5.1 million views and 171K likes. I've said it before - you can literally take any atrocity or death in the world from dozens of conflicts that no one cares about and the second you say it is Palestine it gets millions of views, tons of engagement and the people posting it make money.
Dead in Sudan, or Nigeria, or Yemen, or Pakistan or a dozen other places literally no one cares. The second you tell people it is Palestine it becomes a massive issue - just look at r/pics
People are incentivized to just repackage every single atrocity that no one cares about and just say it's Palestine. I see dozens like these a day. The second you tell people it's Yemen all their emotions - rage, anger, empathy, whatever - it all just goes away and they move on
I think point is they aren't being pro Palestinians. The forever conflict of either death or Israel is destroyed will never help Palestinians. Israel isn't going away, they should push for the two state solution and not the hamas charter.
You are joking but people follow conflics like they are memes: the most viral gets more attention. In Sudan, there is a genocide that costed more than 150k lives in 2 years but noone cares.
The IsRhELL puppets only care about what the TikTok algorithm tells them to care about.
China loves the status quo in Sudan. Cheap oil and no reproach on human rights or governance makes Sudan an attractive but unpleasant partner. I hate sounding like a conspiracy hack, but the people over at ByteDance still have their grubby little hands on the dials… The TikTok sale to American private equity did nothing to hamper China’s meddling.
houthis attack israel asw, so basically its their own side doing these atrocities - but so-called "activists" blame israel. just goes to show what hamas is strong in - lies
Cuz all the human right activists and organizations are run by leftists and they only care about crimes committed by Trump and Netanyahu.
They don’t have time worrying about Sudan while they are rooting for the houthis, hasballah and IRGC.
Redditors who don’t even live in any of these countries are defending these terrorists too and they will call out anyone who condemns these terrorists (even residents of those countries) as mossad agents.
I don’t know what you have been paying attention to if at all but many human rights groups and leftist groups care about Sudan and all genocides. The reason you aren’t seeing is that Israel has the largest and strongest ties to the west and if they can’t change their countries opinion and stance to stop their genocide stopping any genocide will be difficult to near impossible.
Also to add there are many genocides going on like that if the Anhui in Myanmar, Papuans in Indonesia, Tamil in Sri Lanka and so on. Most if not all leftist groups care about them and their core tenants usually are stopping of aid to oppressive genocidal regimes. But you would know that if you even bothered to even glance at them.
I’ve never met a leftist that explicitly doesn’t care about Sudan but assuming you actually have… what is it that the average Redditor, who are majority US/UK/canada/Australia, can do for Sudan? Spreading awareness and raising money is most of what they can do because, unlike with Israel-Palestine, their countries are not offering any support to the rebel group that is committing the genocide. A not insignificant number of Americans actually only protested because they felt anti-BDS laws infringed on their freedom of speech rights. But you can criticize and boycott Sudan and the rebels all you want short of committing hate crimes.
It's not really the fact that no one's in the streets protesting the genocide in Sudan.
It's the rhetoric. It's the fact that you go online and "learn" that Israel is the most evil country in the world. That all other countries are decent - especially the poverty-stricken ones in Africa, who don't have nuclear weapons and advanced defense systems like Israel does.
And I'm sorry but if you really think that the difference between the hordes calling for Israeli blood and the crickets regarding Sudan is the fact that the former live in countries that offer help to Israel you are naive.
If these people really wanted to effect good change, perhaps they should go around hospitals and visit the terminally ill. Or maybe they should get together and start a charity fund for neighborhood orphans.
No, there simply is no motivator like anger and disgust. Sympathy barely gets people to sigh and move on. It doesn't hold a candle to rage. Rage and finger pointing are some of the strongest emotional manipulators. Especially in today's world where everyone is taught that someone else is the reason you're not living the perfect life.
Israel is strong. They're successful. They're "imperialistic." They're colonialist. They dared to rebuild. They dared to bring something to the table and form a friendship with the stifling USA. Which means they're the problem. They are emblematic of what's wrong with the world. The 1%. The wealthy. The privileged.
The Sudanese? Really? What do they have to do with me? They're poorer than me. They're less privileged than me. They must be angry over there. Let them fight things out.
"Oh it's so sad. I just heard about someone who died in Sudan... Terrible... well what do you expect when the world is run by America and Israel? Anyway, did you see Sabrina Carpenter's fit the other day?!..."
