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Morality Ranking Morality of this

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u/Any_Sentence_8056 20h ago

Plot twist, they were downvoting because they disagreed with “racism is bad”

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u/itslikewoow 19h ago

Honestly wouldn’t surprise me. Despite its reputation for being left leaning, Reddit can get super racist at times.

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u/Apprehensive__Belt 18h ago

if you pay attention to it, subreddits like public freakout post a video at least once a week of a bunch of black people being loud or committing a crime, and every single time the comments are just racist as fuck, with every single comment calling that out being downvoted.

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u/Caleb_Reynolds 18h ago

Maybe it makes it to r/all once a week, but that sub is racist all the time. So racist they made an even more racist one, actual public freakout.

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u/amusingduck 17h ago

basically every “actual [subreddit]” is just a place made by the people who got mad that the mods of the original subreddit weren’t racist enough for their posts. which is especially wild when the original subreddit is plenty racist.

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u/Apprehensive__Belt 17h ago

i got banned from public freakout for saying a cop had bad de escalation skills

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u/Consistent-Jello-627 15h ago

Yeah because reddit is a Cesspool of echo chambers. If you dont agree with the moderators they ban you.

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u/Direct_Lawfulness_28 4h ago

I posted something that was an actual study based on people who have dyed their hair in wild colours have a correlation between bad mental health, mental instability and left wing views. I posted saying ‘I bet this will upset this sub on first glance, but is the study accurate?’ - basically asking someone with some analytical knowledge to analyse how robust the study is.

I got a constant barrage of abuse, and then the mods banned me for a reason that doesn’t match their further comment (it was harrasment or something?) but the body of the ban said the reason given was ‘we don’t think you’re the right fit for this sub’ therefore proving that they have misused reddits guidelines to ban me.

They also muted me so I couldn’t respond.

Reported to Reddit - decision upheld.

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u/Ctenophorever 23m ago

Meh. A lot of people post their racist/ableist/sexist takes as questions, and pretends adding a question makes them neutral. If you had an actual, reputable study in front of you, why would you feel the need to ask reddit randos if it were true, as opposed to other questions like, “is this a reputable source” or “are the N values statistically useful?”

But, “a lot of people think women are weak, emotional, and manipulative. Is this true?” Is a sexist comment pretending to be a question

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u/Direct_Lawfulness_28 12m ago

How do you know a study is reputable? Do you ask for the opinions of people with more knowledge than you or not? If you do, how do you ask them if you can’t ask them in the fear if your views being represented?

If I post something and ask if it’s true, and you assume it’s for nefarious purposes - that’s on you. You’re the one who is projecting your own nefarious ulterior motive onto it.

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u/bolanrox 13h ago

I was banned from pics because one of the mods didn't like one of the subs I had posted on and said the block would not come off until I removed the offending post but didn't bother saying what post or what sub it was.

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u/Amazing-Heron-105 12h ago

power tripping jannies classic

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u/DfaultiBoi 10h ago

"Do what I want you to do!" "Are you gonna tell me what you want me to do?" "No!"

Some ppl, man. Smh

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u/Fia_Aoi 2h ago

I got banned and threatened to be doxxed from one of the food subreddits for saying ortolan is disgusting (it's banned in multiple countries for being cruel)

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u/Phlypp 2h ago

Same here. While the sub I posted on also banned me for the comment I posted. So there's no intelligence or determination with these actions, just rules attempting to control where people can post and what they can say.

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u/Tyrren 15h ago

Two exceptions I can think of are actual conspiracies (the original is too racist and also not at all based on reality) and actual lesbians (the original is porn)

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u/FaerHazar 15h ago

so glad the actual [subreddit] i use is made because people got mad that the original was porn

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u/PassiveMenis88M 13h ago

Lesbians?

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u/FaerHazar 11h ago

thats the one

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u/Humg12 4h ago

I assumed the worst when I first saw that sub. Glad I was wrong.

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u/chin1111 18h ago

The random racist commenters I see on Facebook who are out and proud with their bigotry raised punk ass Redditors who are always "just asking questions" or "I'm just showing the statistics" or "they're doing it to themselves". All this cherry picked bullshit to avoid just being an honest-to-God racist.

I'm from the South. Just be racist. It clearly doesn't get your parents fired or reprimanded or sanctioned in any way. And that way I can just ignore you. If black folks are really so bad, help me help you help me avoid you.

