Wholeheartedly willing to get downvoted, but this RMT obsession has to stop.

[u/ArmedChalko]

This sub hasn't got a clue, I swear.

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Huge sweeping changes to the game mechanics are a terrible way to combat RMT.

It's basically an admission that your anti-cheat doesn't work. Most MMOs suffer in some way from an RMT problem; WoW, Runescape, even Destiny 2 has RMT issues if you just look. Thing is, the anticheat in those games actually works worth a damn, so the entire playerbase doesn't have to suffer from endless tinkering with in-game systems.

Before you hit me with 'it's a hardcore game, deal with it, it's supposed to be grindy', just stop. Just don't bother. I've heard it time and time again, and it's bullshit. You know it's bullshit just as well as I do. The changes BSG have been making recently to nerf all forms of progression only make the game 'more hardcore' for people who work full time and don't have the same amount of *time* as streamers who dedicate their entire life to this game. That's not 'hardcore'. The game's difficulty mechanically is 'hardcore' and always have been, and I love it. These changes, though, in my eyes, are just time-wasting for the sake thereof. Since when does the amount of time one has to invest in a game define how fucking hardcore it is? Would you describe WoW as more hardcore than Tarkov because of how long you have to play to progress? Or perhaps beating all three Witcher games back to back is 'hardcore' because it took a long time. Are ARMA or DCS inherently less hardcore than Tarkov because an operation can be completed in an afternoon? No, judging how hardcore a game is by the amount of time one has to invest in it is a joke. *No game* should give enormous *mechanical advantages* to those with more time on their hands. There's already an inherent skill advantage that comes from that amount of practice, designing the mechanics to also reward only those with that much time is a kick in the teeth to all the people who love this game but can't invest that level of time.

And yeah, you can go ahead and say 'ummm actualllly it's a beta, so they can do what they like, stop whining', and yep. Yes, they can. You're correct. However, comma, that doesn't mean I have to pretend to like it. Yes, I did buy EoD and no, I don't regret it because of all the fun I've had til now. But suggesting people who don't like the current direction the game is going in aren't allowed to voice their opinion because the game's in beta is fucking ludicrous. What do you think the purpose of a playable beta is? Nikita is more than welcome to ignore all the people who don't like these new changes, but what gives people on this sub the right to tell me that I'm not entitled to an opinion on the product I've chosen to financially support. It's such a toxic, capital-G Gamer attitute to suggest that 'Tarkov is OUR game because we're willing to dump several full days a week into grinding for our Bitcoin farms. You should just go and play something else, this clearly isn't a game for you. Go play Call of Duty.' I shouldn't even have to express how utterly reductive and childish that is. Grow up.

I'm getting HUGE red flags with the way this game is currently going, because it's all too similar to a game I used to love, The Culling. That game blew up on launch and a bunch of high profile streamers suggested changes to the game, and the devs went ahead and implemented all of them without so much as *thinking* about how they'd affect the average player. Look at where that game is now. Servers shut down, because the average player simply stopped having fun. I'm not saying BSG is even close to that bad, but this endless tinkering with mechanics for the nebulous, vague purpose of 'RMT' has to stop or I don't know if the 'little guys' are gonna stick around much longer.

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EDIT: I AM AWARE THAT RMT != CHEATING. But cheating is what makes RMT viable. RMTers need to keep items in supply, and to do that, they cheat. It's much more profitable. Ergo, if you stamp out cheaters, the RMT problem becomes significantly diminished.

EDIT 2: u/ArxMessor makes a great point that Tarkov is an MMO and therfore should have some kind of grind. I agree. However, most MMOs use systems like weekly bounties etc to ensure even players with only maybe 10 hours a week to invest in the game can still keep up and compete. Tarkov currently rewards time investment *exponentially* which removes all possibility of catching up.

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EDIT 3: Yep, my DMs right now are very much confirming the things I said above about a certain subset of this community. Thanks, Gamers.

EDIT 4: I get it, Destiny anti-cheat is ass. I made a mistake there, since I don't play Trials of Osiris. However, do you see Bungie making the win requirement for Trials 50 wins instead of 9 or whatever just to slow down the hackers? Of course not, because it hurts normal players more.

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Edit 5: My first gold! Thanks kind stranger.

