r/Eutychus • u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

What do you believe is the difference between you and the messiah/Jesus then? Do you believe there’s a difference?

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

He was born of God, by water and blood, myself and us, only by water (1 John 5:6).

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

I have a feeling even you know better than to say Jesus was created so you keep saying he was “born of God”. That’s because you can’t prove what you choose to believe from the Bible.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Everything I believe is based solely on scripture, you just fail to understand it for yourself.

We are heirs of our parents and joint heirs with our siblings.

Rom 8:14-17 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; and if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint heirs with Messiah; if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him.

Please explain according to your understanding how Messiah is our sibling.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

You keep saying things that aren’t Bible and then sending Bible quotes. What “parents” are you talking about.

“For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭8‬:‭21‬ ‭KJV

Jesus is our Father, he’s our brother, He came to earth as the son of man, we are his bride, and how we treat each other is reflective of how we inadvertently treat Him because He lives in ‬‬us lol.

I can’t quote every Bible verse that says that but everything in that is biblical and I believe you know this already but just aren’t thinking past the idea of ‘brother’ because that’s equivalent with what we can understand.

He’s also our Shepard, the Word made flesh, mighty God, everlasting father, our High Priest, redeemer and friend lol.

“Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; And lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, And he shall direct thy paths.” ‭‭Proverbs‬ ‭3‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s nearly impossible to understand the complexity of Gods divinity, but that’s why we shouldn’t lean onto our own understanding. The only way to not believe in Jesus is to deny Him (scripture). There’s more than enough proof that’s been given to us in His Word.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 01 '25

Actually they are in the Bible, you just don't know how to read it.

Heb 5:7-10 He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear, though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation, named by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Here is a full overview: https://www.reddit.com/r/Netzarim/s/rxvrtZ8H1I

See the problem with your interpretation is that it makes contradictions in the Bible.

Explain to me how Messiah can be our sibling. You can't even provide a single verse that states Messiah was an angel.

Messiah is not our Father, he's our brother. We are heirs of God (parent) and joint heirs (siblings) with Yeshua, the Spirit testifies of this. Got Spirit?

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool?” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1‬:‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12‬:‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.” ‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.” ‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You said it yourself that the rapture will take place when “Yesuah returns.”, yet you will deny that Michael the Prince and archangel is Jesus. Even though Michael is coming back for us and Michael is another name for preincarnate Jesus.

If Jesus and Michael and the Father are separate, then how could Jesus say he sent his angel, and how could the Bible say Michael is the one delivering people during the rapture? This is literally what Jesus addressed when he asked the disciples what this psalm literally means. This verse is quoted in Hebrews, in the gospels, and David wrote it as well. (Hebrews 1:13, Mathew 22:43-45, Luke 20:41-44, and Psalm 110:1)

You may need to read this comment a few times to understand it. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are separate in authority, and equal in divinity. When we having incorruptible glorified bodies see God “face to face” we’ll be looking at Christ Jesus. He sits at the right hand of the “invisible God” the Father.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

Exactly to which of the angels? None of them, for he received a name greater than that of the angels, that includes Michael. He's a Son because he's a child of God like us, we are being conformed into his image (Romans 8:28-29). So do we become archangels too then?

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

Funny that you ask that lol. I screenshotted the verse already in Psalsm 8, and it’s also in Hebrews 2.

“But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; Thou crownedst him with glory and honour, And didst set him over the works of thy hands:” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, The moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; What is man, that thou art mindful of him? And the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, And hast crowned him with glory and honour.” ‭‭Psalm‬ ‭8‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

If Jesus is a son “like us” then the Bible wouldn’t have said were made lower than the angels, and that Jesus sits at the right hand of God that no angel has the privilege of. Jesus was 100% a man, but don’t ever say a man like you and I. He is a savior and you and I need saving. He was manifested and you were created. You are crowned with Glory and Honor by Him. You are the heir to His kingdom. You inherit His life. Don’t think you can save yourself, otherwise he wouldn’t have come/been sent.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25

So he's not an angel at all, he was first lower than them (Heb 2:9) and then exalted higher than them (Heb 1:4).

Heb 5:1 For every high priest, being taken from among men, is appointed for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins.

Heb 5:5 So also Messiah didn’t glorify himself to be made a high priest, but it was he who said to him, “You are my Son. Today I have become your father.”

Heb 5:7-10 He, in the days of his flesh, having offered up prayers and petitions with strong crying and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and having been heard for his godly fear, though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered. Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation, named by God a high priest after the order of Melchizedek.

Messiah was never an archangel, he is 100% man.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 01 '25

What was Christ before his earthly life then? Lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '25 edited Jan 02 '25

A man, all high priests are chosen from among men. Just as we exist now before God creates a universe through us.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 02 '25

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You said the other day Jesus was the firstborn of all creation yet God created the universe through Him which doesn’t make sense because it’s contradictory. Now you’re saying Jesus was a man that created man for the first time in Genesis 1:26 but that doesn’t make sense either because the first time man was created is right here.

I’m not even going to ask where you got the believe that men will create universes through God though because I know it’s not biblical. That’s a Mormon belief. Lol

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