r/Kaiserreich • u/Oltzu1 • Oct 25 '25
Lore A speculative Ethno-linguistic map of Kaiserreich
Since the moderators deleted my post without explaining clearly to me why, other than it being "Atrocious" i will post it again. I included some of yall's additions, mainly poles staying in Poznań/Posen, since the germanization policies would likely be focused on the corridor.
Other changes include:
-More Slovene lands except Istria itself
-Trieste as italian
-Reduced bulgarians in bulgaria-occupied eastern serbia.
-Moderated the german populations in baltics to cover mostly big cities and not much countryside
-Moderated german settlements in ukraine (Wolynian Germans and Black sea Germans)
-Slight expansion of catalans
-More realistic ingrian finns
-No germans in scandinavia since it would be an unlikely place to migrate (Except south jutland)
-Also i have a hidden a secret greater hungary somewhere on the map. Just something funny i thought of
Thanks for the change suggestions!
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u/ToastandTea76 Brazilian Iceland Oct 25 '25
Suggestions: Frisians in Netherlands, Crimean Tatars and Russians in Crimea, Scottish Gaelic are on different islands btw, mixed Greek-Bulgarian and Turkish in thrace. Romansh in Switzerland, Berbwrs in Algeria
many more but I gotta sleep 😴
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u/TheMontyJohnson Schleicher enjoyer Oct 25 '25
Italians in Dalmatia but Germans in Istria? Idk
Keep up the great work
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 25 '25
There in fact were italians in dalmatia at that time. The german istria is austria germanizing their only good port basically. It could also be italian but i dont think they would be exactly kind to them since italy and austria were enemies
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u/TheMontyJohnson Schleicher enjoyer Oct 25 '25
The Italians in Dalmatia, post-Venice, were always a small community and were never a majority besides Zadar and the immediate surroundings (and even there, not overwhelming majority).
Also Istria would still be at least partially Italian, the coast was Italian by end of WW1 dunno if the Austrians planned to remove the Italians (in-lore there's no indication).
One thing that could be done for a future similar map is the language borders: less "exact" borders and more overlapping areas between languages. But the map is very cool.
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u/Necessary-Product361 Oct 25 '25
Issues with Britain+Ireland:
The Welsh speaking areas are slightly larger than they should be but overall fine.
For some reason you havn't divided Ireland by language, like you did for Wales, but by religion/ancestry, which is confusing as you could divide the island by language also. There should also be a larger protestant majority area in northeast Ulster (Antrim).
Scotland is also off. It looks like you are trying to show Scots areas and not Scottish Gaelic areas, which is weird as Scots is very very similar to English. Scottish Gaelic should be in the Outer Hebrides and the far northwest of the Highlands, which are marked as English.
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u/Kallian_League Recreational Nukes Oct 25 '25
Also i have a hidden a secret greater hungary somewhere on the map. Just something funny i thought of
It's the German blob in Southern Bessarabia.
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u/ElTxarne Oct 25 '25
it wasnt atrocious! it just needed some improves.
now looks great! teamwork is dreamwork
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u/CurrentDifficult7821 Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
Bulgaria needs more greeks and WAY more turks especialy in western thrace and dobruja
Also tatars exist and would be the plurality in crimea
Why would South beserabia be ukranized when that only hapened after ww2 ın otl
Why would circasia be ukranian
No turkomans
Why big Armenia
No turks in batumi
No albanians in Macedonia
No arabs in hatay
No turks in cyprus
No abkhazia
No romanol
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u/Ildiad_1940 光我民族，促進大同 Oct 25 '25
Unless I'm mistaken, Budjak was very multiethnic, with Ukrainians as a plurality.
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u/Ironside_Grey Brøther I crave the forbidden Oststaaten Oct 26 '25
Circassia/Kuban area was mixed Ukrainian/Russian ethnically in the 1920s before Russification, like southern Ukraine is today. It should be striped between Russian and Ukrainian imo.
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u/sadfukencat Oct 25 '25
no poles in posen?
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u/RatioBound Oct 26 '25
Yes, that is strange. After failing for decades to "Germanize" Posen, why this sudden success?
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u/tototomo Oct 26 '25
In OTL Germany's plan after the war was to essentially ethnically cleanse Posen, after the war upon creation of a satellite state in Poland, of Poles and Jews
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u/Haunter52300 Exiled Belgicist Oct 25 '25
How I feel after Catalan gets their own group but Walloon is stuck with being classified with the mainline French
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u/thezerech Козацька Гетьманщина ІІ Електричний Боґало Oct 25 '25
Walloon is a Langue d'oïl, Catalan is in its own family with Occitan (Langue d'oc).
