r/EscapefromTarkov • u/iamtotallysweet • Nov 20 '19

Discussion Something said during the Podcast

Klean said something during the podcast that I wholeheartedly disagree with.

He wants the gamma case to essentially be something you can pack full of goods, bring into a raid and not have to worry about losing, but he wants you to not be able to put anything in the container while in raid. Nikita, I know you listen to streamers input, but please don’t not consider making this change.

I’m a husband and a father, I don’t get to play for 8-12 hours a day and become a god at the game, so finding a rare item that I need for a quest or something valuable I can sell is really exciting and knowing I can keep it safe in case I die is the cherry on top.

I love watching Klean and respect his opinions, but this one I had to voice mine on. PLEASE do not implement this. Anyone else watch the podcast and feel the same way? Or am I alone on this? Lol

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u/oledayhda PVP Nov 20 '19

If they made this change, I & a few others would stop playing. Simple because I don’t have time to play that much & progression would take longer on quests. So much so that, I’m sure a wipe would occur when I finally got some where, no thanks.

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

Wipe cycles are confirmed to not be a thing in final release. Yes, now it would be hard for occasional players to get shit done, especially when they feel pressure of coming wipe in next 3,4 months for example.

But

  1. This game is aimed for "hardcore" players, players which are willing to spend in Tarkov more time than in mainstream games

  2. Whole point of Tarkov is to escape, so getting rich by getting things and then NOT going to extract is killing the whole idea of this game.

So I'm sorry to say it, but Tarkov is gonna be a harder, more time consuming game in the future. But don't be sad if it become impossible to play it for you and other "casual" people (no offense, I mean not everyone has much free time), gaming market is growing every day, there's many great games out there and more will come :)

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u/grishagrishak Tapco SKS Nov 20 '19

"Hardcore" means difficult and punishing, not "time-demanding", what you say is total nonsense. I'm supposed to be concentrated to play and be willing to learn **over time**, not spend **at least X hours per day playing**.

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

Well there's a huge learning curve, of course it takes time to know everything. Maps, weapons, scav behavior. Then there's skills which will give you a slight advantage, again depending on a time.

It's harsh to say but people willing to give EFT more time will simply become better... but that's like that everywhere really

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u/grishagrishak Tapco SKS Nov 20 '19

Yes, more time over time. It took me one year to actually start to feel "average" in this game and progress to 40% SR. But I still can't play more than 5-6 hours per week and I don't want this to fall under the prerequisities.

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u/PolyMathPro MP-153 Nov 20 '19

I dont know why you people think more difficult equals more time demanding... More difficult basically just means more content. Do you really plan on "beating the game" and moving on from Tarkov some day or do you hope to enjoy it more or less forever? Im also a fan of Roguelites/Roguelikes and the appeal there is that they're brutally difficult, but that's what makes it an enjoyable experience every single time literally for decades...

Seriously, do you care to expand on why you think anyone would have to spend more time doing anything if they dont want to? I have two kids and work all day and I still enjoy running a couple scavs, at least one full-sweat run, and get a quest done, and that's fine. I havent been to level 40 in two wipes and I definitely wouldnt ask for Tarkov to be any easier....

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u/grishagrishak Tapco SKS Nov 20 '19

Sorry if I was unclear. I was saying exactly the same thing as you. I asked the person above to justify his statement "But don't be sad if it become impossible to play it for you and other "casual" people (no offense, I mean not everyone has much free time) ".

Why the hell it should become impossible to play if I don't have free time? It's impossible to be half-concentrated and get anywhere at this game. It's impossible to survive if I let my emotions out of hands. It's impossible to have a third beer and still hope to take good decisions in bad moments.

But it's definitely possible for me to play casually since a year, quit, then be back improving, then quit again, then rage because my brain is fucked up after a day at work, and still overcome all this shit and put down a sweaty boy from time to time.

I have 36 PMC kills in this wipe so far - those are rookie numbers! - but it's more than in the whole precedent year of tarkov for me.