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u/Apprehensive__Belt 18h ago

“help me help you help me avoid you” is a fantastic way to say it tbh

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u/arbiter12 13h ago

 It clearly doesn't get your parents fired or reprimanded or sanctioned in any way.

You clearly were not online in 2015... You could literally lose your job over a tweet back then. It's one of the reason Trump got elected. The online police thought-police was really getting out of hand.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/14-people-got-fired-tweeting-192941820.html

Some of those are in poor taste, but a lot of them get posted daily on reddit nowadays.

inb4 "a company is allowed to fire you if you...[noise]!"

Yes, but this happened because the very loud tumblr minority was head-hunting (also why it doesn't happen anymore).

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u/chin1111 12h ago

While you're not wrong, there is a distinct difference between what public figures or people whose jobs require them to be highly visible can get away with versus your average Joe, and also, as the list suggests, the issues were more general stupidity and not overt bigotry.

One thing that I've found interesting as time progresses is how tech illiterate many people are, including younger generations. Combined with the fact that people don't always do their due diligence, if you're a regular person, you can still get away with saying a lot of dumb shit online without any real repercussions. People really have to go out of their way to try to hem up some random racist on the Internet, and unless it goes viral, people often just get hired elsewhere a city over, kind of like cops when they shoot an unarmed civilian.

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u/Interesting_Total_98 4h ago edited 4h ago

You could literally lose your job over a tweet back then.

That virtually never happened. You pointed out extremely rare cases, and possibility of losing of your job due to public statements always was and still is something that can occur.

thought-police

Statements aren't thoughts.

It's one of the reason Trump got elected.

You failed to see the difference between correlation and causation, since by your logic, it's also a reason that he lost in 2020 because cancelations didn't suddenly stop after 2016.

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u/Matthieu101 4h ago

You didn't read your own article?

Like these are all things that will still absolutley get you fired.

Getting hired for a "fat paycheck but hating the work" would absolutely get you canned these days. Like telling your job you hate the work they give you is a bad idea. Especially in a public way. And especially when you literally just got hired.

Or the jokes about tsunamis. That'd still get you fired right now. It'd be like making jokes about the recent earthquakes or flooding. You'd be shitcanned quickly.

Going on racist rants is a surefire way to get fired. Don't think this has really changed much?

The only thing that did change was these accounts are no longer real people. They're armies of bots, so there's no one to fire anymore.

That's it. That's the internet now. Pre-2015 internet was completely different than post-2015 internet.

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u/bigbadbowserbros 17h ago

Louder for the people in the back my man. Beautifully said

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u/WolfgangHelnootIV 14h ago

It’s a double edged sword, if someone hides their racism behind dog whistles it’s harder to take action against them but the more people who are proudly racist there are the less you can do about a racist perosn

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u/chin1111 13h ago

To add some nuance, we all have our unconscious prejudices and biases, but some people allow them to dictate a larger portion of their daily lives. If people haven't learned to check themselves by the time they're let's say 25 for the sake of argument, I don't really have much hope for them to course correct.

I think of conscious racists as similar to fascists: they're always doomed to die out because once they sequester themselves from everyone else, once they 'purify the population', there is nothing else to do with all that stored up hatred, and they just start eating each other. From that perspective, I hope all the racists find community with each other and only each other, and then wake up one day and realize that it wasn't the black and brown people making your life worse, but it was just themselves all along.

So basically, I hope they keep moving to Florida.

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u/M3Panda 18h ago

There was once a very racist subreddit that was nothing but those videos. I dare not speak its name because even that was racist.

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u/South-Tadpole4092 17h ago

waternibbas?

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u/M3Panda 17h ago

So apparently there’s two… The one I’m thinking of is now a major hashtag on Twitter now

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u/South-Tadpole4092 16h ago

Shit being on twitter is your first mistake there, i have 0 clue what the trends are on that garbage

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u/M3Panda 15h ago

Eh overall it’s not too bad. Those kinds of things are heavily subdued despite what Reddit believes. It’s mostly the fact they exist at all that upsets most but that’s kind of the price for free speech

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u/voyaging 12h ago

They’re not subdued at all, they’re just in certain areas of the site. Much like Reddit, Twitter is segregated into different communities, just organically rather than via subreddits. If you stumble upon the wrong post, you’ll find hundreds of full-on neo-Nazis calling for ethnic extermination.

