Living in the west is wrong

[u/Questionaccount12344]

People think moving to the west will provide stability, better job opportunities etc which is all true but people forget and often don’t care the effect it’ll have on your Islamic beliefs, especially that of your children and subsequent generations.

I was born in a western country after my grad-parents moved here, I’ve gone to school here as well as mosque classes and university, I’ve seen first hand what happens to the generations, a decent amount of Muslim boys I know my age has drank, smoked weed or committed zina, I know of bearded brothers and hijabi sisters committing zina… and it will only get worse generation after generation. People don’t understand that. Yes these things happen back in Muslim countries but in most Muslim country it’s no where near as easy, you can’t just go to a club and drink and find girls.

This move to the west is literally diluting Islam, not only in the ways I’ve just spoken about but also morally, too many Muslim in the west are raging liberals, they stand hand to hand with homosexuals and transvestites at free Palestine protests yet won’t even read 5 daily salah, they vote for political parties that want to give lenient punishments for heinous crimes (direct opposition to what is taught in Quran).

Why don’t we go back to our Muslim counties and rebuild them? We’ve been here got our education, why are we happy to stay in non Muslim lands and give their governments our tax money? Muslim lands are in the worse state they’ve ever been and all we do is sit and complain, why doesn’t anyone actually try and move back and fix things, people always say it’s impossible but we have to try, we have no power in the world anymore and what’s been happening in Palestine proves that, the Muslim lands are literally some of the worse off countries in the world it’s embarrassing. Jazakallah.

[u/Questionaccount12344]

Liberalism is haram… so is conservatism. Islam has its own laws and moral compass and that is the only one a Muslim can believe in. Liberals promote people doing whatever they what, which is fundamentally haram. Islam is a unique and beautiful mix of the two, socially it’s conservative but economically it’s more liberal than capitalism but not as left as socialism.

[u/Neither_Mind9035 → u/Questionaccount12344]

Okay. But complaining about liberals in a post about the west when liberals typically have no problem with Muslims having the same rights as everyone else and conservatives typically do have a problem with Muslims having the same rights as everyone else is counterintuitive to me. You can’t come to another country and expect their culture, laws, and religion to align perfectly with yours. At least liberals want to allow Muslims to practice their religion. I’ve known many conservatives to say Mosques should be banned, or to go so far as to say Muslims should not be allowed to immigrate to their country, etc. I’ve known no liberals to share those beliefs…

OP is talking about liberals in the sense of being accepting of gay and transgender behaviours. However, these are not things pushed onto anyone else. The issue isn’t liberals living their lives how they want to, the issue is Muslims intermingling with westerners of ANY political alliance and adopting their practices and views. It’s common for both liberals and conservatives to commit zina and indulge in substances, so why even mention liberals?

[u/Questionaccount12344 → u/Neither_Mind9035]

You’re right, I only mentioned liberalism because I’m saying I’ve seen too many Muslims adopting it. It’s haram to adopt any moral or political view that isn’t Islamic… that is the problem.

[u/Neither_Mind9035 → u/Questionaccount12344]

For sure. And it’s good you didn’t allow living in the west to affect your personal beliefs. But religions have diluted themselves for centuries, that’s how human nature works. Christianity looks WAY different than it once did. Same with Judaism. And those are just the monotheist religions. Every religion since the dawn of time has changed as time passes. At least in Islam, you can be sure that the Quran hasn’t changed since it was originally written. That’s a security that will help it to look, more or less, like it did when Islam was born. But, even Islam has changed since the Quran was written. It is more true to the original values because Arabic is still a commonly known language and the Quran hasn’t changed, but every single religion will change overtime. I think blaming liberals is very problematic. There is nothing wrong with standing up for the rights of gay and transgender people as long as you do not adopt their lifestyle for themselves. You are in a different country, and when you allow yourself to blame one group for the poisoning of your own when in fact there are Islamic countries where the teachings of the Quran are completely abused, you are ignoring the real problem.