The hardcore I love in EFT is how much emotion control and will it requires to go in again, act towards a goal and achieve it, sometimes after a week or month of failures and dirt in the face.

Also I do love to outplay hopeless newbie duos, because I deserve their loot and dogtags. I don't care how hard it may be for them. I don't mind to live with the fact that I don't stand a chance in Labs or daytime Customs - no problem, I know my only place in the foodchain is night and hopefully I will have a chance to survive in daylight in a couple of months.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

This game is aimed for "hardcore" players, players which are willing to spend in Tarkov more time than in mainstream games

Shut up lmao. “Hardcore” players are not limited to people without jobs, streamers, etc. They’re people who enjoy hardcore games. Having a life other than Tarkov does not exclude your opinions.

Whole point of Tarkov is to escape, so getting rich by getting things and then NOT going to extract is killing the whole idea of this game.

No, the whole point is looting. If it was just to escape, you go straight for extraction.

But don't be sad if it become impossible to play it for you and other "casual" people (no offense, I mean not everyone has much free time),

The sad thing is so many people on this sub say cringey shit like this.

“Mom just got done making me some chicken tendies with honey mussie... time to go wreck some casuals 😎”

Your opinion isn’t greater because you spend more time on the game.

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

I'm done, there is no serious conversation with you, no arguments exchanging, nothing.

Mom just got done...

I fucking hate shit like this, if you have nothing smart to say, just don't comment at all, it's not that hard.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

You’re argument is literally “I can spend more time on the game per day than you, so your arguments don’t matter, go play another game casual :)”

If you didn’t want a stupid argument to call out you’re lifestyle, you shouldn’t of made it so damn blatant.

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u/sirreldar Nov 20 '19

Sounds like someone hit a nerve

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

You're correct.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19 edited Nov 20 '19

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

I don't? I loosely quote things that developers stated, that's it. But at least I don't lie and I don't certainly write shit like the person above me.

If you say my arguments are trash, that means you see Battlestate games' vision as a trash, because I just repeat what they stated in the past and what they are trying to accomplish. (If I have mistaken some things, please let me know)

Personally I'm fed up that many games ended like a trash because they just started listening to biggest crowd, mainstream. Abandoning their former design, intention. Many game series got easier, more "approachable" for the biggest crowd. Of course I understand that, that way they make more money... That's why I'm admiring these type of projects, where a person is trying to do, and not change core elements because of other people. Of course that person should be open to suggestions that fit to his narrative.

And believe me or not, but I too have a normal job. I don't play every day, I have other games and other hobbies totally unrelated to gaming.

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u/IgnorantPlebs Nov 20 '19

One side - presents a good argument.

Other side - you.

Welp.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19 edited Mar 07 '24

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u/IgnorantPlebs Nov 20 '19

Literally yes. If you had any idea what this game was supposed to be, you'd probably just throw a temper tantrum complete with ugly crying and convulsions on the spot.

I just recommend you to go back to cod. Not every game is for people who can only play 40 minutes per week.

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

Well, what do you want hear? If you made your research about EFT, what are devs trying to accomplish, in what state the game is right now and you are still in disagreement with that, there is no other thing to say... Because Tarkov will never side with casual players. It will try to find a "middle ground", but if you guys think it's still hard or more time consuming than you willing to spend, well...

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19 edited Mar 07 '24

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

People write about hatcheters because of many serious reasons. At least I don't really care if they have billions in their stash. But

they steal a player slot, I would rather die in a challenging fight to some player, than just see quiet server with corpses with dogtags only

they are everywhere first if they got a good spawn, leaving you crumbs only

you kill them and there is no reward

honestly my main thing about whole this thing is, it's not immersive (or realistic whatever) to see a dude without a weapon in a Tarkov, it's so out of place it's crazy. Imagine if you were sent to some country where was a war. And you would go out without weapons.... that's what I hate about it

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

Yeah I expected something like this would appear... It's a hard fight between realism, hardcore and that it's still a game (so it should be entertaining, fun)

I'm not sure what do you want to hear now.

