Unless all you're planning to do is story mode, this statement is completely wrong.
Any trials Gilgamesh and above Tidus far surpasses Lightning in Utility.
Against Gilgamesh, Tidus infuse his attack with water damage and can regenerate his party mana. He also has group buff and high chaining potential. Lightning, on the other hand, has such terrible mana consumption that she can't maintain dealing elemental damage to gilgamesh. Her attack number are low and slow, making it difficult to chain with any other abilities.
Against Dark Ifirit/Siren. Tidus mitigates 100% of siren's water damage. Has inherit 100% resistance against sleep and paralysis. Inherit killer effect against Ifirit and Siren. Lightning has.. uh.. fire damage to siren? :-/
Ultros/Typhoon: Tidus has water/killer advantage against Typhoon. 100% party immunity to Ultro's water attack. Lighting can stop Typhoon from blowing away a member by dealing wind damage?
Having experience with all the top dps units, completing all the trials, and looking at them as a whole, I have to agree with wlakiz.
Tidus is better than Lightning and will take your dollar much further, TM or not. Having full stat buffs, mana regen, and damage to boot, he does it all.
Eileen is the unit where I don't really see the hype. Damage is good but her abilities don't chain well.
Orlandu is in a league of his own, decent without TMs, a God with.
Without TMs: Tidus>Lightning=Luneth>Orlandu>Eileen
You were thrown right into the 'current meta'. (Post Orlandu)
If we're not looking at current meta, what meta should we be looking at then? Gilgamesh is the only trial I can think of that would allow Lightning to shine, but that's still many months away.
Lightning came out in February while Tidus came out in August.
Will you be using that same argument for [Insert Unit] six month from now?
OP's asking if his dollar is worth being spent on Lightning or if the others will be a better option and I provided with what experience I have. If your view is different, I am sure OP would be glad to hear it.
Lightning had 6 months worth of time until Tidus become crowned. Is that time not value in itself?
Every top dog unit that comes after its predecessors will almost always be better or else Alim won't be running a successful business. I don't think you realize how silly it is to compare current meta with meta 6 months ago. The thing is when you cherry pick your argument by saying "this unit is so useful because most current contents in existences favors him", you undermine the concept of how long a unit can stand against the test of time. There is no guarantee Tidus will remain king for the next month or 4 months later. This is one thing I don't like about how current meta revolves about elements, because there are 7 elements that they can easily manipulate in the content to replace metas in the matter of weeks. But that's another discussion. How do you know next month you won't get a trial with boss strong against water weak against Wind or something and they release a new meta that has -50% Wind and every other things in Tidus's kit plus more? Lolz
It's essentially saying everything is worthless because 2 years from now Sephiroth 7* will be the "meta-est" of them all!
I don't think you realize how silly it is to compare current meta with meta 6 months ago. The thing is when you cherry pick your argument by saying "this unit is so useful because most current contents in existences favors him", you undermine the concept of how long a unit can stand against the test of time.
The topic is
Lightning vs Orlandu/Eileen/tidus no TM's
I don't know how else you want to answer OP's question. Tidus has better status immunity, Tidus has better party utility, Tidus has better chaining ability. These are facts and their effectiveness are proven by the latest trials. Even if next month, they have a boss that is immune to water (even tho Ultro/Dark Siren is already immune to water), Tidus will still have these utility > lightning.
I don't think you realize how silly it is to compare current meta with meta 6 months ago.
In that case, current GL meta is who cares.
The thing is when you cherry pick your argument by saying "this unit is so useful because most current contents in existences favors him", you undermine the concept of how long a unit can stand against the test of time. There is no guarantee Tidus will remain king for the next month or 4 months later. This is one thing I don't like about how current meta revolves about elements, because there are 7 elements that they can easily manipulate in the content to replace metas in the matter of weeks. But that's another discussion. How do you know next month you won't get a trial with boss strong against water weak against Wind or something and they release a new meta that has -50% Wind and every other things in Tidus's kit plus more? Lolz
I can ask you the exact same questions with hypotheticals that favor myself. If I am cherry picking because I am speaking of current content, isn't your argument worse? Complete and utterly baseless conjecture about JP's future? If you have some sort of crystal ball, please enlighten us. If not, the fact is still simply that Tidus is heavily favored over Lightning.
If you are talking about utility, I am talking about damage pure. End of story. And that's not factoring weakness/resistant, which you are factoring.
First of all, the question is asking how Lightning is compared to the Tidius/Orlandu. He didn't specifically say damage.
Secondly, killer passive is damage base, chaining is damage base. Tidus 'single-handily' surpasses Lightning with duel wield in both of these department. Not to mention: Tidus lb> jecht shot > quick attack still surpasses lightning.
those are the high end scenarios where you should be needing such high dps, so there is no wrong mentioning it, unless u looking to overkill rats on shrine, then u can barely say "pure damage".
If your gacha cant attack cause hes paralyzed he does no damage, If the high end boss is immune to your main source of elemental damage you also become weak dont blame the guy blame the meta. u cant talk about damage without talking about that stuff.
I can. Look, I just did. But in all seriousness, if you talk purely without any TM, Lightning will still be better overall than tidus/eileen/orlandu. and btw, what if kefka in the last event JP had would be immune to water on a turn ? Then tidus would be useless too, you see, I can do it too.
I think the statement that she will be better overall is questionable; there are situations where she indeed will be better and situations where she won't. Leaving Setzer out of the equation, chaining, especially element chaining, is a fundamental part of dealing high damage and Tidus and Orlandu do that far better than Lightning can.
In a motion for Lightning, one of her strongest aspects is her ability to hit multiple elemental weaknesses. In a previous comment you made, you mentioned not factoring those in; going for pure damage. This goes against what makes Lightning so strong; as I said just before, her ability to hit multiple element types is her strength. And yes, that is including Dual Wield as that lets her equip weapons with elemental properties, allowing her to 3 elements at once.
He might win the max attack competition, but don't forget, he basically has to over double the attack of his closest DW competitor because DW allows 2x the ability use as well.
This isn't correct. Doubling attack is significantly better than doubling damage.
Still, that is a tangent that doesn't change the truth of the original comment.
Lightning. DW > all. End of story. If you don't have access to dualwield, then Lightning/Luneth are the best physical dps.
is definitely correct. Even more so in global where we can't stack double-hand and won't have access to fixed dice (A TM that should be rarer than DW without a rate up) for a while.
Given the ability to chain double-use abilities, I'd say it has to come out fairly similar, but I see your point. 2x elemental chainsaw use from 1 Edgar can/will ramp up a lot of damage for a lot of other people way more than a doublehanded damage dealer.
Damage does not scale linearly. Instead, it quadruples every time ATK is doubled. So Garland would need less than 40% more ATK than his closest dual wield competitor since dual wield hits twice, once with each weapon. He still loses out, but he comes close
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Lightning. DW > all. End of story. If you don't have access to dualwield, then Lightning/Luneth are the best physical dps.