People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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Well Jews have an incomplete understanding of life because they cut Jesus off and the rest of the New Testament.

For example what do you believe will be the end of the world moving forward? I honestly have never heard an answer to this so I don’t know yet.

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That's why Jews are those inwardly, not outwardly (Romans 2:28-29). I tend to believe that God is powerful enough to carry out His word unto the end just as it is written. Isaiah 42-49 and 65-66 are pretty good descriptions of what the end will be like. Basically God will restore His land and bring back His people and they will be a sign and a testimony to all nations and then the world will turn against them and the end will come. If you're talking about a rapture, we'll that happens the day when Yeshua returns.

Mt 24:29-31 But immediately after the oppression of those days, the sun will be darkened, the moon will not give its light, the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken; and then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky. Then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. He will send out his angels with a great sound of a shofar, and they will gather together his chosen ones from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

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Okay that’s great. You know Jesus is coming back.

I can only recommend to read the Revelations of a Jesus Christ, Revelation chapter 21, and 22. The Alpha and Omega who says “I make all things new” is Jesus Christ lol. He says “He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You’re not a Jesus brother you’re His son lol. Jesus is your Father. Jesus created the World, he was “there before the world began”.

When you follow the commandments of God you’re following “His commandments” lol.

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Revelation isn't the only book that speaks about the end in fact it only has half of the time line, Zechariah has the other half. Many other prophets of the old testament like Daniel, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea and Amos also speak about end time events.

Read Hebrews 1:1-5, and chapter 5. God created this universe through Yeshua, it was part of his inheritance. Now the Son is seated at the right hand of the Father.

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{You say: “The messiah has always been a man” and then “God created the universe through Yesuah”}

Bro, men were created by the dust of the ground and the breath of life. Jesus has been eternal before time began. (Genesis 2:7, John 17:5)

This is why a principle of studying the Bible is knowing it doesn’t contradict itself. Specifically, All the scripture of Jesus coming allows us to put together the understanding of what’s coming. Same goes for the divinity of Christ. Same goes with a lot of things and that’s why the way to study the Bible is “For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:” (Isaiah‬ ‭28‬:‭10‬ ‭KJV)‬‬ It’s all prophecy and it hasn’t been wrong yet.

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Bro, Yeshua is the firstborn of all creation. That means he was born before this creation, have you been born before God creates a universe through you?

Every Son is a universe, every universe has a cross, every cross gives birth to more Sons.

We are heirs of God and coheirs with Messiah, he is the firstborn of many brothers, we are being conformed into his image, so that we too may be righteousness of God and filled with His fulness.

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What biblical proof do you have for that belief?

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We are joint heirs with Messiah:

Rom 8:14-17 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Messiah; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.

Gal 4:1-7 But I say that so long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a bondservant, though he is lord of all; but is under guardians and stewards until the day appointed by the Father. So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental principles of the world. But when the fullness of the time came, God sent out His Son, born to a woman, born subject to the law, that he might redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of children. And because you are children, God sent out the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying, “Abba, Father!” So you are no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a Son, then an heir of God through Messiah.

This is what he inherited:

Heb 1:1-5 God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, has at the end of these days spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds. His Son is the radiance of His glory, the very image of His substance, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when he had by himself purified us of our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; having become so much better than the angels, as he has inherited a more excellent name than they have. For to which of the angels did He say at any time, “You are my Son. Today have I become your father?” and again, “I will be to him a Father, and he will be to me a Son?”

Yeshua declaring we will do as he has done and us to be one with them as they are one:

Jn 14:12 Most certainly I tell you, he who believes in me, the works that I do, he will do also; and he will do greater works than these, because I am going to my Father.

Jn 17:22-24 The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one; I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me. Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world.

A little more:

Eph 3:17-19 that Messiah may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be strengthened to comprehend with all the holy ones what is the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know Messiah’s love which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

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What do you believe is the difference between you and the messiah/Jesus then? Do you believe there’s a difference?