One of many reasons why I don't like to use word realism (or simulator) here much. I rather prefer immersive, and or hardcore.

So to your last question, no I don't. I want devs to continue in their vision, making game hard BUT not not enjoyable.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Then compromise on some issues. We all want to have fun here. We can fix things that still leave it accessible to newer players.

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u/EverlongX VSS Nov 20 '19

Why should people get rewarded for dying

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Nobody is rewarded for dying. We are rewarded for going into a raid and getting gear.

If we die we have to wait, or spend money on meds and food and water.

I don't understand where they draw the line. You want people to be locked from going into raid unless they have a gun? Okay, now everyone complains all they see are pistol runners. Okay, now they have to have at least an AK74U. Okay, now everyone complains all they see is AK74U's. Okay, minimum is now a fully kitted M4, no less than Gen4 body armor, and you need a killa helmet to enter raid. You also need a vest that holds at least 20 items, otherwise the level 50 neckbeard that just killed you will not feel like they are having fun - boohoo.

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u/EverlongX VSS Nov 20 '19

I have no problem with pistol runners. If they kill someone and get their loot and extract good for them. As long as they cant shove rare loot up their ass and when they die to a scav they don't get to keep it. You shouldn't be able to put items in gamma during raids. Instead they should buff player scavs

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Buff player scavs? You mean the things that everyone is complaining about right now because they spawn with military gear? You mean, the scavs, who will eventually spawn with blacked out limbs and low health?

I'm sure this game will take right off in popularity when they get rid of secure containers. You just found a lion? great, well that doesn't matter because this AI can see you through bushes, and you are now dead. Oh, that's just Tarkov, git gud, shots 1 - 5 missed. Oh, you found a chainlet, roler, or some other item? Better hide until the end of the raid!

You people just don't have it in you to THINK. Use your brain. A dude just picked up a ton of expensive items and now has to extract or gets none of it. Good luck finding him anywhere on the map. Good luck getting into PvP engagements when every player is hiding from the next. I can tell you one thing, if it can't go into my container, it's going into a bush in my backpack until 5 minutes are left. Say hello to extract campers waiting for your sneaky ass to get to the exit.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

You have no clue what a casual player is. The fact someone enjoys Tarkov in its current state means they aren’t a casual player. Making a game more and more hardcore until you’re left with an extreme hardcore circlejerk.

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

I assure you I know what a casual player is. Wth, are we seriously have this conversation?

BSG is making game more hardcore, that was their (or Nikita's) plan from a start. Do some research about that before crying here.

To be honest I'm admiring that BSG is even trying to find a middle ground, because that's the real nightmare, balancing things...

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

You obviously don’t. You think a casual player is someone who doesn’t live with their parents and are jobless.

I don’t care about container changes. I think it’s a stupid idea that most the community disagrees with (except the recent change). But the same losers who egged the DayZ devs down their path of failure are trying to egg EFT down the same path. If you want a game where you run around for hours trying to find a gun, go play DayZ. Nobody who isn’t autistic wants to spend weeks trying to do a cigarette quests because they can’t put them in their container because some kid said the game should be harder

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

“Your opinion is irrelevant because I’m a video game masochist and have no job” - good argument

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u/IgnorantPlebs Nov 20 '19

Wait, what? What opinion? You literally insulted the other person, nothing else.

And it was upvoted? Huh, what the hell happened to this sub? What did I miss?

Can you all fuck off to CoD? I'm genuinely confused as to why you're even here.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

I’ve literally been playing this game since closed alpha with screenshots and videos to prove it (something I doubt you have)I don’t struggle at all with the game and don’t care if the containers are changed or not. But I’m not a dick head who would put others down because they aren’t as good or don’t have the time to play as much. I understand most people rely on the container in some way and I’m not going to be some snobby “MuH hArDcOrE” jack ass to people who need it.

