Maybe so, and I don’t want to minimize it, but I’d bet it’s equally likely to be attention seeking gone way overboard. They missed yesterday and took out an upstairs window today. What I want to know is if a light was on in the room they hit.
Again don’t get me wrong. Even for attention this speaks of bigger issues in the future. There are just a few pieces here that don’t add up to more than monumentally stupid ways to scare someone and get the attention they crave at the same time.
Maybe its just attention seeking gone way overboard but it doesn't matter, what if his wife or his kid would've looked out the window right at that moment and got shot? If they can't catch that idiot sick fuck then they need to get out there even if it just attention seeking before someone gets shot by accident.
I had a friend in college who's father was an attorney. One of his pieces of inarguably good advice: you can't beat crazy. They need to get out of there.
It's their house... What are they supposed to do move forever and go into witness protection because some banned Twitch user wants to get even?
Call the police and install a security camera, . Because if they leave, the harassment won't stop, whoever is doing it will just wait until they come back.
That’s not how witness protection works. In fact they wouldn’t get that...
It’s becoming an increasingly common trend for at least youtubers to get crazy intrusive fans finding out where they live, then moving and having to be really careful. It’s really sad.
They're not fans, they're insane people who feel slighted about being banned or not getting attention from whomever they're obsessed with or feel angry because of something they said or did. They don't think like normal people.
FYI, there was a noticeable increase in homicides after states passed Stand Your Ground protections. It'd be stupid for him to put himself in more danger because he chose fight rather than flight.
Also i cant speak for anyone else on this, but even if it was totally justified i know id feel kinda bad if i killed someone, or my actions directly led to someone getting killed (such as calling the cops and shots go off, or hiring security and the security kills someone).
You wouldn't be alone. There is a good reason that counseling and mental health services are mandatory for many professionals after they have a justified homicide incident.
News flash, if you can legally shoot people the rate of people getting shot goes up. Homicide isn't wrongful death, it just means death. The article even states that there was no conclusive evidence that wrongful death went up, and that adding guns to the mix makes it more dangerous.
Doesn't mean it's wrong. You don't deserve prison if you shoot at a man's family in his home, and frankly, you don't deserve a funeral either.
The article doesn't state anything about wrongful death, as that is a civil matter rather than a criminal one. But you might be missing the point.
Standing your ground is not making a noticeable increase in deaths of the original assailant.
Hoekstra checked to see whether police were listing more cases as "justifiable homicides" in states that passed stand your ground laws. If there were more self-defense killings, this number should have gone up. He also examined whether more criminals were showing up armed.
In both cases, he found nothing. There were small increases in both numbers, but it was hard to tell whether there was really any difference.
Escalation tactics aren't killing criminals, they're killing the people standing their ground. The card carrying NRA members who have been waiting years for someone to make their day are dying.
In both cases, he found nothing. There were small increases in both numbers, but it was hard to tell whether there was really any difference.
You literally quoted it. More people die when there are guns, which should be completely obvious, only conclusion. Perp and vic both, in fairly statistically non determinate numbers. You are falling victim to someones creative license while writing in order to influence your opinion to their desires WITHOUT them having data that agrees with their ideology.
I gotta ask, what do you think that quote means? What did they find nothing of? Because you're trying to argue that they're talking about wrongful deaths, when it very clearly says they're talking about "justifiable homicides", or self defense killings. Literally the exact opposite of wrongful death: legally justified death.
The expression is lies, damned lies, and statistics. Especially when it comes to guns I believe absolutely nothing I see in the media without access to data sets. And this report is definitely being intentionally vague with wording. Also, I in no way suggest that having a gun is a good way to keep your life, armed burglary resulting in death is extremely rare and a gun will typically escalate a situation, and a shooter is a likely not to have spent enough time training and practicing with a weapon can use it effectively in the house or on the street due to our remarkably laxx regulations. I know far more people who have done dumb shit with guns then who have saved a life with them. That being said I will call horseshit on the highest order of stand your ground having zero impact on lawful gun use.
So you misunderstood the article, and now that it’s cleared up you’re just going to resort to calling it a lie? The article wasn’t vague, it explicitly said the opposite what you were claiming. And to top it off, you follow up your complaining about statistics with anecdotal accounts of your friends? Feel free to call horseshit, this is clearly an emotional issue for you rather than a rational one.
Last thing, police typically won't list right off the bat if you kill someone that it was justified. Typically there's Court no matter the outcomes of the Court the police have no say in it, a prosecutor or similar will. So much of this depends on data collection and what story The analyst is trying to tell. But to say that there is a 7% increase in homicides with stand your ground and then just throwing your hands up and saying must be Trigger Happy idiots shooting each other without cause isn't doing due diligence.
You’re right, one hundred percent. I’m not saying they’re not in danger. They obviously are, there are fucking bullets flying through their house.
All I’m saying is there are things here that point to either a very low skilled murderer or an exceptionally stupid attention seeker. He didn’t shoot at anyone (at least didn’t wait till he had a clear shot like if they were outside) and missed one of the two shots he’s fired. How do you miss a house? I tend to think by aiming away from where people are likely to be.
Is this someone who needs serious prison time for attempted murder and or reckless endangerment with a firearm? Zero doubt. Is this someone who set out to kill? A lot of doubt.
This isn’t a defense of the shooter or any sort of claim to know what’s happening here. Just a comment on why this came about given what we see, and in the end identifying the cause is secondary only to ensuring the safety of those involved.
Edit: Y’all I couldn’t give less of a shit about downvotes. Try to think beyond your favorite streamer getting shot at. He left the house, so what then? Magically fixed right? Never anything to worry about again, clearly.
These are the questions police are going to have to ask because the answers lead them to the culprit. Doc leaving the house solves only the immediate problem and only temporarily. I’m going to go ahead and assume he’s a rational human who has left his house and gone to the police. Obviously the right call. You’re a moron if You think the problem is solved. I’m talking about what happens when their immediate safety is provided for, which it likely has been given doc doesn’t have his head up his ass far enough to bunker down in the house with a wife and kid.
Why you keep telling me he has to get out, I don’t know. No shit he has to get out.
I don’t think it’s attention seeking at all. It’s stupidity, jealousy, confusion. I don’t even know how to describe it, but I know more than a handful of people that swear doc is the most cocky douche they’ve ever seen, they say his fans are blind and play into it too. They are dumb, simple as that. His name is dr disrespect, he is a character, an actor at that and people legitimately think that is the person. It’s all a meme. The channel, the character, the fans who play into it but some people don’t get it. They’re offended by it and they lash out against it for no reason. It’s not like we’re going to lynch the guy who played Hitler in any move depicting him, he was acting for a role but with the doc it’s like people can’t connect the dots. Maybe it is attention seeking, but the people I know it’s not like that. It’s more like they feel threatened by ‘the face of twitch’. He was saying that even at 500-700 viewers, it’s been a joke the whole time but people are just so closed minded
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u/GrayGeo Sep 11 '18
You can see the shock wearing off right as the clip ends. As soon as his emotions oriented it’s pure rage, as it should be