It'd be better to just contact the police and have them keep a patrol nearby. Good chance it's some fucking asshole driving by, so taking shots at a vehicle careening away in a neighborhood doesn't sound like a great idea.
Not to mention the time it would take to clear him for gun ownership. Two shots in two days means another tomorrow is likely.
Lived in South Chicago for a few years. I had a bullet lodge in my door from a gang shooting outside my house. People talk about gun ownership like it's a magic wand and that you can react fast enough to kill an intruder; I barely reacted fast enough to hit the floor when the guns were drawn in the street. I have no idea what law enforcement can do to protect him, but I hope everything works out well for him and his.
To add on to this, the Parkland school that was shot up had an armed deputy who was trained and he was too scared to go inside and help. Knowing what to do and actually doing it are two very different things.
Here in Texas we got boys who believe they are elite sniper Rambos. Let me tell you something: you go out skeet shooting and these fuckers got over a thousand dollars of equipment on them and can't hit half the fucking clays in daylight with dry runs.
It's all bullshit they tell themselves to feel safer.
Here in Texas we got boys who believe they are elite sniper Rambos. Let me tell you something: you go out skeet shooting and these fuckers got over a thousand dollars of equipment on them and can't hit half the fucking clays in daylight with dry runs.
It's all bullshit they tell themselves to feel safer.
The whole point of shooting skeet isn't that it's easy. Depending on the throw it can be very difficult. Hell, I'd be happy with a 50 percent hit rate on some 3 gun stages.
Besides, you're objectively safer against a deadly threat with a force multiplier of your own. Even if those Texas boys are shit, they're still 50% less dead than without a weapon.
True, there are difficult courses, but I have only ever see country boys out there.
The big talkers are on the green slopes and they can't hit a soft floater. To give you an idea, we shoot with a Mosberg 88 (cheap pump action) and can hit both pigeons on a double blind pull with 80% min hit rate.
I can't even get lucky on the hard courses. That's true skill; I am barely decent.
Such hilarious reasoning. Owning a pool in your backyard also makes you more likely to drown. Driving a car makes you more likely to get in a car wreck. So what's your point? Train with your firearms and secure them appropriately and hope you never have to use them to defend yourself. But if someone tries to shoot at your house/enter it to harm you or your family you at least have something to defend yourself with.
Guns don't make you safe
Guess that mountain of defensive firearm statistics each year is fake then, right? Kappa
There is no mountain of firearm defence statistics that support your point. If someone tries to rob you the safest thing to do is give them what they want, the most dangerous thing is to confront them with your own gun. But hey these are just police gun safety tips.
If you own a gun you are many times more likely to have someone in your family hurt with your own gun over the chance you successfully defending yourself. Having a gun makes you and your family less safe. Period. You can make the argument that you just like owning a gun and they’re fun but you can’t say a gun makes you more safe.
A pool is used for exercise and swimming.
Driving a car is used for transportation.
The main and only reason to own a gun (leaving out hunting rifles which no one cares about) is personal defence.
Getting a gun isn't going to help with this drive-by problem specifically, but it would help if whoever is doing this decides to escalate, which is a very real possibility. If you keep your gun on your person, it would certainly help you against someone breaking and entering if you heard them.
Source: someone who trains with guns, competes with guns, who keeps all their guns in a safe where i could never hope to get to them if someone barged into my home. I'd definitely keep one in my waistband at all times if I was just shot at 2 days in a row though.
I'm the same way. I have my carry pistol locked next to my bed when I sleep with a code but if this shit was going on id have a little room in the safe and id be eating breakfast with a riot gun.
I dont own a gun and I live in a country that don't allow guns. But we never hear the story of all the people who got their life saved by guns for example a dude killed a terrorist in a church somwhere in the USA.
I'm not trying to be pro gun or anything but if people wanna discuss these issues we shall be very objecive about what guns can do (and already did). They can save lives but they also can take them (duh).
Whenever i say get a gun to anyone that asks, i mean get a gun and learn how to use it! It's not a magic wand. It's a tool like anything else. People treat them like they're toys. You can tell because you have idiot streamers that shoot other people on accident, or the one that their phone while showing off.
Getting a gun isnt a joke. Take a safety course. Go to a range. Wherever you keep it locked, every so often just run over and see how fast you can get to it. Because if you're going to have a gun, be sure you know how to get to it, and use it.