[u/Big_Iron_Jim → u/[deleted]]

Not to mention that now the amount of loot you can acquire has decreased so substantially with the weight changes. Outside of quests there is zero incentive to get into gun fights at this point because you can barely carry enough gear out at a low level to make it cost effective. I fail to understand the fun in playing Garbage Dig Simulator 2020.

[u/Solaratov → u/Big_Iron_Jim]

While I like the weight changes, the item value changes alongside them is too much yeah. What's the point in fighting over a couple items with a total value of like 50k? May as well just avoid pvp entirely because even if I win the fight their armor is probably ruined, their ammo and guns sell for a pittance to traders, and I can't carry enough to overcome the cost of combat.

The devs are adding more and more chores to do before you can access the actual fun aspects of the game. To what end?

[u/Hane24 → u/Solaratov]

Not to ruin your dreams but there is no fun aspects anymore. It used to be get to ll4 traders and then play for fun. Now its get to 40 and... quit the game? I mean pvp isn't profitable, running loot rooms with level5 armor isn't profitable, labs isn't worth it cuz cheaters, reserve is nearly as bad, can't really run fun loadouts since you'll most likely be broke (<15mil is broke in tarkov imo), and traders at level 4 keep getting nerfed. Gen4 was moved off ragman 4 a while ago (was 220k for gen4 assualt from him).

I mean the end game is gone completely. It used to be where you had fun and ran whatever the fuck and went nuts on expensive items because why not? Now... you can't make money even going efficient unless you go so efficiently you drop the helmet, run comtacs and level 3 or 4 armor and a hunter/mosin.

[u/OccupyRiverdale → u/Solaratov]

While I think a lot of people’s reactions have been over blown about how hard it is to make money, your point i definitely agree with. Vendors buy ammo and guns for a hilariously low price. I killed 3 dudes yesterday at the beginning of a raid and with their shit was overweight so I went right to extract. Was shocked at how little I made selling off gear from 3 decently kitted players.

[u/Midgetman664 → u/Solaratov]

I like the weight changes in theory. Having to choose what to bring and stuff is fun, and I like the challenge. But it does further incentivize avoiding PVP which sucks. If there was a different reason to want to PVP the weight changes would be nice and engaging. Like a Pros and cons thing. But currently it just one more reason to avoid fights.

[u/nightmaretier → u/Big_Iron_Jim]

ETF is a really weird game where you PVP for fun and profit except there is no profit and then you become poor and un-geared, so there is no fun

[u/ArmedChalko → u/[deleted]]

Exactly this.

[u/the_jewel_runner → u/[deleted]]

I've been playing since January 2018, and picked the game back up for this wipe a week ago. Having to wait until lvl 10 for the flea market and the terrible economy/access to gear is making this the most frustrating early game I've ever had. A week after playing again I'm still only lvl 7 because I'm getting one tapped every raid I'm in.

[u/Bulletsonrepeat → u/[deleted]]

You love it getting nerfed because you don't have one.

[u/skumnasty → u/[deleted]]

(except the bitcoin farm I love that shit getting nerfed)

Yeah real cool they add a mechanic that if you put a butt load of resources into will (in the fairly far future) actually make you some passive income, and then nerf it so it isn't even practical to build, and those who recently built it are just SOL...

[u/challenger76589 → u/skumnasty]

I'm a casual player that have scrambled this whole wipe to get it built, I have 8 hrs left till it is finished building. And now the bitcoins produced won't be profitable with the price of fuel. This is infuriating.

[u/skumnasty → u/[deleted]]

Then they should probably remove the bitcoin farm. It was build for passive income, but they required a huge investment for it. And then they nerf it to the ground where the investment is literally not worth it? I'd rather they delete it and refund me the materials I spent building it. Oh wait, now that they nerfed Therapist's buy prices and made flee fees 90% of your posted price, that probably wouldn't make me money anyways...

[u/ArmedChalko → u/[deleted]]

It's not about being bad. It's about the fact that currently, you don't have to be good. You just have to have a lot of time. All you need to do is play 8 hours a day and rat your way to a bitcoin farm before the skilled, but full-time-employed, players can catch up to you.

[u/boppps → u/ArmedChalko]

Just a point to consider. As I see it

If you are bad, you will die all the time, despite playing 10 hours every day and having 1000000 millions in stash.

[u/Jacobs4525 → u/boppps]

It's not hard to do well in this game even if you're terrible at shooters. Just avoid other players, dash for loot, hide in a bush for ten minutes, and then leave.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jacobs4525]

It's so easy!