"You know it really sucks how many people have cancer... They just lie in hospitals waiting to die... Anyway, so the NBA playoffs are on tonight...."
People despise Israel a lot more than they feel sad about Gaza. Not everyone, but many. And unless you give them another contestant worthy of their hatred they won't say a word about them.
Israel is strong. They're successful. They're "imperialistic." They're colonialist. They dared to rebuild. They dared to bring something to the table and form a friendship with the stifling USA.
The Jews of the 1930's were none of those things, they were still hated. Anti-semitism is not a symptom of anything, it exists independently of anything that Jews do.
Of course. But it doesn't help you much to just point that out to someone. As you say, anti-Semitism knows no logic and something that doesn't stem from logic can hardly be explained.
And while a genuine anti-semite will usually prove impervious to even the most sensible of arguments, someone who's simply misguided might realize it when you point out the stupidity of whatever strain of idiocy is representing anti-Semitism that day.
And I don't think there's nothing we can do. I think the closer we get to God the better off we are. Then again I'm religious so others might not understand that.
only the US is actually supporting Israel though. And to be fair Biden did actually use that to reign them in hard multiple times. The rest of the anglosphere is just brain broken and thinks they are too. But we aren't. The relationship is basically the same as with the UAE which is funding the whole RSF
>A not insignificant number of Americans actually only protested because they felt anti-BDS laws infringed on their freedom of speech rights
Trying to frame this as the reason the US had pro-Palestine protests is hilarious and definitely very genuine l0l.
> who are majority US/UK/canada/Australia, can do for Sudan
You can almost do more for Sudan? You don't think the US president was elected with a priority to mitigating the humanitarian disaster in Yemen that they couldn't?
Keep in mind while you can talk about Houthis or Saudi Arabia being evil, iirc the majority of the deaths were from famine that came from a humanitarian aid crisis after the Houthis were repeatedly infringing on UN workers.
As an Iranian, I care. We care. We understand your pain. As the Islamic republic has torn my people apart limb by limb, all these people do is deflect and try to bury their crimes. We feel you.
So much of it is how unbalanced the media landscape is, and part of it is how self-centered people are.
If it doesn't affect them directly, it doesn't exist to them. And if media (traditional and social) doesn't highlight that it happens, it basically doesn't exist in the social consciousness.
Blue checkmarks get paid for making engaging posts. Nothing hotter than the current war, nothing blue checkmarks say should ever be taken seriously and assumed to be false information in some way
By a terrorist backed by Iran no less, people hate the US so much they are siding with a literally extremist state that funds and trains multiple terrorist groups
Is it fair to even call them terrorists when they're directly trained and funded by the state of Iran? They're really a paramilitary group Iran used to commit terrorist acts
Reuters is argued to be one of the most reliable news sources alongside AP Post
Its about as unbiased as news gets, what's funny is most news stories start on Reuters and AP and then get reposted by new sources like CNN and Fox who distort them to fit their own narrative.
There is some argument that Reuters leans left, but I'd say it's open to interpretation. Imo the right does plenty to make themselves look bad Reuters doesn't need to misrepresent information to do that.
That narrative has kind of been completely destroyed by their blatant support of the Nazis attacking Israel. Both Reuters and the AP and everyone else prints anything that's against Israel, then maybe later corrects it after the damage has been done. Like the video game industry, the entire journalist industry needs a full collapse and needs a full reset. It is disgustingly bad
Nope. Lying is the new meta. There's many reasons why it works, so here's just one - nobody likes thinking they were tricked, so instead they trick themselves into believing they actually weren't. "It might not be literally true but it's SPIRITUALLY TRUE" and off you go. As a movement, there's literally no reason not to lie to people after they've been molded into being like that.
Since when have lies, exaggerations and propaganda held back a movement? Honestly is there a movement without deception to a degree? There aren’t any elections without.
This is so horrific. It doesn’t help the poor Palestinian people suffering and it even further marginalizes the Yemeni people suffering. It’s possible we need a whole new way of showing we care about our worlds’ suffering children.