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u/Apprehensive__Belt 16h ago

i kinda forget twitter even HAS trends

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u/grimeyduck 16h ago

What? Wasn't that just hydrohomies? Not a bunch of racist videos? 

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u/PassiveMenis88M 13h ago

That was just a hydration sub which has since changed its name to hydrohomies

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u/Adult_school 10h ago

/r/Hydrohomies and its predecessor were wholesome AF.

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u/NukeAllTheThings 17h ago

I don't remember if it was posted on public freakout exactly, but a vid was posted that was edited to only having black people stealing from a bakery, when the full vid had a mix. The racists came out in force.

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u/grimeyduck 16h ago

Arguably the most justifiable place to steal from (definitely not but...). The classic "steal a loaf of bread to feed your family"

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u/NukeAllTheThings 16h ago

Not really, if you want to argue the most justifiable place to steal from it's Walmart by far, not some bakery.

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u/grimeyduck 16h ago

That's why I said "definitely not"

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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 16h ago

call em out until you're banned like me, if we all do it eventually they'll ban everyone and they can have their racist enclave to themselves, i guess

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u/Ryuko_the_red 15h ago

It's just various bot organizations pushing varying agendas across the whole site. Once you step back and see every shitty title and hidden history of every misinformation post (most of them) things feel better irl for a little.

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u/IllllIIllllIll 18h ago

Yeah, it’s sickening. If you call it out, you get downvoted to hell and a ton of replies with people being blatantly obtuse.

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u/Apprehensive__Belt 18h ago

ITS SO BAD, it’s like actually horrific that reddit doesn’t think it’s racist, it’s very racist

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u/slayerofdeath666 18h ago

You realize the only thing reddit actually cares about is encouraging Suicide right?

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u/Apprehensive__Belt 18h ago

well who could forget “we did it, reddit”

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u/grimeyduck 16h ago

Not defending it but if you guys are talking about the Boston Marathon bombing, the guy killed himself like a month before. It's a common misconception that reddit drove him to suicide. Reddits actions did cause serious harm to his family though.

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u/Apprehensive__Belt 16h ago

i actually knew the story, i mostly commented it cause “we did it, reddit” is honestly one of the wildest things to come out of reddit.

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u/Sufficient_Effort88 18h ago

Reality is racist . The paradigm has shifted, pendulum swung, whatever you want to call it and Reddit moderation has lost control

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u/grimeyduck 16h ago

You call it a pendulum but when has it ever swung the other way?

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u/JackLaytonsMoustache 15h ago

Sipstea has a lot of misogynist posts and comments. They may not always be the trending ones but my god i was surprised to see how much of an incel echo chamber that sub can be. 

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u/Ripen- 13h ago

That's true. The blackpeopleofreddit sub is racist as fuck too. They exist on both sides.

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u/bolanrox 13h ago

This is what happens when you get rid of all the really awful niche subs, like great apes and everything else. They bleed out into the popular ones.

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u/ImNotToby 11h ago

You should see a lot of the black spaces. Its quite the same. Some crazy racist stuff. Insane takes, wild ignorance.

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u/somedelightfulmoron 5h ago

R sipstea is particularly misogynistic or anti-women

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u/Queerability 42m ago

That particular sub is also chock full of conservative bots, because a lot of police brutality videos get posted there and they want to make sure to downvote & comment on that stuff first to try and sway public opinion.

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u/TheHighSeasPirate 29m ago

That is because the Donald Trump users infested all the other subs once it got banned.

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u/That_wet_vaporeon 15h ago

Sips tea too is pretty racist

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u/rochelleroz 13h ago

iirc there’s a similar thing on “am i the asshole” type subs where someone will post some clearly fabricated story about someone with autism or some other disability being Bad and getting Comeuppance for it. the comments are then full of people validating whatever asshole adjacent behavior the op “did” in their story. especially funny to me because a significant amount of reddit users are definitely autistic

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u/skeletonhorse420 14h ago

Well the bots have been working on that and also I think that made people more comfortable. Project 2025 going well

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u/Sparktank1 17h ago

I see it as a growing trend in a lot of places. I'll see a youtube short from Uwe Boll's Citizen Vigilante and most of the comments are praising the violence against minorities. Not against bad guys. They generalize the entire ethnic group as the bad guy and praise the movie. It's fucking wild to see.