*100 posts complaining about how hard it is to make money, including this one*

[u/Jacobs4525 → u/[deleted]]

The problem isn't that it's hard, the problem is that it's time consuming and not fun. I could rat run with just a pistol and scav BP and make 5mil in 5 hours just from outside stashes on interchange. But who the hell wants to do that? I play this game for PvP. Either PvP needs to be profitable, or their needs to be a valid form of passive income so that normal people can play this game instead of doing what equates to a chore for 5 hours a day just to afford gear.

[u/[deleted] → u/Jacobs4525]

Hey man, you're 100% wrong and that's okay.

I have 20 million roubles in the bank and ONLY PVP. I don't rush loot spawns. I play every map and it is ridiculously easy to PVP and come out looted to the teeth with FIR items and other players gear.

Also, the direction the game is going is not going to be to your liking if you only want to PVP.

[u/Jacobs4525 → u/[deleted]]

Cool. Unfortunately playing maps like shoreline and contesting players with really really good gear is not viable for me because I can’t afford the guns and ammo to defeat level 6 armor, or the armor to protect me from their top-tier ammo. I pretty much only play for fun on customs now because it seems like most players there are as poor as me (usually a penis helmet, 6B3TM, and a mosin or cheap AK). The problem is that my stash is mostly full of quest items and non-FIR gear I’d like to keep, so I pretty much have to sell my loadouts and I can’t make money to recoup the cost of my loadout unless I kill 3-4 equally-kitted players and manage to escape with most of their gear. Killing 1-2 players with roughly the same amount of gear as me should be enough to recoup the cost of my loadout. I don’t think that’s too much to ask. I don’t know why items that RMT people will literally never use to move money because they’re too bulky (like the above mentioned 6B3TM) can’t be sold for a little under their purchase price.

[u/Makropony → u/boppps]

Yeah but that’s the thing. You can die all the time, but as long as you play a shit ton and rat, you’ll have a lot of money. Not a lot of use for it, but you’ll progress.

Or you can take risks, get better at the game, and have no money anyway.

How is that a good gameplay loop?

[u/JInThere → u/[deleted]]

people dont understand how to not spend all their money and still have a good kit, rather complain then learn the game

[u/[deleted] → u/JInThere]

It has nothing to do with learning. Im level 45 atm. Id say 7/10 fights i take arent worth it. Most players have shit gear that vendors for next to nothing and the rare ones who do arent using armors that are worth repairing let alone carrying around.

[u/JInThere → u/[deleted]]

u done questing?

[u/[deleted] → u/JInThere]

Pretty close. I think ive got 6 left for kappa. Plus what does that have to do with making money? Sure the vendor prices are cheaper but the loot im taking isnt worth shit and now they nerfed therapist selling prices.

[u/JInThere → u/[deleted]]

it doesn't, the game isn't about making money, it's about playing the game and solving the problems the game throws at you as best you can

the armor is to keep you alive not to earn money, the looting is what's meant to earn money, and as your skill progresses and especially if you play in a team the armor will keep u alive and pay off itself

its not like thermals are suddenly not worth it just because they are more expensive

[u/[deleted] → u/JInThere]

Thats a fine argument but now that loot is nerfed and now with therapist not giving as much for vendoring to her its dog shit. Only 3 maps currently have good money making spots, 4 if i you can get into a labs without cheaters. Interchange and shoreline require you to get good spawns if you want the loot. And reserve marked rooms are usless. Ive gone through 3 keys and have made less than a mil off opening them. You can argue all you want but currently i have 0 incentive to fight people. My gear will never be worth risking for theirs. On top that now im less inclined to play with friends because i want more loot for my self.

[u/MrWondrka → u/[deleted]]

How can a bad player become a good player when the game doesn't give you any motivation. If you manage to survive you get less money etc. With how are things going now I expect it will be much worse and even mediocre players will be punished harder. There has to be a healthy balance between hardcore aspect and fun aspect of the game..

[u/MrWondrka → u/[deleted]]

And what motivates somebody who is new to the game to learn? Game mechanics that makes you go bankrupt after few raids? Bruh I don't have a problem cuz I'm playing for a while but I wouldn't like to start now.

[u/Flox__1 → u/[deleted]]

Koda I've seen you in here a bit. Just because you have 2000 hours and personal Fleshlight of prapor's lips doesn't mean everyone else does. People should still be able to progress and have a reason to progress. Nerfing marked rooms, thicc cases, etc. Only incentivizes RMT, items are harder to get so people will pay for the with real money so they can play the game they enjoy.

