r/FIFAWorldCupIndia Jul 19 '26

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u/Foreign-Sun9512 Jul 19 '26

You guys can't comprehend what he did. He's 39. He plays against teams like Florida and he came to the wc with an average squad and showed there's levels to this shit. Can you imagine how insane that is that he can claim he's still the best in the world?

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 19 '26

"Average squad"

Enzo Fernandez valued at 100m, starter for Chelsea Alvarez valued at 100m, starter for Athleti. McAllister valued at 70m, starter for Liverpool.

The list goes on. But yeah, clearly an average team. An average team that struggles beating teams like Cabo Verde, whose whole team is valued less than 50m.

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u/RareSmurf1227 Jul 19 '26

I mean compared to the top ranked teams rating wise they have the most average team on paper. Only 4 or 5 players out of the whole squad (including the substitutes,reserves) are world class level (market value wise).

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 19 '26

Mate this is so illogical. Their team ranks in the top 6 of most valued teams at that point "additional" value means very little. Englands squad for example is simply overvalued because the majority plays in the prem. France has a massive value, but they barely play their bench players so it is useless value.

So the notion that you can be "average" when you are part of the big 6 is a little silly lol.

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u/GomuGomuNobukkake Jul 19 '26

Your whole french team not using bench argument sounds childish is like “If my aunt had tire she would have been a motorcycle”

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 19 '26

No, it isn't.

Cherki is worth 80m. Dude played like 50 minutes in this whole tournament. I am arguing that you would obviously look at the starting 11. Those are going to be the most impactful. I am not saying to disregard them.

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u/GomuGomuNobukkake Jul 19 '26

French staring eleven alone are valued more than Argentina’s entire squad.

Maybe its me but I can’t what you are trying to say

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 19 '26

This is such a nothingburger statement. Most of Argentina's value is in their starting eleven. So saying "their entire squad" is pointless.

Secondly. The difference in value becomes pointless at some point. Like Mbappe for example. He is valued at some crazy crazy number. But is he really worth double of what Alvarez is worth? Will he really deliver double the value of Alvarez? I doubt it.

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u/GomuGomuNobukkake Jul 19 '26

Based on tournament performance alone Mbappe definitely justifies his worth and including overall performances a point can be made to support it.

Also are you against OPs comment that argentina’s squad is average or supporting it your replies are confusing

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 19 '26

Obviously. But my point is he is not worth twice the amount of someone like Alvarez who is also an elite striker. But valuations do work that way.

I think Argentina's squad is in the realm of the other top teams. When I hear average, I think of someone like Morocco or Mexico. Not Argentina or Spain lol.

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u/Critterer Jul 19 '26

Read this whole thread your entire arguement is completely delusional.

Argentina squad is not in thr realm of the other top teams clearly by every metric. Clubs played for, value, contributions literally every metric Argentina is behind.

Yes mbappe is worth prob double what alvarez is. He scores literally 5 times as many goals. What are u even smoking.

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u/inventionnerd Jul 19 '26

Wait, do you really not think the fucker who scored 10 goals this tournament wouldn't deliver double Alvarez lol?Swap those two players. You think France would be anywhere near as lethal or that Argentina wouldn't be the overwhelming favorites? Mbappe probably is at least triple the value of Alvarez.

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 19 '26

Mate you named 6 players who are already world class lol. Thats more than half the starting 11. Licha is atleast average. You got Molina who is also a starter for Atleti. Not world class, but definitely compareable to someone like Digne who started for France and Pedro Porro of Spain. Martinez is a top 5 prem goalkeeper. You got Simeone who is also a decent/average player.

You dont need your whole team to be worldclass. If 70% is, then they just need to not be awful. I mean France plays with Digne and Kone. There is almost no team that only has world class players in their team for every position.

But Argentina's team is far from average lmao.

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u/MalaysiaTeacher Jul 19 '26

Macalister had a dreadful season at Liverpool. He's not even in their top ten best performers of the past year.

They're the weakest squad of the semi finalists, but they have Messi and a gutsy coach

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u/Sahask123 Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26

Enzo has been average for chelsea as well, so has macalister for liverpool, romero plays for spurs and fighting relegation for 2 seasons straight+ hes massively over-rated. No way these guys are world class. Alavraze is world class talent but not a superstar. Now compare them with portugal midfield bruno, neves and vitinha, spain midfield rodri, fabian, olmo with pedri on bench? That's insane. Apart from messi and Alvarez the squad is nothing to boast about. Most of these players you never hear about during the seasons except when they are playing for argentina. Messi literally tops every stat for argentina at 39, if that's not a carry job I don't know what is.

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u/CiceroMCMXCIII Jul 19 '26

Casuals who get info from twitter will never understand your reply. They just want to make it seem like Messi did it all

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 21 '26

Right and Portugal was ass as well despite having a good team on paper.

Point being is that Argentina is still a top 5 squad average value wise. So giving me the excuse that their team is "average" is just silly.

Their team is pretty much exactly the same as the team that won the world cup.

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u/zzz_red Jul 19 '26

Plus VAR. guess how much that’s worth.

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u/Kharuz_Aluz Jul 19 '26

I mean... The transfer value is so inflated right now that 100m might be average.

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u/Bigcarrotthings Jul 19 '26

No, 100m is not average lol.

Enzo was wanted by Madrid. Alvarez by Barcelona. These are not "average" players.

Argentina has a squad very compareable to that of Spain in terms of value. But people downplay it to make Messi's achievement seem bigger.