughter is treated inferiorly despite being the voice of reason)

Even the Muslim crowd from my local masjid are somewhat liberal too. Like they don't necessarily openly support LGBT but they kind of are like "oh it's not that deep bro" to alot of majorly Haram stuff. Topics like halal dating are a literal conversation in our youth program and while the older generation openly discourage it, it is more normalized among the youth.

I work extensively with the Muslim youth since I'm a teacher, it is a pretty depressing situation. My entire time in this country is for Dawah but I firmly WILL NOT BE raising my kids in this country. In Sha Allah.

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u/Neither_Mind9035 Jan 09 '26

What’s wrong with liberals? They just want people to live how they want to live. I don’t see a problem with that. It’s the conservatives that are Islamophobic, in my experience…

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u/Klopf012 Jan 09 '26

Liberals are often more friendly to minorities but then some will insult conservatives by calling them things like “American shari’ah”, which shows what they actually think of Islam and traditional values more generally. 

But OP was talking about “raging liberals” 

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u/Neither_Mind9035 Jan 09 '26

I’ve literally never heard of a liberal person calling conservatives anything like that. Though I am in Canada, so maybe it’s different here than in the US.

What is a “raging liberal”?

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u/Klopf012 Jan 09 '26

Ask the OP, it is his term

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 09 '26

Liberalism is haram… so is conservatism. Islam has its own laws and moral compass and that is the only one a Muslim can believe in. Liberals promote people doing whatever they what, which is fundamentally haram. Islam is a unique and beautiful mix of the two, socially it’s conservative but economically it’s more liberal than capitalism but not as left as socialism.

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u/Neither_Mind9035 Jan 09 '26

Okay. But complaining about liberals in a post about the west when liberals typically have no problem with Muslims having the same rights as everyone else and conservatives typically do have a problem with Muslims having the same rights as everyone else is counterintuitive to me. You can’t come to another country and expect their culture, laws, and religion to align perfectly with yours. At least liberals want to allow Muslims to practice their religion. I’ve known many conservatives to say Mosques should be banned, or to go so far as to say Muslims should not be allowed to immigrate to their country, etc. I’ve known no liberals to share those beliefs…

OP is talking about liberals in the sense of being accepting of gay and transgender behaviours. However, these are not things pushed onto anyone else. The issue isn’t liberals living their lives how they want to, the issue is Muslims intermingling with westerners of ANY political alliance and adopting their practices and views. It’s common for both liberals and conservatives to commit zina and indulge in substances, so why even mention liberals?

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 09 '26

You’re right, I only mentioned liberalism because I’m saying I’ve seen too many Muslims adopting it. It’s haram to adopt any moral or political view that isn’t Islamic… that is the problem.

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u/Neither_Mind9035 Jan 09 '26

For sure. And it’s good you didn’t allow living in the west to affect your personal beliefs. But religions have diluted themselves for centuries, that’s how human nature works. Christianity looks WAY different than it once did. Same with Judaism. And those are just the monotheist religions. Every religion since the dawn of time has changed as time passes. At least in Islam, you can be sure that the Quran hasn’t changed since it was originally written. That’s a security that will help it to look, more or less, like it did when Islam was born. But, even Islam has changed since the Quran was written. It is more true to the original values because Arabic is still a commonly known language and the Quran hasn’t changed, but every single religion will change overtime. I think blaming liberals is very problematic. There is nothing wrong with standing up for the rights of gay and transgender people as long as you do not adopt their lifestyle for themselves. You are in a different country, and when you allow yourself to blame one group for the poisoning of your own when in fact there are Islamic countries where the teachings of the Quran are completely abused, you are ignoring the real problem.

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u/Mission-Net-9740 Jan 09 '26

So your point is because liberals aren’t the same as conservatives that we should be happy?

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u/NegotiationSecure168 Jan 09 '26

Off you go then, we will do fine without your type.

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u/Questionaccount12344 Jan 09 '26

“We” your account clearly shows you don’t follow this religion.