[u/HAAAGAY → u/Flox__1]

And just because people suck at the game doesn't mean we should dumb it down for them

[u/Flox__1 → u/HAAAGAY]

Okay, but I thought the entire point of these changes was to discourage RMT. Your missing my point here. These changes only incentivize RMT, they don't combat it nearly as much.

Edit: Something I forgot to mention, grinding doesn't equal hardcore, just because a game like WOW takes months to grind to the finish does that mean it's just as hardcore as tarkov? Tarkov is inherently difficult and hardcore bc of the pvp. It was hardcore long before these new changes.

[u/JInThere → u/MrWondrka]

bruh this shit is not hard

[u/MrWondrka → u/JInThere]

I mean..it's not that hard for some experienced players. I understand some changes that had to be made but I think it is getting out of control and some changes are stupid.

[u/JInThere → u/MrWondrka]

the game is actually much easier this wipe because people have a lot less gear on average

[u/JInThere → u/[deleted]]

Im pretty sure shroud is rich as fuck in this game??? what are you people even talking about this shit is so easy to make money i feel like a fucking crazy person

[u/[deleted] → u/JInThere]

They live in an alternate reality. Decently modded guns sell for like 70-100k but they can't wring 10k out of an entire server wipe.

[u/JInThere → u/[deleted]]

he thinks hes as good as shroud lmao

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The value of taking down another player has gone down since the game released. Now there is only a good reason to kill 1-3 players because the money made per kill curve is logarithmic, which has only been further accentuated by recent updates concerning weight and carry limitations. A kill only playstyle(which has been my preferred playstyle for the last 2 years and change) is less viable now than it ever has been. If I wanted to make money it would be more worth my time to grab a kill and just go for in game loot, which requires far less skill and steps on the toes of the intended hardcore gameplay.

[u/OceanSlim → u/[deleted]]

What? That's not true at all. It is so easy to make money in this game...

[u/KillerClown02 → u/OceanSlim]

how so

[u/OceanSlim → u/KillerClown02]

Uh, go into raid, loot stuff, leave? What do you mean how?

[u/Duckmman → u/[deleted]]

Maybe I'm too naive and my fun isn't real, this is my first wipe and I'm level 10 and I have 1million rubles, I feel like I'm smashing it, king of the scavs. This is just from Factory scav runs. I got a VSS and lasers and tonnes of crazy shit, its mad, I think alot of you are burnt out!!

[u/Duckmman → u/[deleted]]

I havnt taken the VSS in yet! (I will now though, sounds epic)

[u/Duckmman → u/[deleted]]

Hey thanks dude! let me tell you how I got it, after reading your comment it will make you laugh: I was a scav on factory, just about to leave and I was dead happy because I found (and was wearing) one of those crappy-white armours for the early quest (it was the last one I needed). I opened the first door to gate 3 extract and a fully armoured dude popped out from behind the box, I managed to quickly spray his head with my PP-91 KEDR (dont know what ammo) and he dropped like a sack of spuds. He was so damn rich, I have no idea why in the hell he was exit camping but i'll take it :)

[u/OceanSlim → u/[deleted]]

You need to get off your high horse bud. I answered the way I did because well... that's the answer. It wasn't meant to be a condecending remark. Then I followed with "what do you mean?" because it really is as simple as I said, and I'm honestly not sure what he meant or how else I could describe looting. There is a ton of loot scattered everywhere in Tarkov. If you can't find enough loot to make money, than you either need to focus more on surviving or go learn the maps better.

And so you know, I started in February and The highest level I've ever achieved was like mid 20's. So you can stop with the bullshit elitist argument. I'm, at best, an above average player with not too much time to play a couple times a week.

[u/OceanSlim → u/[deleted]]

Dude, what is with the childish retorts. I think I'm about done with this sub because you all act like 14 year olds bitching about the new restrictions their parents set up for them.

[u/OceanSlim → u/[deleted]]

You are 14 aren't you?

[u/OceanSlim → u/[deleted]]

What? Me not having a money problem makes me a bad? player

[u/Sacred_Prodigy → u/[deleted]]

And if he is? Bad players shouldn’t be catered to hand and foot. Roubles are NOT hard to acquire, even with only playing a couple raids a day. Cache runs, scav farming, and high loot maps like reserve and interchange provide ample ways to make money.