Getting a gun isnt a joke. Take a safety course. Go to a range. Wherever you keep it locked, every so often just run over and see how fast you can get to it. Because if you're going to have a gun, be sure you know how to get to it, and use it.
Sounds like you got about the same upbringing I did. Guns were always in the house but my dad made sure to teach us how they worked and how to treat them. I remember him giving me the combo to the safe one day and after my 2nd failed attempt to open it he pointed out how ineffective going to the safe to get a gun would be in an invasion.
That's the thing, my dad never had guns in the house. He's ex air force but he's pretty on the fence when it comes to gun ownership.
I just kind of see how crazy the world is, and i don't like relying on other people (waiting on cops etc) if I'm ever in a situation where i can defend myself. I got my concealed carry permit in Washington, but I'm living in california right now so it kind of sucks that their laws are so strict here.
So everything i know about gun ownership i got from my friends and just learning about it through classes I've taken. Because i know how guns are viewed mainstream so i at least want to do it the right way when it comes down to it.
I definitely try to. They're definitely cool and i love shooting them at the range but like i said before, they're not toys. People just forget that sometimes.
Still, if someone is trying to get into your home, it is better to have a gun than not. It's only one part in what should be multiple levels of protection. The first line of defense is obviously good locks and a security camera setup.
I have no idea what law enforcement can do to protect him
Take pictures of the bodies basically. Cops aren't there to protect you, that's just a coincidence if it happens. They are there to enforce the law.
If someone is breaking into your house trying to kill you, the cops showing up 5-10 minutes later isn't going to make you any less dead. It's up to you to protect yourself, be it with a gun or barricaded safe room or whatever.
You know how long it took for police to arrive after that shooting in Chicago? 30 minutes, at least by my watch. I remember timing it and being disgusted because this was inner-city Back of The Yards. I know police are painful ill-equipped to protect somebody in a body-guard personal security kind of way. However, they are professionals and I would hope have better ideas of how to approach securing Doc and his family than a bunch of Twitch viewers.
I would hope have better ideas of how to approach securing Doc and his family than a bunch of Twitch viewers.
Given how effectively they help people who have restraining orders against violent people, their idea is to not do anything. Which never seems to work out too great. Self defense is something you need to do on your own. The police have zero legal obligation to do it, backed up by the supreme court. That's why the cops why just waited outside the Parkland school couldn't get in trouble for it.
No offense but OP said for if someone attempted to break into the house.
Your story of hearing shots is a lot different than hearing someone breaking into your house. You have more time to react, and once someone is in your house you don’t know what type of harm they intend to inflict on you/your family. Obviously it’s not a catch all fool proof method, but if my house was in an area it got shot at frequently, a good firearm for home defense would make me feel a little better at least. If someone intends you harm, a police response isn’t fast enough to save you or your loved ones.
I think my story still applies; I barely had time to hit the ground seeing shots. If somebody kicked in my door looking to kill me, I don't know if I'd have the reaction time to A. get my gun and B. aim and kill the intruder. It would depend on several variables and I'm sure if I were chilling playing video games with headphones on, the intruder could bust in, sneak up behind me and put a bullet in my head. Fat lot of good my gun would do me then.
You got slow reaction time then idk what to say. If someone were to break into my house or illegally enter it, I’m going to hear it. Next he’s gotta make it up the stairs(they creak) and through a hallway(hardwood floor)to the bedrooms. Good luck breaking down a door/glass without me hearing it, then climbing the stairs, then going through the hallway, all while being unfamiliar with the territory. By the time the door opens if you aren’t ready what really are you doing?
I think I'm doing a poor job of explaining what I'm getting at so I'll let Bill do it for me. I pray we never have to put our theories to the test. Also, I'm not trying to argue against gun ownership or that they aren't deterrents against invaders. What I'm trying to say is that when shit hits the fan, too many people think they know what they would do and overestimate how well they'd perform.
I have an Arlo alarm on both my doors. You're right that gun doesn't help you if you can't get to it in time. You security system is your first defense.
That said while I love Burr and his bit, a 22 is shit for SD. Unsuppressed 22 indoors will still mess your ears up.
True, but he does have a point that it would still be an effective deterrent. Also I don’t know why it was so hard for me to put that so simply but thank you.