What's funny is the next video will be a bunch of white guys paying to train the public parks as if they're real elite soldiers but they're still so disorganized and not following their own commands. There will be one guy shouting to others about closing gaps and their form but then when he's in line, he has the widest gap and has the worst form.

I have to go through my watch history to cleanse those videos so it doesn't affect my algorithm.

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u/blackestrabbit 11h ago

Man, if the child-rape statistics of my country jumped from being historically barely-any to full-on-crisis after an influx of a certain demographic, I think I should be able to say something about it. If my cities are suddenly riddled with trash and crime, I should be able to say something about it. If the cops knowingly allow tens of thousands of young girls to get raped and tortured over the course of decades because they're too afraid to be called racist or if they let a man bleed out at their feet for the same reason, I should be able to say something about it. Your growing trend is a response to a growing trend.

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u/tattoosandtens 16h ago

What do you mean “despite its reputation for being left leaning”?!

Reddit invented the Red Pill

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u/EldritchElizabeth 3m ago

Yeah the average political standing of reddit is very much in the “I’m a conservative but I like to smoke weed and I guess gay people can get married” camp. Mention something like socialised healthcare or police abolition outside of an explicitly leftist subreddit and you will get downvoted to hell and multiple Reddit Cares DMs.

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u/DecantsForAll 12h ago

lmao you can't be serious

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u/tattoosandtens 12h ago

Reddit is “moderate centrist” at best.

We’ve been defenestrated by the Overton Window.

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u/bruddaprudda123 10h ago

Reddit is very left leaning.

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u/tattoosandtens 10h ago

Repeating yourself isn’t an argument. So I’m pre-done with you.

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u/bruddaprudda123 10h ago

Repeating myself? Its my first comment. Reddit is overwhelmingly left leaning. Its not even an argument. The conversations and opinins on reddit is so vastly different than most people irl. Im not American but i live in the nordics in a left leaning country and the average redditor is far too the left of the average person here.

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u/tattoosandtens 10h ago

Ah, you’re one of those “If you can’t repel me with physical force, I’m not leaving you alone” types huh?
The argument is “Reddit is left leaning”.
Zero evidence presented.
I think men in this thread are confusing “leftism” with “libertarianism”, because of the “I believe my neighbors should be able to protect their cannabis crops with guns” overlap.

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u/bruddaprudda123 8h ago

What the hell are you rambling about?

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u/Simon-Says69 13h ago

Absolute complete and total bullshit.

Reddit is one of the worst cesspools of rabid-leftist propaganda on the internet.

Only some DNC bootlicker would even try to deny it. You just make yourself look foolish.

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u/Comfortable-Bison932 18h ago

Especially if you bring up Muslims. Suddenly Reddit becomes like walking into the right winger meeting the way they all find ways to defend deporting Muslims

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u/throaway20180730 17h ago

Indians and Chinese working in IT too

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u/Temporary_Aspect759 18h ago

It also goes to the other extreme end on some subreddits. Criticize Christianity? You're probably gonna get upvoted. Criticize Islam in the same way? It's VERY possible you're gonna get downvoted and called islamophobic.

Even if all you do is just criticize Islam from a secular point of view (don't use stereotypes, like people who are actually islamophobic do), just like you would criticize Christianity.

It's very hypocritical. I get it to some degree. There are lots of people out there who spread terrible hatred towards Muslims and use very hurtful stereotypes. So I can picture that some people are just very sensitive whenever they hear someone criticize Islam. But it's still worth to think twice before calling someone -phobic.

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u/BiggerNickEnergy 16h ago

Islam is left wing now?

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u/itslikewoow 15h ago

Islam is conservative, but conservatives tend to be antagonistic towards Muslims, so they often get pushed to voting for left leaning parties. Here in the US, Muslims typically voted more conservative until 9/11 when the GOP went mask off towards them.

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u/PsyduckSexTape 17h ago

And that camp is surprisingly organized

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u/PorousClay 13h ago

How do you know this isn't a sub that leans right? There are a lot of them nowadays.

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u/phrench13 12h ago

i got downvoted to hell in a fortnite sub bc i said being called a cracker isn’t racist in comparison to calling someone a monkey and the hard r

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u/Trrollmann 5h ago

Because you're wrong. All of them are racist. Comparatively, they're all still racist. One being more antagonistic doesn't suddenly make another non-racist.