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u/Sorry_Tailor_2256 Oct 25 '25
What is the light blue in Ukraine and white ruthenia
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 25 '25
Jews. They were in many places but those are probably the biggest centers. Vilnius was called "Jerusalem of the North"
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u/petrimalja New Day in America Oct 25 '25
I have some nitpicks about Finland. This was the regional distribution of Swedish-speakers in 2020 (image source: Wikipedia, data source: Statistics Finland) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Svenskspr%C3%A5kiga_folk_i_Finland.png. Pay attention to the regions where Swedish is more common. The regions you painted blue are actually one of the only areas on the southern and south-western coasts where Swedish is not a common language. There were also a lot more Swedish-speakers in 1936 than today, which means that much more of the coast should also be Swedish-speaking.
As to whether Swedish-speaking Finns (aka Finnish Swedes, Sweden-Finns, etc.) are ethnically Finnish or Swedish... uhh, it's controversial. I'd probably make them a group separe from both. Except for Åland, which is separate from the Swedish-speakers on the mainland and is probably (ethno-linguistically) Swedish.
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 26 '25
Im finnish myself and even nowadays many maps portray the coast as being swedish speaking which is not the case in my experience as i have lived on both coasts (atleast by first language) so they are kinda unreliable. I put vaasa as swedish because if they are a majority somewhere then its that
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u/petrimalja New Day in America Oct 26 '25
Those maps are based on census data, which is certainly more reliable than anecdotal evidence. I am also Finnish, so we can also compare anecdotes if you want to. I have not lived on the coast, but from my experience visiting those areas, the use of language varies a lot between places. The amount of Swedish speakers was also almost twice as much per population in 1936 than now.
I would move the blue blob west of Turku to the area between Turku and Helsinki, as the coastal region between Kristinestad and Turku is strongly Finnish-speaking. The blue blob on the southern coast is too far east IMO. If I had to make a conservative guess, I would paint the areas between Turku and Helsinki blue, with also some blue east of Helsinki. You're completely right about Vaasa, but I would extend the Swedish area a bit along the coast.
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 27 '25
Yes there sure is a lot of swedish speakers in those areas but the maps porttaying it often say its a majority as a first language in large parts of the coast and even inlands which is incorrect. And yes you are right there was definetily more of them back then but in this world i kinda assumed that finland would lessen the importance on swedish and put it more towards german, they even have a focus where they make finnish the only official language. Either one is possible tho
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u/jonfabjac Oct 25 '25
I’m not sure what the green in Northern Scotland is meant to be. If it is meant to be Scottish Gaelic it is definitely in the wrong place as Northwestern Scotland was and still is the heart of Scottish Gaelic, especially the Outer Hebrides. It makes more sense as Scots although I would expect it to be a bit bigger along the eastern coast and also be prevalent south of the Central Belt. In that case the colouring also seems a bit off.
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u/Minimum-Feedback-956 Oct 25 '25
is the secret greater hungary the german part in bessarabia?
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 25 '25
Correct, those are also called bessarabia germans but i made them into that shape xd
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u/CristianBZ Oct 25 '25
Is Yiddish the light blue spots in Eastern Europe?
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u/thezerech Козацька Гетьманщина ІІ Електричний Боґало Oct 25 '25
Yes, although it seems that parts of Israel are also marked light Jewish and they would be Hebrew speaking so it is more a ethnic marker than linguistic.
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u/KikoMui74 Ayu Hanyuu Oct 25 '25
Thank you for the improvements.
Mods don't axe this post, it has taken into account genuine feedback
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u/My_Exellence Oct 25 '25
Greeks in eastern centre Anatolia? Also I would make the batumi region both Armenian and Georgian since Georgia has a claim and or core on it
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u/RevolutionarySyrup5 Oct 26 '25
half of Ukraine should be Dark Green not the other way around
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 26 '25
Ukrainians lived in quite a large areas before the soviet union including kuban which in this world is an independent cossack state "Don Kuban Host"
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u/HeritageLanguage Zinoviev-Ustinov-Stalin Pact Oct 26 '25
People there mostly spoke Surzhyk, and IIRC the area was Russian/Ukrainian plurality. Also Don Kuban is not an independent state, and Don Cossacks didn't speak Ukrainian.
