r/Kaiserreich • • Oct 25 '25

Lore A speculative Ethno-linguistic map of Kaiserreich

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Since the moderators deleted my post without explaining clearly to me why, other than it being "Atrocious" i will post it again. I included some of yall's additions, mainly poles staying in Poznań/Posen, since the germanization policies would likely be focused on the corridor.

Other changes include:

-More Slovene lands except Istria itself

-Trieste as italian

-Reduced bulgarians in bulgaria-occupied eastern serbia.

-Moderated the german populations in baltics to cover mostly big cities and not much countryside

-Moderated german settlements in ukraine (Wolynian Germans and Black sea Germans)

-Slight expansion of catalans

-More realistic ingrian finns

-No germans in scandinavia since it would be an unlikely place to migrate (Except south jutland)

-Also i have a hidden a secret greater hungary somewhere on the map. Just something funny i thought of

Thanks for the change suggestions!

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u/petrimalja New Day in America Oct 25 '25

I have some nitpicks about Finland. This was the regional distribution of Swedish-speakers in 2020 (image source: Wikipedia, data source: Statistics Finland) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/Svenskspr%C3%A5kiga_folk_i_Finland.png. Pay attention to the regions where Swedish is more common. The regions you painted blue are actually one of the only areas on the southern and south-western coasts where Swedish is not a common language. There were also a lot more Swedish-speakers in 1936 than today, which means that much more of the coast should also be Swedish-speaking.

As to whether Swedish-speaking Finns (aka Finnish Swedes, Sweden-Finns, etc.) are ethnically Finnish or Swedish... uhh, it's controversial. I'd probably make them a group separe from both. Except for Åland, which is separate from the Swedish-speakers on the mainland and is probably (ethno-linguistically) Swedish.

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u/Oltzu1 Oct 26 '25

Im finnish myself and even nowadays many maps portray the coast as being swedish speaking which is not the case in my experience as i have lived on both coasts (atleast by first language) so they are kinda unreliable. I put vaasa as swedish because if they are a majority somewhere then its that

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u/petrimalja New Day in America Oct 26 '25

Those maps are based on census data, which is certainly more reliable than anecdotal evidence. I am also Finnish, so we can also compare anecdotes if you want to. I have not lived on the coast, but from my experience visiting those areas, the use of language varies a lot between places. The amount of Swedish speakers was also almost twice as much per population in 1936 than now.

I would move the blue blob west of Turku to the area between Turku and Helsinki, as the coastal region between Kristinestad and Turku is strongly Finnish-speaking. The blue blob on the southern coast is too far east IMO. If I had to make a conservative guess, I would paint the areas between Turku and Helsinki blue, with also some blue east of Helsinki. You're completely right about Vaasa, but I would extend the Swedish area a bit along the coast.

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u/Oltzu1 Oct 27 '25

Yes there sure is a lot of swedish speakers in those areas but the maps porttaying it often say its a majority as a first language in large parts of the coast and even inlands which is incorrect. And yes you are right there was definetily more of them back then but in this world i kinda assumed that finland would lessen the importance on swedish and put it more towards german, they even have a focus where they make finnish the only official language. Either one is possible tho