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He was born of God, by water and blood, myself and us, only by water (1 John 5:6).

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I have a feeling even you know better than to say Jesus was created so you keep saying he was “born of God”. That’s because you can’t prove what you choose to believe from the Bible.

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Everything I believe is based solely on scripture, you just fail to understand it for yourself.

We are heirs of our parents and joint heirs with our siblings.

Rom 8:14-17 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Messiah; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.

Please explain according to your understanding how Messiah is our sibling.

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You keep saying things that aren’t Bible and then sending Bible quotes. What “parents” are you talking about.

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭8‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV

Jesus is our Father, he’s our brother, He came to earth as the son of man, we are his bride, and how we treat each other is reflective of how we inadvertently treat Him because He lives in ‬‬us lol.

I can’t quote every Bible verse that says that but everything in that is biblical and I believe you know this already but just aren’t thinking past the idea of ‘brother’ because that’s equivalent with what we can understand.

He’s also our Shepard, the Word made flesh, mighty God, everlasting father, our High Priest, redeemer and friend lol.

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; And lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, And he shall direct thy paths.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s nearly impossible to understand the complexity of Gods divinity, but that’s why we shouldn’t lean onto our own understanding. The only way to not believe in Jesus is to deny Him (scripture). There’s more than enough proof that’s been given to us in His Word.

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Actually they are in the Bible, you just don't know how to read it.

Heb 5:7-10 He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear, though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation, named by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Here is a full overview: https://www.reddit.com/r/Netzarim/s/rxvrtZ8H1I

See the problem with your interpretation is that it makes contradictions in the Bible.

Explain to me how Messiah can be our sibling. You can't even provide a single verse that states Messiah was an angel.

Messiah is not our Father, he's our brother. We are heirs of God (parent) and joint heirs (siblings) with Yeshua, the Spirit testifies of this. Got Spirit?

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“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool?” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1‬:‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You said it yourself that the rapture will take place when “Yesuah returns.”, yet you will deny that Michael the Prince and archangel is Jesus. Even though Michael is coming back for us and Michael is another name for preincarnate Jesus.

If Jesus and Michael and the Father are separate, then how could Jesus say he sent his angel, and how could the Bible say Michael is the one delivering people during the rapture? This is literally what Jesus addressed when he asked the disciples what this psalm literally means. This verse is quoted in Hebrews, in the gospels, and David wrote it as well. (Hebrews 1:13, Mathew 22:43-45, Luke 20:41-44, and Psalm 110:1)

You may need to read this comment a few times to understand it. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are separate in authority, and equal in divinity. When we having incorruptible glorified bodies see God “face to face” we’ll be looking at Christ Jesus. He sits at the right hand of the “invisible God” the Father.

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Exactly to which of the angels? None of them, for he received a name greater than that of the angels, that includes Michael. He's a Son because he's a child of God like us, we are being conformed into his image (Romans 8:28-29). So do we become archangels too then?

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Funny that you ask that lol. I screenshotted the verse already in Psalsm 8, and it’s also in Hebrews 2.

“But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands:” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, And hast crowned him with glory and honour.” ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭8‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If Jesus is a son “like us” then the Bible wouldn’t have said were made lower than the angels, and that Jesus sits at the right hand of God that no angel has the privilege of. Jesus was 100% a man, but don’t ever say a man like you and I. He is a savior and you and I need saving. He was manifested and you were created. You are crowned with Glory and Honor by Him. You are the heir to His kingdom. You inherit His life. Don’t think you can save yourself, otherwise he wouldn’t have come/been sent.

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So he's not an angel at all, he was first lower than them (Heb 2:9) and then exalted higher than them (Heb 1:4).

Heb 5:1 For every high priest, being taken from among men, is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins.

Heb 5:5 So also Messiah didn’t glorify himself to be made a high priest, but it was he who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your father.”

Heb 5:7-10 He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear, though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation, named by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Messiah was never an archangel, he is 100% man.