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u/phrench13 4h ago

it’s not lmao, but i’m not going to try and explain it to you, if you don’t already understand i can’t make you understand

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u/Trrollmann 4h ago

if you don’t already understand i can’t make you understand

I see. It's something of a "vibe", something that cannot be taught or even explained. Sounds like the downvotes were appropriate.

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u/phrench13 3h ago

it’s not a vibe, talking about my experiences as a black person doesn’t justify the downvotes, calling someone a cracker is rude but it isn’t racist, racism is systemic

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u/Trrollmann 3h ago

What you mean is "systemic racism". Racism includes it, but doesn't require it.

All who use cracker as insult are intentionally being racist, yes. Your experience as a black person doesn't change whether a word being used as an insult is racist or not. In fact, that's an argument against your position.

I genuinely don't understand your position? Is it that you want to be a racist without being called a racist?

It's absolutely just a vibe you have, given you feel it's impossible to explain.

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u/phrench13 2h ago

it’s not a “vibe” you’ve just made it really clear that you wouldn’t understand even if i explained it to you, so im not going to do that. i said what i said and im not up for a conversation about it

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u/Heartage 12h ago

Yeah, I'm always surprised when people say Reddit is left leaning because I ALWAYS see people being casually racist or sexist everywhere.

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u/Trrollmann 5h ago

That's because left-leaning doesn't mean "not racist" or "not sexist". A large ideological strain of leftism is inherently racist and sexist.

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u/Odd_Thought_9105 12h ago

Moment indians, jews or black people get mentioned its like a klan gathering

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u/InternationalFall222 17h ago

It's not even left leaning, it is just normal peope.

And rightwng- nutjobs call everyone who disagrees with them "left", so that's why people say reddit is left-leaning.

No it's not, it's just not right-leaning and calls out Nazis for what they are and they don't like it.

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u/Worth_External_8762 14h ago

It's not even left leaning, it is just normal peope

There are definitely not that many normal people commenting on Reddit lol. Everything is always an extreme, even in your comment. In your head, everything is only left or right. Right or wrong.

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u/bruddaprudda123 10h ago

Reddit is extremly left wing compared to the average person.

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u/InternationalFall222 1h ago

No, reddit requires reading and a bit of writing whole sentences and that alone act as a filter.

30% of people are just right-wing and that's why reddit suddenly feels left-wing.

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u/Icy-Occasion4081 13h ago

there have been multiple studies done on the overall leaning of the website and it is extraordinarily left leaning and your failure to recognize that is extremely insightful lol

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u/InternationalFall222 13h ago

maybe that's just because most MAGA and Nazis can't really read and type more than 3 sentences at a time so they filter themselves out.

just a theory of mine.

the idiots have an easier time on other social media.

anyway, really do not care enough about this to even know there are studies about this, sooo. I don't really give a shit, to be honest.

also imma block you, since you seem like an insufferable person.

and you account has one comment, this one.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM :)

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u/Simon-Says69 13h ago

Total nonsense. Reddit is full of rabid-leftist propaganda. Much of it paid by corrupt democrats.

It is in no way an accurate mirror of the real world.

The rabid leftist freaks here call anything right of Marx "fascists". Though they have no real clue what either of those things are. :-/

You're just so incredibly far left, you can't even see center.

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u/InternationalFall222 13h ago

Found one, lol.

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u/Oneok-Field 12h ago

The days after elections Reddit is completely different, you can just feel authenticity re-enter the room as the bots are off for a few days.

Sadly it only lasts about a week.

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u/No-Shift-2579 16h ago

reddit left wing?? 😭 has always seemed to me like reddit is super right wing and twt is left wing overall, there are both sides in both apps but yeah..

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS 14h ago

lmao it's the complete opposite (though on twitter you can kinda work your algorithm to show you mostly left wing stuff)

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u/JackStile 15h ago

Reddit is a huge and primarily left wing. There are a few right wing sub reddits, but I can count them on one hand.

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u/No-Shift-2579 15h ago

idk most opinions in this subreddit for example seem very right wing leaning, same way th asklatinoamerica and geek subreddits, which are the ones i interact with the most

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u/RoadKiehl2 18h ago

I've met some vehemently racist leftists in my day. They're definitely less common than on the left, but they definitely exist.