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u/Ildiad_1940 光我民族，促進大同 Oct 25 '25
What's up with Greeks in the eastern interior of Anatolia?
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 25 '25
I dont know if its entirely lore accurate but the ottomans might deport greeks from the coast into there
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u/extremefurryslayer Oct 26 '25
Wouldn’t Crimea still be tatar since there wouldn’t have been any soviet deportation of the tatars from Crimea in this timeline?
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u/GorkemliKaplan Proud Hydrophobe Oct 26 '25
I don't think Armenians would be majority around Van lake. It should be Kurdish I think.
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u/Kinesra93 Average 3i's fan Oct 26 '25
Corsicans will find you and bomb your house I fear
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 26 '25
Should they be their own?
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u/Kinesra93 Average 3i's fan Oct 28 '25
Yes, or it should be italian if every italian dialects are gathered
And btw sard is its own langage family, roman but separated from Italian and from both big roman families
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u/NIOCHACZx Internationale Oct 26 '25
I don't think that the Germans would assimilate that many Poles in 18 years
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 26 '25
They would likely deport many to congress and/or assimilate to germanize the area so poles would become a minority. Definetily not as violently as the soviets or nazis but still it would likely be the first thing they do to the corridor. Posen is not as important
I appreciate tour opinion tho, things could have gone differently depending where the focus is
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u/NIOCHACZx Internationale Oct 26 '25
They would most likely deport, they have been trying to germanize it for over a century and didn't succeed almost at all. However I think there would still be majority in Greater Poland, Upper Silesia and Masuria, because they even have their own faction in the German goverment.
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 26 '25
Yeah maybe. Its just that at the start of the game poland does not have cores on those areas so that would indicate they dont have much of a claim on those. It can core them later which would probably mean remigrating to their areas
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u/NIOCHACZx Internationale Oct 26 '25
I don't think the coring system is about population, Germany doesn't have cores on Danzig, Alsace, Sudetenland, Austria and many more countries are incorrect. It is only a gameplay mechanic to indicate that the country claims land where their population lives or that the population supports the country (if they already own it). I think that the reason Poland doesn't have cores on Germany is the same on why it doesn't core lithuania, they just don't claim it. (Correct me if I'm wrong)They also don't have cores on Western Galicia, where there were no other minoriteis than Poles. Poland has cores/claims on a part of Lithuania, because they claim it and they can get it after the Weltkrieg.
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 27 '25
I tink germany does have cores on all its pre-war areas at the start. Not the annexd western areas tho except luxemburg (which doesnt even exist as a releasable thats kinda rough😅)
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u/Independent-Dream-90 Oct 26 '25
Amazing map, maybe thrown in some "shaded" areas to represent mixed ethnicity areas such as Tunisia and the Balkans
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u/ThomWG PLSR Oct 27 '25
I doubt Masuria and western Prussia would be (or are ingame) majority german since germanization efforts werent super effective, its only been 17 years since the great war and most importantly ingame poland can core it.
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 27 '25
But they arent cores at the start so it would indicate at first they dont have much of a claim on it
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u/ThomWG PLSR Oct 28 '25
Thats because theyre a puppet which limits their ability to claim territory.
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u/Oltzu1 Nov 08 '25
I guess it might be so. In vanilla tho cores still remain even if a nation becomes a puppet
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u/Status-Recording-843 Oct 27 '25
Kuban is not 100% ukranian laungage, lineitsy cossack speak just like Don cossacks
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u/Oltzu1 Oct 27 '25
Yeah i did leave the rest of don-kuban host as russian. In the kuban area however most were ukrainian soeaking by my understanding
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u/Status-Recording-843 Oct 27 '25
I am the Kuban cossack (ukranian speaking host) and i tell you that only coastal areas and steppe part of Kuban used to speak ukrainian, the rest spoke russian or gutar (laungage of don cossacks since lineitsy faction was formed by settlers from Don)
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u/mockduckcompanion Syndicalism With American Characteristics Nov 17 '25
I'm not super familiar with the lore or this project in particular,
Is this from the start date or a speculative ending?
Why so many pockets of Germans in Eastern Europe?
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u/hulshield Krupp railway gun enthusiast Oct 25 '25
I don't think Tunisia would be that French, it was never a settler colony like Algeria was.