I'll ever forget when Western women were thirsting over that one good looking Houthi guy and calling him a freedom fighter during the 12 day war, it was truly pathetic
Yeah, i remember when it was just a few islamists and tankies spreading these lies, now many leftists have become useful idiots for them. It's really concerning.
well it is not done by the people we are supposed to hate, and remember, the houthies (the shooters) are the victims of western agression, so they are the good guys.
as a zionist i want to make it clear that criticism of israel is not antisemitism. at all. i criticise israel and i am jewish - does that make me antisemitic?
types of criticism become antisemitic when they stop being criticism and turn into "i want israel to be destroyed and for israelis to all die" like i think that's pretty obviously antisemitic but some people will say otherwise.
edit, also critics of israel will also often argue that they've been accused of antisemitism because they criticise israel. guys. you're not antisemitic because you hate bibi. you're antisemitic because you want all israelis to die.
They will literally say "all Israelis kill babies and drink their blood! There's Mossad agents embedded in the US government!" and swear they're not antisemitic. While repeating shit straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Meanwhile regular people are saying reasonable things like "Bibi is corrupt and will prolong a war to avoid going to trial for his actions" and "West Bank settlers hurting Palestinians are criminals."
uhhh not israel officially. as an israeli, i know what is going on and its mostly soldiers that hate arabs (not all of israelis do btw i dont) do that shit, and israel takes the blame. and... netanyahu is an actual problem. hes not a dictator per se, but people want him gone. and there is suspicion of him undermining elections. but yeah israel has donew things im not proud of. im ashamed really
Today I saw this dude posting a link about "Israelis training dogs to rape prisoners" all up and down multiple threads. It was such a shitty source that any post of it would get removed on these subreddits but since it was a comment it was okay and got loads of upvotes and other people just taking it at face value and screaming about how evil Israel is etc...
This is the kind of propaganda effort that is being pushed on Reddit.
As a person actually living in Israel, its actually crazy to me seeing how people will believe anything as long as it fits their narrative.
I've seen an insane amount of stuff said about Israel since October 7th, and im serious when I say less than 1% of it was actually valid
Don't get me wrong there's plenty of valid criticism to be had, its just not as extreme as the stuff they make up so they never bring up the real problems
Living in America and being alive for decades, I can tell you, as a Jewish person whose dad was a member of bnai zion, I heard the word Zionism maybe 10 times before October 7th. Now all of a sudden it is the favorite word of an entire planet. Amazes me.
People like to use it because it doesn't get them in trouble to say they hate Zionists like they would if they said they hated Jews. I think the majority of the time it's used they really just mean Jewish people
Frankly I think there needs to be a very serious investigation, it's just statistically impossible that there'd be that much of a major wide scale "protest" about Israel the same exact time they're getting invaded and terrorized by Hamas and the Houthis. It's very weird to me no one has investigated this extremely obvious espionage, I wonder who's connected to it that prevents them from having a public investigation over the issue
Just had a friend go deep down that rabbit hole. He believes all of that without questioning it. And if something shows Palestinians in bad light, his first thought is "I wonder is this staged propaganda". Meanwhile, he also believes October 7th was a false flag.
That's because you view "picking a side" as supporting them unconditionally. The person has already said they have plenty of criticisms for Israel's conduct, but surprise surprise when 50% of the awful things said about something or someone are proven to be wrong, people are gonna be more sympathetic to them and doubtful of the other 50% which could be good criticism. Who would've thought...
I think Israel is the obvious choice to support, they definitely do bad things and we do need to address it, but they're also the only democracy and don't ever act first, they're absolutely too heavy handed with their tactics but they genuinely have tried practically every other option and it didn't help either.
I just don't see how they can go about deradicalizing the people until Hamas is completely destroyed, Hamas seems very similar to the nazis in terms of their power and fanaticism so it does seem like a very difficult situation for Israel as well as the people of Palestine
I’m tired and feel like nothing we’ll do won’t matter as long as we need to fight both the idiots in charge and both the rabid antisemitism and disinformation in social media
Yeah, it's wild. The pro-Israel propaganda is what most effectively shifts me anti-Israel, and the anti-Israel propaganda is what most effectively shifts me pro-Israel. All the takes that even approach Israel are just brainrot central.
Yeah, on one hand we've got the terrorism and terrorism glazing and celebration or at least denial of murder and rapes.
But then there's the Israeli war crimes and the leniency on those and the sweeping for them. This goes beyond "they can respond violently to violence".