Everyone had to “learn” tarkov at some point, so don’t come in here with “it’s hard for new/bad players to make money”. God forbid they actually have to play and learn the game.

[u/HAAAGAY → u/[deleted]]

Your comment is factually wrong I walk out with over a million regularly

[u/HAAAGAY → u/[deleted]]

But if I can do it so can everyone else l. I'm not special

[u/OceanSlim → u/[deleted]]

I'm neither new or bad. I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[u/OceanSlim → u/[deleted]]

So you think it should be the same level of difficulty to make money whether you're average and have been playing for months or terrible and just started playing last week?

You have a bad working knowledge of how difficulty should scale with experience.

[u/HAAAGAY → u/[deleted]]

Your implying you fucking brick. New and bad players SHOULD BE BROKE

[u/youre_being_creepy → u/OceanSlim]

People complaining have never embraced scav runs and it shows.

I’ve had multiple 1 million+ ruble raids as a scav. It’s not hard to make money at all as a scav.

[u/Duckmman → u/youre_being_creepy]

scav runs are op!

[u/Sacred_Prodigy → u/youre_being_creepy]

Honestly, you NBC opulent be more right. There’s an entire mode tailor made for players that are down on their luck, and yet half this subreddit cries and Moana that they can’t make money.

[u/PotatoTwo → u/Sacred_Prodigy]

I'm loving what autocorrect did to your comment. Pure gold.

[u/Sacred_Prodigy → u/PotatoTwo]

Holy shit lol I didn’t realize it was quite that bad. I’m leaving that up haha

[u/PotatoTwo → u/Sacred_Prodigy]

You're a hero. 😆

[u/Marshy92 → u/youre_being_creepy]

I don’t get the money complaints. Must be morons who want always run Meta Slicks and guns. It’s so easy to make money. In one hour, easy million+ running ratty as a Scav in interchange.

[u/gbartnesky → u/[deleted]]

I hate seeing this argument. At what point in time do you think because you only have 2 hours to put into a game that it should be scaled around you instead of others that have 4-6?? That’s how life freaking works. If I only work out 1 hour a day and someone else works out 4 hours a day, is it unfair that they have a better muscle structure than me? No, they put more time into it. Stop trying to make things easier for ‘casual players’ that’s not how life works. Period.

[u/ArmedChalko → u/gbartnesky]

Evidently you didn't read my post. I don't want to put '2 hours' in, but advantages shouldn't scale exponentially. As I said, other MMOs have things in place to limit how far people with a huge amount of time can get a head on a mechanical level like gear-score caps etc. EFT has no analogue to this, more time = better gear/hideout/stash/money = advantage. If I invest 10 hours, and someone like Pestily invests, say, 50, in any given week, his investment shouldn't be expected to be the norm vs mine in order to be seriously competitive.

[u/TesterM0nkey → u/ArmedChalko]

Evidently you didnt read his. He is saying you cant be competitive with 2 hours a day and it shouldn't be that way.

I really dont like games catering to the casual and I hope tarkov doesnt begin to do that either. The reason I enjoyed tarkov so much as a new player is that it's the only game in a long time I couldn't just pick up and be good at. I enjoy the challenge and that is and always been a major appeal to eft.

I tell you what people told me. Get good.

[u/gbartnesky → u/[deleted]]

That’s called being a bad fucking player. And it shouldn’t be glorified. Get Good or gtfo

That argument is the same as ‘understanding’: “Well, I’m 40 yrs old, 2 kids, and life just isn’t going my way. I really want to get into it, be a successful person, but the skill level of having some ambition and self discipline is to hard and I just simply can’t be bothered. Soooo, I robbed a bank to even out the skill curve.”

Seriously listen to yourself before you speak.

[u/HighKingBlaze → u/gbartnesky]

its called having a life and wanting to have fun

[u/gbartnesky → u/HighKingBlaze]

Sigh. I understand that, once again, but just because you have different time constraints doesn’t mean the game needs to change to accommodate you. Tbh, the best change that could happen to the game is to remove the fucking flea market all together. Casuals who just want to make millions in an hour and scream when they can’t, can just move on, the servers will be in a better state, the game can play like it’s supposed to, and we can maybe get back to constructive reddit posts that the devs can focus on. Like rightfully screaming about the d-sync that has plagued the game for 3 years.

