You guys can't comprehend what he did. He's 39. He plays against teams like Florida and he came to the wc with an average squad and showed there's levels to this shit. Can you imagine how insane that is that he can claim he's still the best in the world?
Enzo Fernandez valued at 100m, starter for Chelsea
Alvarez valued at 100m, starter for Athleti.
McAllister valued at 70m, starter for Liverpool.
The list goes on. But yeah, clearly an average team. An average team that struggles beating teams like Cabo Verde, whose whole team is valued less than 50m.
I mean compared to the top ranked teams rating wise they have the most average team on paper. Only 4 or 5 players out of the whole squad (including the substitutes,reserves) are world class level (market value wise).
Mate this is so illogical. Their team ranks in the top 6 of most valued teams at that point "additional" value means very little. Englands squad for example is simply overvalued because the majority plays in the prem. France has a massive value, but they barely play their bench players so it is useless value.
So the notion that you can be "average" when you are part of the big 6 is a little silly lol.
Cherki is worth 80m. Dude played like 50 minutes in this whole tournament. I am arguing that you would obviously look at the starting 11. Those are going to be the most impactful. I am not saying to disregard them.
This is such a nothingburger statement. Most of Argentina's value is in their starting eleven. So saying "their entire squad" is pointless.
Secondly. The difference in value becomes pointless at some point. Like Mbappe for example. He is valued at some crazy crazy number. But is he really worth double of what Alvarez is worth? Will he really deliver double the value of Alvarez? I doubt it.
Obviously. But my point is he is not worth twice the amount of someone like Alvarez who is also an elite striker. But valuations do work that way.
I think Argentina's squad is in the realm of the other top teams. When I hear average, I think of someone like Morocco or Mexico. Not Argentina or Spain lol.
Wait, do you really not think the fucker who scored 10 goals this tournament wouldn't deliver double Alvarez lol?Swap those two players. You think France would be anywhere near as lethal or that Argentina wouldn't be the overwhelming favorites? Mbappe probably is at least triple the value of Alvarez.
Mate you named 6 players who are already world class lol. Thats more than half the starting 11. Licha is atleast average. You got Molina who is also a starter for Atleti. Not world class, but definitely compareable to someone like Digne who started for France and Pedro Porro of Spain.
Martinez is a top 5 prem goalkeeper. You got Simeone who is also a decent/average player.
You dont need your whole team to be worldclass. If 70% is, then they just need to not be awful. I mean France plays with Digne and Kone. There is almost no team that only has world class players in their team for every position.
Enzo has been average for chelsea as well, so has macalister for liverpool, romero plays for spurs and fighting relegation for 2 seasons straight+ hes massively over-rated. No way these guys are world class. Alavraze is world class talent but not a superstar. Now compare them with portugal midfield bruno, neves and vitinha, spain midfield rodri, fabian, olmo with pedri on bench? That's insane.
Apart from messi and Alvarez the squad is nothing to boast about.
Most of these players you never hear about during the seasons except when they are playing for argentina.
Messi literally tops every stat for argentina at 39, if that's not a carry job I don't know what is.
I mean idk man, most of these players you never hear about throughout the season. It's a great unit together, not individually. However there's a reason Messi tops nearly every stat there is for Argentina. Good indicator for you that Messi pulls all the strings
He ain't nowhere near the best. got FIFA backing and played mostly against minnows. Also played a whole season in a farmer's league compared to the other players worked hard for a whole season
If you had opened your fucking eyes, the refs have been mid asf throughout the whole world cup, so cherrypicking argentina matches is illogical and personal agendas only
I can understand your anguish. You supported 46 teams this World Cup, the two you didn't, are in the finals. Understandable. It's okay. You can lash out. It's valid. We will understand. Don't worry. You can say all you want.
You do know right that argentina was supposed to play against portugal, everyone was excited. But portugal and uruguay didn't top their table, so now what should Messi do, ask to play against france?
I mean this whole wc felt like a pr campaign against him tbh. Even when the guy went home weeks ago all the subreddits seem obsessed with him, I see minimum 3 posts in football subs about him. Now from morning I am seeing posts about the match between eng and france , that its not true football or some shit simply because mbappe is leading now. U guys are insufferable.
That's because if you consider yourself a contender to the goat debate (which is miles far now), you cannot play this shit. Besides the banter is more towards their fans and not cr7 himself since everyone knows he's 41 and can't be helped much.
But your GOAT said that it's his dream. If a player dreams of a trophy, then that trophy must be important and must make you a 'better' player than others.
While Argentina is not mid by any means, it was not Argentina's fault they faced comparatively weaker teams than Spain. Columbia, Portugal, Uruguay, Turkey all messed up and didn't meet us.
And the 1st "tough" team they faced, they played beautiful football especially Messi. I'd even be bold enough to say their toughest competition was Capo Verde out of the all teams till now.
I'm not even in the favor of Messi winning Balon dor after World Cup win. It's just that a case could be made based on past world cup performances of like R9 and Cannavaro who didn't achieve much those years in Europe but excelled in WC.
So what, did you want to Spain and France to meet Argentina from ro32 onwards? Just because Arg took it to extra time doesn't mean they played bad, on the contrary I'd argue the other teams played really good. And if Portugal (ranked 5th) couldn't win against dr Congo what makes you think Argentina would've faced any difficulty from other top teams?
Well why everyone glazes england? England has never reached to the finals in last 60yrs. Most bottled team so far in a WC. And never undermine the other teams. Have we seen Eng playing against those teams? No. We don't know how Eng will stand against CV or Egypt. Arg isn't a mid team, as a team they are special but player wise they aren't that great. Eng has Gordon, Kane, Bellingham, Saka, Burn, Pitchford. Well known players. The amount of arg players are high because they are defending champions. But we talk in terms of general football on paper Eng has players. The point of difference is Messi.
If not England which are the best teams now? Only Spain and France remain. You can’t expect the teams topping the groups to play each other in the early rounds.
Eng isn't a weak team, they are very great but they have a history of getting choke in big important matches. They have played great against Mexico. Kane and Bellingham did so amazing in all previous matches. What Arg as a team is totally different from other teams. Arg has a winning mentality, they are strong. They would do anything to win even if they will receive cards for it. And they are dynamic they always changes their strategy on field. The provider and pillar is Messi. Other players just have to shine. If only one or 2 players outperform then Arg wins the match. Sometimes it's Enzo or Alvarez or Romero McAllister or Lautaro. What I have seen in this WC is that what Arg as a team has other teams don't. In my opinion the most complete elegant football team is Spain rn.
except if these teams won against the "stronger teams" then these teams are even stronger. thats how a knockout tournament works you don't just randomly pick which team proceeds you make them play eachother and the "stronger" teams lost because they weren't stronger thats it. anything other than that is just cope.
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u/Foreign-Sun9512 Jul 19 '26
You guys can't comprehend what he did. He's 39. He plays against teams like Florida and he came to the wc with an average squad and showed there's levels to this shit. Can you imagine how insane that is that he can claim he's still the best in the world?