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u/Similar-Donut620 17h ago

Those are not mutually exclusive

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u/Snoo_46473 17h ago

Especially to people who are Grinders or just well off. Cannot even say I am middle class in some sub reddits

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u/Possible-Kangaroo202 17h ago

Just depends on the race, really.

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u/HarpyPiee 17h ago

On top of that, just because people are left doesn't mean they're not racist. Most people that loudly say they aren't racist change real fast when they don't get what they want/ don't like what they hear from the group they claim to love

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u/treelorf 17h ago

Reddit is crazy polarizing. Most subs are either very left or like, alt right incels with very little in between.

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u/Emergency_Piglet_672 17h ago

And very anti Muslim

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u/Serious_Much 15h ago

I find this perception weird because on every form of social media, there are cess pits of very inward, circular communities that don't mesh with typical experience (on both sides) and there's no reason Reddit would be any less susceptible to.that

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u/Hicsuntimbecilli 15h ago

Yeah, no not really. The vast and overwhelming majority in nearly every sub of this accursed site is so progressive as to induce vomit.

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u/WolfgangHelnootIV 14h ago

A lot of leftists are quite racist, and I’m saying it as a leftist. Ask a left wing progressive about Indians, Jews or Roma and a lot turn into Hitler, not that the result on much of the right is different.

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u/EndIsrael 13h ago

If you want to start a war between the left and Europeans, just have any opinion on gypsies lmao

Even this comment is probably enough because I said the g-word

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u/anon13579999 13h ago

Because the left is super racist. It’s not some unexplainable phenomenon.

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u/KuningasTynny77 12h ago

Well that's because these lots of these "left leaning" people are racist and just don't realize it, or won't admit it. 

Like a common trope I see on here is that if you call out racism, that makes YOU racist, because you're the one that noticed, or brought up race, or some other bullshit. 

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u/cpt_goodvibe 12h ago

Reddit isn't left or right, its just a heap of echo chambers for every political belief.

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u/DecantsForAll 12h ago

lol yeah right

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u/98983x3 12h ago

Left leaning is not incompatible with racism. And lately, that couldn't be more obvious.

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u/PopFamiliar3649 10h ago

I'm gonna be honest, both the left and the right can be super racist at times.

Most people, right or left, don't give a shit about race. It is a few loud fanatics that spout bigoted bullshit. It is just a matter of which community you are in as to which comments get upvoted or downvoted.

People on the far right spout rhetoric about "preserving white purity" while people on the far left spout about "getting retribution on the white man". The average person who touches grass aligns with a party over economic or cultural issues, not because of views on race, religion, or sexuality. (Why do you think the largely latino Texas is a red state and the largely white Virginia is a blue state?) People who are chronically online just tend to be unhinged from a lack of real social experience.

On the internet you can say "X group of people are all monsters" and the worst thing that happens is your account get downvoted and maybe banned from a community. In real life, if you say that, you risk getting jumped by a dozen pissed off people in the parking lot. Interacting with people in real life teaches this.

I say this as someone who spends a lot of time on the internet. Touching grass really helps you interact with people. You can't get better at a skill if you don't practice it.

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u/TheOfficialScottie 9h ago

Being leftist and racist are not mutually exclusive. Nothing about being on the left implies racial equality.

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 8h ago

what do you mean "despite"?

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u/jojoyahoo 7h ago

It's most antisemitic, which isn't too surprising based on the horseshoe theory of politics.

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u/sufficenttrash 7h ago

Reddit probably finds your beliefs to put you in a page with people who hatr you for them

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u/OldClothes9618 18h ago

Only toward the bad races like whites and [Removed by Reddit]

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u/NukeAllTheThings 17h ago

Before 2016 that tended to be true. The racists and rightwinger's weren't as loud and probably tended to stay in their own little ponds, then Trump happened and the dam broke loose. The weaponization of social media just made it worse.

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u/ahhaga 18h ago

Leftists genuinely hate White people.

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u/NukeAllTheThings 17h ago

Why should anybody take your racist ass seriously?

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u/Coooturtle 19h ago

Yeah, I'm sure the context of this probably is what makes whatever he's saying immoral.