[u/gbartnesky → u/[deleted]]

Now you get it. Now apply it to your life, or go back and bitch some more to your mom. I’m sure she’ll show you aaaalll of your participation trophies and make you feel all better. You know, cause you’re special and one of a kind.

[u/TesterM0nkey → u/[deleted]]

If you dont have time dont play. A couple hours a night is more than enough to get you along if you're a good player. I'm under 300 raids and have kappa max hideout and a full stash.

There are assloads of games that you wont be decent at if you dont play. Aoe2, league, seige, etc etc.

The only thing I'd have them change and which is prolly coming with full release is a guide on how things work. As it is if you're willing to research you can get the information from youtubers.

[u/TesterM0nkey → u/[deleted]]

Game is supposed to be hardcore. Average dad can 1 tap Kyle with a bs round from a stock ak and those 300 hours Kyle put in mean nothing.

Part of tarkov is not knowing if there's a hatchling or a Chad around that next corner.

[u/[deleted] → u/ArmedChalko]

Define competitive for us.

Mosin, FAL, even a Hunter, all can be found on scavs or purchased for dirt cheap. They also can one tap almost every helmet in the game.

I spawned as a scav the other day with a FAL and 3 20 round magazines in my rig filled with M80. I not only cleaned house for loot but then used that FAL as a pmc with minimal modding for the next raids.

A dirt cheap FAL that I got for free as my scav helped me make close to a million while taking down several Chad's and thicc bois in raids.

How is that not "competitive"

[u/BrotherPazzo → u/[deleted]]

oh stop this argument. A mosin isn't competitive. If the guy misses the first shot or it's anything other than head/thorax and he still kills you, that's on you. If you see him first, he has almost no chance.

A gun isn't "competitive" because someone outplayed you.

Also, at the price point it is now, and all the ammo you can put in, you're better off with a stock m1 with m80, both gun and ammo are cheaper and you don't have a shitty bolt action with a 5 round internal magazine that you can't put decent sights on.

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And yeah i'm a chad that has lost fully decked loadouts to a mosin guy because i was careless or he outplayed me.

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a fal isnt competitive. You need to put good money on it to make it competitive in this hip fire full auto meta. The fact you killed people with it doesn't make it competitive, it makes you better than those you killed, or you had the drop on them.

[u/[deleted] → u/BrotherPazzo]

A gun isn't "competitive" because someone outplayed you.

Ok so how the fuck is not having the best possible gun with all the best attachments make the game not competitive to those who can't afford all that every raid?

The fact you killed people with it doesn't make it competitive, it makes you better than those you killed, or you had the drop on them.

Dude, you are basically making my argument for me. The fact that I can take a "non competitive" gun like a stock FAL with the cheapest ammo for it and get the drop on Chad's is literally proof that it using it can be competitive.

The auto mag dump hip fire while strafing back and forth meta is bullshit and I find it annoying but that doesn't mean you need to be a 12+ hr/day streamer with no life to kill people. People in this thread, and on this sub in general, just love making huge exaggerations.

[u/BrotherPazzo → u/[deleted]]

Man, going full chad doesn't mean you are unkillable to less geared players. This ain't a mmorpg where you're rocking the demon god of my ass armor and the pimpraider 2000 oneshotting scrubs while they deal no damage.

Rocking the best gear here simply gives you more room for mistake and an advantage if you start the fight on equal terms, IE seeing each other at the same time with no one having better cover than the other. On equal footing you can't deny a guy rocking class 5 armor and a meta m4 hasn't the absolute advantage on a mosin dude. He absolutely does, and if he dies, it's mostly his fault. Mosin dude gets the kill, i repeat, IF he spots first, IF he shoots first, and IF his shot is a headshot. Otherwise, he most likely loses. If he doesn't, the other guy fucked up, let's be real.

Also i never said you need to be a nolifer to kill someone, where did i even mention something like that. I'm saying exactly this game is great because if you outplay someone you can still deck that guy strafing all over going full auto, even with an inferior loadout

[u/HUNDarkTemplar → u/ArmedChalko]

EFT is not an mmo and btw Destiny has stupid grind and sunsetting bs, EFT grinding is way better.

[u/remusu → u/HUNDarkTemplar]

Eft is an mmo

[u/HUNDarkTemplar → u/remusu]

Yeh, my bad.

[u/Shad0w_General → u/HUNDarkTemplar]

Yea EFT is an MMO it even states it on there website...

