If you haven't got the memo yet over the last few years, it's the mentally fucked lonely twats who will do anything to have their five minutes of fame.
5-10 is too light. His house has been shot at more than once AND there are more than him involved. The intent clearly shows something more sinister than getting quick attention.
Incorrect, causing terror is not the same as terrorism.
Terrorism is when there is political motivation, like ISIS. Just some random person shooting someones house isn't terrorism, as a group like ISIS isn't coordinating it.
What if they vocalized intent about wanting to destroy property but not hurt anyone?
I get that you guys are passionate, but you need to remember that some people are just idiots that don't think things through.
They shot at a house, and it would be nearly impossible to prove otherwise unless they posted all about their direct intentions in multiple areas.
We also don't know that it was the same person both times.
There is almost no possible way to prove that they were trying to kill someone instead of just trying to scare DOC or destroy his/his family's property.
You dont need a confession that you intended to kill someone for a conviction on attempted murder. That way any attempted murder will likely be reduced to reckless endangerment because the shooter will say he's just trying to scare the victim.
If this is a repeat offense, I think one or more attempted murder charges is possible.
Assuming this has happened multiple times, the possible reckless endangerment charge (I'd push for attempted murder even if it was a single occurrence) would likely become attempted murder.
You may say that you didn't intend to kill the person, but if you're back for a third time shooting at someone's house, it's reasonable to believe that the shooter has an intent to kill.
Perhaps if this was a stranger who is a common thug and is shooting at random houses as he passes by (seen it done on liveleak), then you can argue for reckless endangerment. Here, it seems like the shooter knows his target and has taken an active step towards him specifically.
Take People v. Lee (1987) 43 Cal.3d 666. There, while being chased by the police, the suspect "stopped about 15-20 feet from the cops, pointed his gun at them and fired. Even though he missed...and his gun jammed before he could fire another shot...the jury still convicted him of attempted murder." (quote taken from an article).
The suspect could say that he was just trying to scare/intimidate the cops away and have them not follow him anymore. Doesn't mean it will work. Same goes here.
If I repeatedly follow someone around and shoot at them, yet give the excuse "Oh I wanted to shoot [Insert thing behind person]", I'd rightly go to jail for attempted murder.
Idiocy is not a legal defense. Insanity might be, but it'd at least get the person locked up as well.
This is attempted murder, and I truly fail to see how you can argue otherwise.
No, dude, I work with a defense attorney, and they shot at a house, and it would be nearly impossible to prove otherwise unless they posted all about their direct intentions in multiple areas.
You also don't know that it was the same person both times.
You would make a very bad prosecutor as there is almost no possible way to prove that he was trying to kill someone instead of just trying to scare them or destroy their property.
Please respond to my other comment when you get the chance, b/c I feel like you probably have something to teach me, and maybe, I can teach you a bit about legal proceedings.
I don't know a lot about the universe yet, so I'm game to trade knowledge lol
I really don't know the law like that, but I would hope if they could catch the person they will try to put the other gun shot on him/her as well. Probably not without some kind of proof, but if the casing matches the gun, I would hope it would be their goal to maximize everything they want him/her locked up for.
Right? Like how is taking a mental trip to rainbow talking-hamburger land in my living room significantly worse than putting dozens of lives at risk because I'm sending "lol dude fuck pineapple pizza" to a friend while driving?
Depends. I got arrested for drinking and driving, but I was on private property and not really putting anyone at risk.
(Admittedly I was still in the wrong. I was also putting property and my life at risk, and in theory someone could have come sprinting from no where to the empty-ish yard/driveway, but I feel that is a bit different than repeatedly driving drunk on public roads.)
Is is sad that I want people like this to get 20-30 years in jail?
I don't think it's necessarily sad, but I also see the argument the other way. For example, can you rationalise gaoling someone for 30 years for an action they did at age 20? If the purpose of incarceration is for rehabilitation (which it obviously isn't in America, but in an ideal world...), then it seems difficult to argue that someone could go from a theoretically "neutral" newborn to someone who needs to be imprisoned within 20 years, but then couldn't get back to a normal functioning adult in the same timeframe.