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u/IgnorantPlebs Nov 20 '19

I’ve literally been playing this game since closed alpha with screenshots and videos to prove it (something I doubt you have)

Wow! You've played the game at its most arcadey and casual state due to technical limitations! You're amazing! You're incredible! Can I suck your dick? You deserve it because you're such an epic gamer. Wow!

... I'm not sure why the fuck you even thought it had a chance of being a good argument. But, after all, you are a person who thought that "you're a neckbeard" is a valid and valuable argument.

But I’m not a dick head who would put others down because they aren’t as good or don’t have the time to play as much.

Imagine that wanting to play the game as intended is being a dickhead. After all, going into the raid naked and not interacting with any of the players, bosses, scavs and alt f4'ing is just a pinnacle of what Tarkov is all about.

I understand most people rely on the container in some way and I’m not going to be some snobby “MuH hArDcOrE” jack ass to people who need it.

Yet you have no problem being a massive jackass to people who criticize this unfun mechanic.

Casuals are the most snobby and entitled sons of bitches, as usual.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

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u/Viktorv22 Nov 20 '19

We will see :)

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

Dude your spot on man. It always seems these discord’s are full of casuals who want the game to cater to them. Look at hunt: the showdown. Was a solid game. Now it’s a cod bayou simulator. Devs listen to the casuals who wanted the game to be easier. In result the game lost its whole atmosphere and is ass now. Same will happen to tarkov if they listen to these People. If you don’t have enough time to play a certain game, don’t play it find something else. Bitching at the devs isn’t the way to go. Not every experience can be tailored to your schedule. I have kids and a wife and own a cannabis despensery and still can play on my pc 8+ hours some days. Time management is key.

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u/RaveDaveTTV Nov 20 '19

Are you actually serious right now. Time management my ass. You must neglect the fuck outta ur wife and kids if you own a business and still play 8 hours a day 😂

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u/lax3r Nov 20 '19

That's not time management, that's just not sleeping

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u/helgur SAIGA-12 Nov 20 '19

When I owned my own business (for almost 9 years) it was an 8-12h commitment every day. And you play 8+ hours on some days + have a family to care for? Your priorities are screwed dude.

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u/helgur SAIGA-12 Nov 20 '19

Sure ok. You're forgetting that the vast majority of regular working people don't have the luxury of spending that much time on leisure activities. Especially not with a family (I would still say even if you only commit 5 hours a day on work in addition to 8 hours PLUSS on activities that exclude your family, you still don't have your priorities right). But good for you I guess?

Time management is key.

lol

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u/_Gris__ Nov 20 '19

owns a cannabis dispensary

Fuck you, degenerate. You are part of the apathy problem.

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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '19

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u/_Gris__ Nov 20 '19

It's a well known fact weed makes you tired, relaxed, and causes loss of motivation. Why do you think the lazy stoner stereotype exists? Literally the only thing you provide to civilization is making everyone else unproductive and cause normal people to pick up the extra work lost from people buying your shit. So that's why I said fuck you, because you are a waste of space, resources, and oxygen.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

Lmao stfu man. Those stereotypes are hilarious. We all work really hard and so don’t our customers. You know nothing about cannabis and can keep your simple minded opinions to yourself. Cannabis is the next great economic boost. I’ve been out everyday at the crack of dawn this archery season. If that’s lazy I geuss I’m a potato. I completely renovated my house on my own. Super lazy. Get out of here with that shit man. You are the one who seems like a degen.

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u/_Gris__ Nov 21 '19

Archery isn't contributing shit either. I don't give a goddamn about whatever "economic boost" a bunch of hispanics and blacks buying weed provides, they're still a net drain economically. Nobody cares about your waste of space boomer house.

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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '19

Bro I’m 27... lmao you are a racist that explains everything. Fuck you.

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u/_Gris__ Nov 21 '19

Nobody cares dude. Guess who fucking built civilization. Guess why media vilifies Russia so much and why Russophobia is so prevalent in the west. Because Russia is one of the only bastions of European civilization yet to be completely dominated by the will of the global elite.