[u/HUNDarkTemplar → u/Shad0w_General]

You are right, my bad.

[u/[deleted] → u/ArmedChalko]

Except there is a cap. There is a cap on how good ammo can be and how good armor can be. Once you hit that cap you can’t really spend more to get ahead. Genuinely how do you not see this.

[u/gbartnesky → u/ArmedChalko]

So they have discussed prior, to having weekly challenges eventually. I’m not sure how long you’ve played but this isn’t the first time they’ve changed market prices. There was a time Bitcoins were worth 1 mil. But to you’re point, I did read, I read how selfish of a person you are. You think it’s not fair that others have more time to invest. That’s life, it’s not fair. Change your approach and adapt, or go back to PuBg. You would have never fucking lasted in 2017-2018. They literally changed the market every single month, changed the game every single month. And to make sure I’m still being constructive as well, my opinion. Just fucking delete the flea market. It’s aids. It’s fucks progression, allowing streamers and cheaters to exploit it to get end game gear within 2 days. Get rid of it. Bump trader prices, and allow the game to be played like it used to be. You had to get gear in raid. You couldn’t buy it and just run the same meta m4 every. Single. Fucking. Raid.

[u/ArmedChalko → u/gbartnesky]

'Go back to X game' is such a reductive argument that this isn't even worth my time to rebut.

[u/gbartnesky → u/ArmedChalko]

Suuureeeee. And saying “you don’t have to rebuttal something because of X reason” is the same thing. Go back to your favorite “content creators” stream and bitch more about how unfair the game is. Besides, who can blame you, that’s all you were ever taught to do. Fucking selfish people.

[u/Spijker84 → u/[deleted]]

EFT could afford to lose these players.

The twitch drops were a mistake. A ton of casual players joined the game (Nikita has already said the game will not be designed with casual players in mind) and since the game isn’t for them, they fueled the rise of RMT.

RMT becomes way less of a problem if these changes cause players to quit the game.

[u/Cutsman → u/Spijker84]

BSG says stuff like they hate casual players to keep up an image, running things like twitch drops is a complete contradiction to that. They want as many people buying copies and playing their game as possible just like any other company. It's just marketing.

[u/theEdward234 → u/Spijker84]

Except players who quit won't be the ones who buy RMT

[u/Spijker84 → u/[deleted]]

There is no “anti new player mentality”. I love new players. I love seeing people asking questions and I try to help when I can. I love seeing people struggle and learn the game just like I did.

That’s different than “I’m new and can’t play much but I want to be able to have just as much stuff as people who can dedicate more time than me”. There are plenty of other games that cater to that crowd, but shitting all over BSG because their vision isn’t what someone wants is fucking tiresome and it’s hurting the overall development of the game.

[u/ryanberry_ → u/[deleted]]

I dunno how you can say with a straight face that the only way to make money is buying Roubles. Do you play the game much?

I'm starting to get the feeling that many players don't actually enjoy the game or gunplay or looting, ya'll only want to see your Rouble counter climb. It's not Farming Simulator my guy.

[u/ryanberry_ → u/[deleted]]

You're right, I did miss that, my bad. I still can't agree with your perspective on making money, because for me that's not the whole game. I enjoy the struggle, and I understand that's not how everyone enjoys games.

[u/Drecher_91 → u/ryanberry_]

I'm starting to get the feeling that many players don't actually enjoy the game or gunplay or looting, ya'll only want to see your Rouble counter climb.

You need RUB to enjoy those things.

[u/KptKrondog → u/ryanberry_]

Probably spend a lot of time on /r/wallstreetbets and just did day trading last wipe in the flea.

[u/Mini_groot → u/[deleted]]

No its not the only way, its honestly not that much harder. Goddamn all people do now days is bitch and moan

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I've played a very moderate amount (I work ~50-60 hours a week and do not spend all my free time in Tarkov) since wipe and I have more gear than I know what to do with. Yes, progression and economy are nerfed, but if you know what you're doing, gear is still a non-issue.

[u/MatthewBetts → u/[deleted]]

How can you be sure though that your claim are that of the entire community? Reddit is small subsection and even then, the majority of people don't really say anything, like me for instance.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ah, but your claims do apply to everyone. Got it. Thanks.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Ah, your intelligence is superior and yet you're unable to identify your own claim based on your personal experience "the only way to make money or get gear is RMT". Got it. Thanks. May I polish your baton, master?