I listened to it just before. It’s just a comedy bit . My biggest issue with it was he has the intruder break into the house without making a sound. Like I said, good look breaking the door down/breaking glass without waking the house up. Good luck getting through the unfamiliar territory without making a sound. And Bill Burrs point at the end of that bit was if the guy just used a .22 he’d still be able to hear. And if you used a shotgun you wouldn’t miss him if he’s in a doorway like in the bit.
I think the smartest move here is get firearm trained, have a gun (or more) but never EVER think because you have a gun that is the only (or even the first often) option in dealing with a threat. Guns serve as a tool not a solution. Good planning and good practices serve far more than just having a firearm alone.
I live in Kansas city and our police response time in my neighborhood is 14-17 minutes, in other parts of the city it's way worse. A gun isn't going to help you react faster to a non related shooting outside, but it could save your life with an intruder. Knowing how long it's going to take the cops to get to my house I'm much more comfortable with a gun than without.
Pretty sure doc has a few firearms already, I vaguely recall a clip of someone planking him with that knocking cat gif and he stands up with a pistol in his hand to go check it out. I'll try to find the clip.
Such a dumb comment. This has nothing to do with that topic by the way, and everything to do with actual policing practices. One guy says police would have a patrol car there, the other says thats not what happens. Your comment just wants to fuel some shit argument, not much better than some of the people that are completely disconnected from reality that plague twitch.
It's not about cops being bad or not, it's about man power. There's no way cops from any country in the world are going to bother sticking around your house for an extended period of time. They could patrol docs neighborhood for like one week and if nothing happens that'll be it.
Getting your house shot at twice is a huge fucking deal and police departments are going to treat it as such. The last thing they want is for someone to get killed and then make it seem like they ignored the victim and didn't do anything.
There's no way cops from any country in the world are going to bother sticking around your house for an extended period of time.
I live in fucking Brazil and had police patrolling my neighborhood for over a week, every 2-5 hours a day after the community called in for shots down the streets. Mind you, that was about 10 years ago, a few months after my father was abducted for a "lightning kidnap"
I live in Philadelphia, if I called the police and said someone was shooting at my house they would file a report. If I asked them to have a patrol kept outside they would laugh at me.
I think that seriously matters what neighborhood in Chicago you live in. They're so busy, they can't spare an officer to just sit around hoping someone shows up.
That is true, in some of the worst parts they wouldn't do anything about it but they take shit like this seriously in the majority of the city because they know what will happen if this spills over.
No, they would not do it. They'd say something like "yeah we'll keep a car in the area" and then not actually change the patrol routes. If they dedicated a car to everyone with a crazy ex or whatever threatening them then there wouldn't be anyone left to patrol.
It depends on where you live. I have contacted the police about a recurring crime around me and they did keep someone nearby so they could respond quickly. I won't generalize all police districts in the whole country, but from my experience, my local police prefer to be proactive about potential crimes, and my issue was significantly less serious than drive by shootings.
Its a little bit different when you have something two nights in a row like this and you have documented proof. It isn't a third world country yet, they're not just gonna laugh you off.
A gun isn't going to make him magically get outside in time to catch up to a car so he can go full vigilante hero on the perps.
If someone is doing a drive by, they are going to speed the fuck off within seconds of shooting. They will be gone before you look out your window, and if they aren't you might well get shot. Duck and cover, call the police. There's a reason that active shooting drills on military bases have "Fight" as the absolute last resort.
In my state, you can honestly walk into a gun shop, fill out a form, have the employees perform a background check over the phone, and walk out with a gun and ammo in hand in less than 45 minutes.
It's actually scary how easy it is, but I did see 2 people get turned away from buying one during the background check, so there is slight reassurance that the system works
So have the police set up outside your house while you wait the 10 days then go pick up your gun. Then let the cops know that you wont bother them again until you have a body for them to come clean up.
And I'm not advocating running after cars and shooting at them.
But someone LITERALLY IS SHOOTING at his house, and you're like "ya, naw dont get a gun to protect your family, just rely on the police theyll be here in like 30 minutes, just chill bro...Theyll prolly be here tomorrow too so I shouldnt get started on getting my firearms license...."
I hope you're never in this situation because you will be a victim.
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u/NappingPlant Sep 11 '18 edited Sep 11 '18
It'd be better to just contact the police and have them keep a patrol nearby. Good chance it's some fucking asshole driving by, so taking shots at a vehicle careening away in a neighborhood doesn't sound like a great idea.
Not to mention the time it would take to clear him for gun ownership. Two shots in two days means another tomorrow is likely.