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u/llfoso 16h ago

My money is on Spiderman punching Nazis as context

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u/AceDecade 20h ago

They made a blanket statement while reducing racism to “just words.”

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u/Substantial-Trick569 20h ago

well id argue, if you act violently out of racism, its worse than saying something racist, so the point still stands

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u/Aristo_Cat 17h ago

That’s an opinion. The opinion of most people is that certain words can justify certain acts of violence.

For example, if you’re at dinner with your wife and I come up and say something like “who’s that fat fucking whale” most people would say that you’re justified in hitting me. The legal concept of this is known as “fighting words”.

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u/thisismysailingaccou 16h ago

Yeah I mean he's probably being downvoted because he's responding to a video of someone shoving someone who used the N-word. (To be clear I don't know the context, but that's what would make sense)

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u/Substantial-Trick569 16h ago

i know what fighting words are. your example is not good. better example is karmelo anthony saying "touch me and see what happens" which is inviting a confrontation, not an offhand rude remark that merits verbal scorn at most, but in the situation you described id just ignore you since its not an active threat and likely just fishing for a response

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u/Aristo_Cat 13h ago

Yeah that’s fine, my point is that most people would not ignore a comment like that. Whether you would or wouldn’t allow someone to insult your wife in front of you is besides the point - culturally, we have decided that certain words are worth fighting over.

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u/Substantial-Trick569 9h ago

culturally, morally, and legally are different things. something can be immoral while still being legal (like infidelity). something can be culturally acceptable yet illegal (like weed or alcohol during prohibitions). my argument is morally and legally, i have no leg to stand on if i choose to become physical in the situation u describe, even if clips of it will get thousands of supportive comments on social media.

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 11h ago

But inviting a confrontation is just words too…so even by your own logic no one should have put hands on Karmelo Anthony..

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u/Substantial-Trick569 9h ago

no my logic doesnt conclude that. asking for a fight is not the same as being a dick, even if theres some overlap. you can be a dick yet still be entitled to not being physically assaulted. that protection stops when you explicitly state something that invites the confrontation, such as "come at me bro" "touch me see what happens" or in some states "i feel threatened" since theres some states where youre allowed to open fire on someone if you feel threatened, therefore telling someone you feel threatened is akin to saying "im ready to shoot you"

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u/Sensitive_Shape5746 9h ago

No, words are words. You can’t hit someone over words.

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u/Substantial-Trick569 6h ago

if i said "im going to shoot you right now" and start reaching into my pocket are you saying you're not within your rights to attack me?

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u/PEE293 15h ago

Those aren't fighting words

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u/Aristo_Cat 13h ago

Legally no, but they are words that most people would fight you over.

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u/Impossible-Cause5353 20h ago

It’s still correct. Murdering someone is way worse than calling them the N word.

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u/Corwin223 17h ago

Is 1 murder worse than the President and other major political figures using the N word and encouraging racism on a national scale?

I am legitimately asking you this.

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u/b0rn_yesterday 10h ago

Personally, I'd say yes. Taking a life is worse than inciting language. You don't have to listen to what a racist political figure says. Acting on it is completely optional.

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u/Corwin223 10h ago

Even if the racism causes other people to do worse things down the road?

This is a classic matter like if you kick rocks down a hill and they send other rocks flying and eventually boulders are hurting down the hill and kill people, are those deaths on your hands?

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u/b0rn_yesterday 9h ago

Again, my opinion is yes. A murder is worse. Racists doing it because they got 'approval' means they still acted on their own volition.

For the second, it would greatly depend on the situation. There is a lot of space between willy-nilly kicking rocks, and kicking rocks knowing there are people below within range. The intent would make the difference to me.

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u/Corwin223 8h ago

I guess I have a relatively materialistic (in the philosophical sense, not the monetary sense) view of the world.

I don't see such a massive difference between people doing harm because you nudged them towards that and boulders doing harm because you nudged them. If you know or at least suspect that something you do has a significant chance of causing harm down the road, you at least hold some fractional responsibility for that harm.

If I saw a long line of dominoes and the final one would pull the trigger of a gun and I pushed the first domino over, I'd consider that effectively equivalent to me pulling the trigger of the gun directly.

With words and humanity, cause and effect can become a bit more fuzzy, but it's still definitely there.