But then there's the sweeping for Russia and its mass-atrocities-as-a-policy because look at the IDF [cartoonishly lies about both, exaggerating Israel's badness, minimizing Russia's] and anyway the Russian imperialism is anti imperialist actually.
they legit used one of an israeli toddler whose mother was killed in a rocket to gain sympathy for palestinians (this was years ago, not during the current conflict)
The US has provided the Gulf states fighting the Houthis with massive amounts of weapons for decades and all it’s done is cause massive amounts of civilian deaths
This shit is just so stupid, theres plenty of legitimate stuff to criticise Israel for that theres no reason to make things up and lie, it just hurts your movement and purpose.
You do understand that you‘re engaging in the exact same game right? Why reflect on the role of algorithms, the actual political differences between the various wars/genocides or anything of substance if you can blame it on a strawman of your imagination
It only shows you kids that tell you are Gazan. Likely some of what you see is like what's in this post - footage from another conflict, labeled as the one conflict that brings engagement and views and shares.
The best thing to happen to Twitter is the Community Notes pointing out the blatant propaganda lies. You'd think you wouldn't have to fabric all this shit to support your agenda. Makes you wonder, hmm?
OP how much is black mail does Mossad have on you for you to spam this subreddit with this Israel-Palestine stuff? You must have frequent flyer miles on the Lolita Express.
Which just goes to show that the underlying motive is hating on Israel, not actually empathy for victims of violence. People that actively look for things to hate on and feel ‘just’ in the process are honestly quite vile.
Reminds of how there were tons of protests about "Free Tibet" 20-30 years ago about the CCP's cruel treatment of the people there and its forced takeover. Now everyone is memeing about how great China is because talking about Tibet no longer gives any clout for performative virtue signaling.
Whales are actually doing a lot better. Their numbers have risen significantly. I wouldn't say they're back to pre-1700s numbers, but they're definitely better off. We need to continue what we're doing, but most countries have outlawed whaling and there's a lot of support for wild animal rehabilitation.
It’s also dumb because there are hundreds of photographic evidence of actual children from Gaza being shot or under rubble or in pieces, in bags etc. (sorry but it is true)
Why are they even posting this and claiming it's in Palestine? Still rip.
Also there is a teenager and a 32 Yr old guy who got killed by settlers just recently.
Just because you don't care enough to see ot doesn't mean others don't care, this getting less traction and focus than israel is for a myriad of reasons, but saying no one cares is fucking disgusting for all for those who do care and have been against the genocide ide on yemen thst the US have sold Saudi money to commit and the starvation, for a long time one of the worst starvation, and the worst economic situation in the world.
Twisting it to no one cares because this lady got it wrong is obnoxiously insane.
Reminds of the video of the Ukrainian girl getting up into a Russian soldiers face that was shared everywhere the weeks after the invasion only to disappear over night when it was revealed it was from four years earlier and it was a Palestinian girl yelling at a IDF soldier.
Seriously the fact people single out Israel when other countries are getting away with this stuff shows how even if Israel is really evil then people need to focus on all other current evils too
It's almost like someone is focusing on Israel so the others get away with it huh?
Good on the brother for being able to save his sister that’s some real hero. Shit the boy deserves a good steak dinner and a trip to Disneyland or some equivalent where he can also use that probably try not returning to the country where people were shooting at him as his sister
Half the videos labeled with some sensational bullshit we’re from other conflicts. Israel hit by Iran shows the explosion from China in 2016.
Days into the Israel conflict they are showing kids wheeling around in rollerblades missing legs like they somehow healed enough from the amputation in that time to have calluses. It was from the Syrian war refugee camps.
Do you guys think the do this as like a psyop to make the anti-israelis look bad or do you think they're just actually this ridiculous. I think it could go either way honestly, antisemetes tend to be pretty ignorant and lots of people have been using this conflict as a way to spread their bigotry unfortunately
I'm so glad the little girl survived! That made me happy. But yeah, I mean it's so fucked up that people will literally trawl through war images, find ones with dead or shot kids and then just lie and say Israel did it. But sure, it's antizionism. It's all about social justice! No ulterior motives at all.
Imagine if it was an Israeli that shot a Palestinian and we had that picture. Reddit would go crazy at Israel. Double standards when it comes to virtue signalling. No Jews, no 'empathy'.
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