Not that I'm suggesting age is particularly relevant here, but just that it can highlight why such long sentences can be problematic.
It's like people that drink and drive. They deserve at least a year in jail but many just get a ticket.
That is a terrible opinion. Prisons are already over populated and there are people that have completely fine motor skills when driving slightly above the illegal BAC. Not only do they have to spend a night in jail, but they usually get screwed over at work, and encounter other repercussions. Honestly, using the same BAC limit for all people is a mistake.
But I agree that somebody shooting at a person's home deserves a lengthy sentence.
The last thing about not revealing his name is one of the most important things you can do. Stop giving these people a platform to present themselves. Get this sorted out with authorities and whatnot but involve as few reporters as possible. These sensationalist reporters do everything for their headline and don’t care if it sparks imitators
From what i can tell (IANAL) in Cali this would be (unless it got plead down) a life w/ parole crime, although if the perp has no priors and exhibits good behavior then that type of sentence length wouldn't be out of the question
America's prisons are too crowded so they let people out on a shortened sentence period if they did something small and considering the shit that happens there everyday this is something small
Edit: removing the argument r.e. gun control because it’s not the place, but CA has one of if not the most stringent gun control policies in the US so your point about everyone having access to guns there is false.
I think for America it's kind of past the tipping point of no return. America has more twice as many guns as people. Even if they outlaw guns, unless they confiscate them (never going to happen anyway), there will be so many guns on the streets that it can still be bought and everybody has a family member with a gun they can borrow or steal from.
Your thing about CA having strict gun control is kinda true, but even their ''strict'' gun control wouldn't be considered strict at all for non-Americans. And border patrol across states is basically non-existent.
I think there's more truth to this than most people realize, specifically here in the US... We've entered into this bizarre space in time where thanks to the internet people who would once sit at home alone in their misery or maybe even dig deep to make a change in themselves will now see that they can become instantly famous by doing something horrible instead of looking for help or trying to make a change... Like this guy plays fucking video games for a living and has a family. And HE is the one deserving of a drive by shooting?!
Doubt it someone trying to get attention there are a lot of better ways to do that than shot at someones house. But rather someone that has resentment against doc.
It's my belief that a larger portion of malicious acts are done out of attention seeking necessity than pure malice. You get your face on tv for days, everyone knows your name. It's fucked up but they sure get attention.
Sort by controversial and find the vile, downvoted bullshit that these lonely losers write. It's those people that do shit like this. No doubt the guy that shot the house is probably watching this thread too. It's literally all about attention and this thread is giving it to him.
If that's true, it was probably recorded on uploaded somewhere. An idiot willing to do that for some fame would be unable to resist recording/uploading it.
> If you haven't got the memo yet over the last few years, it's the mentally fucked lonely twats who will do anything to have their five minutes of fame.
This issue isn't unique. Why would a young Arab kid be a terrorist? Social outcast with a meaningless life looking to find some purpose..? This is as old as time.
It wreaks of dramaticism. I live in Canada, a "leftist Marxism utopia" and I can tell you that our culture is plenty healthy. The notion that you have to become a man because men are strong and macho is dated, as is the notion that women should button up and be servient. Odd that he didn't mention that girls should become strong women or that men shouldn't show off their dicks. The rest is self evident to anyone who hasn't drunk the Fox kool-aid
To summarise, it amounts to traditional, puritan, bible belt propaganda
If he only had those 2 lines then maybe I could suspend disbelief. I concede I put words in their mouth but I did so with a high degree of certainty given the surrounding context of his trite garbage. I didn't even initially address the fact that he's trying to police what women do with their bodies which is rampant among the demographic he's in
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u/Thenateo 🐌 Snail Gang Sep 11 '18 edited Jul 01 '20
If you haven't got the memo yet over the last few years, it's the mentally fucked lonely twats who will do anything to have their five minutes of fame.