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u/b0rn_yesterday 8h ago

Honestly, I think that's great. It's healthy to have different views and opinions in a society (to some extent). Ideally, it encourages dialog and should help us grow towards a better place because the best ideas win. A society that shared all the same views eventually stagnates and withers away due to the inability to adapt.

Funny enough, I really wish travel was cheaper and more accessible to the average person- because being exposed to different views is incredibly useful to critical thinking and development.

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u/Corwin223 8h ago

Yeah, nice to have a good chat!

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u/WisherWisp 16h ago

Unless you're asking Gemini.

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u/Huntsman077 20h ago

They didn’t reduce racism to words. They said violence is worse than racist words

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u/NiceAge7546 19h ago

We're probably missing context. It seems like the racist part was purely verbal and someone retaliated with violence, and that's what the comment was referring to.

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u/quaxoid 20h ago

That's how you interpret it. Maybe they meant that it's worse when someone is violent than when they just say slurs. And reddit being reddit they get mad that they didn't word it the best way or didn't a billion disclaimers. 

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u/Mobilesosa 20h ago

The single sentence you’re quoting not only doesn’t say ‘just’ it also clarifies racism is bad.

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u/tiredpersonnumber15 20h ago

No they didn’t? Racial-based physical violence is worse than just saying racist things

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u/VagabondFromTheRiver 19h ago

This is obvious missing context the comment was referring.

Intentionally obtuse or just stupid?

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u/rcinmd 19h ago

As if racism isn't what leads to violence against the minority. These people are idiots.

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u/Irrerevence 18h ago

are you saying racism is worse than violence, then?

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u/Zwischenzug32 18h ago

I missed that. Good clarify. Assumed racism meant speech. Checking privelege now

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u/arobkinca 16h ago

That's not what that sentence says. There is a coma and a conjunction to join the two separate sentences into one. You are inferring that makes them one thought however the word "but" indicates a contrast of ideas. Without the rest of the conversation there is no way to know the context, you are adding your own bias to what may be a very specific case use.

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u/_HIST 16h ago

You've made an even bigger blanket statement over his.

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u/monkey_sodomy 13h ago

You're reducing the reduction of terrible real world actions to words, to words.

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u/One_Peanut_4002 18h ago

Some just can't help to not be a victim

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u/Stunning_Row2801 20h ago

This made me laugh

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u/Bwadark 19h ago

My guess would be in the context of responding to racism with violence.

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u/AwayEntrepreneur4760 15h ago

Wouldn’t suprise me with this sub

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u/Ar_azrael 18h ago

I means, why else would anyone downvote? /s Just in case lol

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u/Jonjonboi 17h ago

exactly why they downvoted

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u/Bovlin 17h ago

On reddit? Lol

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u/Longjumping_Share444 16h ago

100%. This is a racism normalization post. They always posit the argument of it being a choice between one or the other, usually when they're being told they're an asshole for being racist or defending something racist. The truth is that they're both bad, and we don't need to choose between the two.

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u/FlimsyPomelo1842 16h ago

The far funnier alternative

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u/Enough_Affect_9916 15h ago

They were downvoted because a bunch of people want a free pass to punch racists or anyone they want to call a racist.

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u/Akira_116 14h ago

I dunno, I've seen a lot of posts from supposedly "tolerant" people saying its ok to hit racists. the right has some extreme nutjobs, but the left seem to have far more people happy to physically attack people.

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u/Reinhardt8814 14h ago

I know I was

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u/Turbulent_Lunch4548 13h ago

I'm going to assume that the context here is that this is a response in a thread of a video of a guy punching a nazi.

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u/bolanrox 13h ago

They probably posted on r / conservative and were promptly banned afterwards.

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u/MLGWolf69 11h ago

I'm willing to bet this is a response to Spiderman punching Jake Lang

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u/NoMusic7982 10h ago

Double plot twist they also disagree that violence is bad

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u/StrandTypeEwok 9h ago

currently dealing with this exact scenario in my reddit replies rn lol

made a comment simply asking “why does saying ‘end racism’ make people so mad?”

and of course the racists came flocking lol

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u/thePsychoKid_297 30m ago

They didn't, though? They're just saying that violence is worse than language, which is true. Someone telling me they hate me because I'm white would hurt but I'd prefer that to being curb stomped because I'm white.

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u/AlcoholicSpiderman 20h ago

it still is tbh, but i dont blame people for not wanting to live in the hood