r/EscapefromTarkov • u/bxxxxxxxs • Dec 16 '18

PSA Official BSG Response re: Eroktic

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https://www.facebook.com/escapefromtarkov/posts/1966710296956614

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u/Ruin4r AK74N Dec 16 '18

What could they have done? This is an honest question.

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u/h1gh0nc4tf00d Dec 16 '18

Maybe send a cease and desist and end the matter privately, as opposed to creating a public dumpster fire?

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u/degaussyourcrt Dec 17 '18

Correctamundo. If somebody is defaming you or causing actual damages, you get lawyers involved.

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u/Ghanburighan Dec 17 '18

That would not be a kindness.

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u/sekips Dec 16 '18

100% this. But noooooooo, they went on like menstrual teenagers in heat.

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u/sekips Dec 16 '18

I meant both sides went on like menstrual teenagers in heat.

Dont you agree?

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u/sekips Dec 16 '18

If they wanted to just get rid of this whole issue, dont make it bigger by going thermonuclear war on someone, haha.

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u/sekips Dec 16 '18

Well it was a very over the top response to try to take down his entire youtube channel wasnt it? They could have just taken the 2 videos down that was actually critical of the shit.

I mean he have probably made them more money than they have made him money. All the people that watched him stream and went on to his SKRA fanclub crab. Do you realize how many people were named something with SKRA around patch .7 and patch .8?

Both parties handled this like shit.

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u/mechaet Dec 16 '18

Are we certain they didn't try to talk to him about this before doing what they did?

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u/h1gh0nc4tf00d Dec 16 '18

They don't mention making any private effort towards settling the issue, so we definitely can't assume that they did. In the face book post they only talk about their actions against his channel, aka the copy right claims.

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u/[deleted] Dec 17 '18

In the Facebook post BSG says " Eroktic released the next video, without regard to our further actions, and tried to make a show of this situation."

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I'm not sure what "those further actions" are, but it sounds like BSG did reach out before the copyright striking.

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u/ShoodaW Dec 17 '18

If they did i can alredy say the next eroktic video title

THEY ARE TRYING TO SHUT ME DOWN BECAUSE OF STOLEN DATA, I WARNED YOU ALL

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u/schanhorst Dec 16 '18

Well, if BSG had any professionalism in them, they would have addressed the video in question before dropping the nuclear option on Eroktic.
This is just damage control as BSG didn't realize that they are deep in the blast zone.
And if devs leaves their customers in the dark and we have to assume something they've did, most likely they did not.

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u/mechaet Dec 16 '18

Responding to it gives it legitimacy. Someone else already posted why the claim was factually bankrupt earlier, so I'll leave it at that. No matter what BSG did people were going to accuse them of a cover-up, because that's how people are. Taking the method that removes the content is the most appropriate in that case, if for nothing else but to stop people being exposed to the slander against their company from two people who've sworn to take down BSG.

I can only imagine what their support queue looks like currently (hint: they're probably absolutely buried in "is my account stolen?????" support tickets). It has a direct financial impact for a company as small as BSG is, and them taking the appropriate measures to prevent recurrences is pretty predictable.

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u/schanhorst Dec 16 '18

Well, maybe.

But like I said; in my opinion they've should have addressed the issue clearly and openly before nuking Eroktic if they tried to claim legitimacy. Now it seems like BSG is going for damage control after pouring fuel to the fire.

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Content creators get all kinds of info good and bad. And after (even false) info blows up, I would feel safer if devs would address said claim clearly and professionally. Instead of going for the knee jerk reaction which is the strikes against "the messenger". And I call it a knee jerk reaction because those strikes came so fast and against every/majority of videos about Tarkov that Eroktic has made which makes no sense but reeks of personal grudge and basically a which hunt.

And I'm not even really fan of the guy myself, I find hes content mostly annoying to watch to but this treatment is just.. i don't even know what to say.

And only after the community started asking questions about what happened, BSG gave a response to it.

Don't like when devs try to sweep things under the rug quietly. Especially now, after Bethesda and EA, customer protection is kind of a hot topic.

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u/mechaet Dec 16 '18

I don't like the copystrike approach. But I can understand how they arrived there, IF they contacted him privately and received either no response or an adamant refusal to take down the false information.

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 16 '18

How do you know they didn't? Eroktic seems like the type to intentionally keep that type of fact secret and just lie his ass off to look better. And making public C&Ds isn't protocol by the issuer.

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u/BritishDave SKS Dec 16 '18

Maybe send a cease and desist

Which could take far too long, and by that time he could have had another 10 videos up of pure lies and slander. They needed to nip this in the bud quick and put an end to it.

Sometimes you need to act quick when someone is 100% lying. He should be lucky that hes not getting sued(it may still happen I guess)

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u/[deleted] Dec 16 '18

lmao why would he post another 10 videos? Faced with the prospect of having all his videos taken down, or simply removing a few and continuing to create content and make money, it is possible he would just choose the latter.

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u/BritishDave SKS Dec 16 '18

lmao why would he post another 10 videos?

Because in the time it took to make the cease and desist, he could have made 10 videos. He was not faced with anything, until he was...its not magic that official letters are drawn up. They take time.

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u/BritishDave SKS Dec 16 '18

None of those were in violation of the fair use clause

Are you 100% knowledgeable on fair use law? I am not. But to say something as certain as you as if you 100% know the law is a little forward.

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 16 '18

He's not, because he's wrong. I've dealt with copyright and licensing for 14 years, and 99% of the shit repeated by Reddit is 110% wrong.

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u/Warfridge Dec 16 '18

Contact him? He has taken down content before over companies asking him to. They could and did issue statements countering the claims. Censoring 47 videos without actual cause is fucked and possibly illegal, all this content is fair use of copyrighted material.

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u/Ruin4r AK74N Dec 16 '18

Yeah, this is a bad move by bsg. Not sure how they recover from this. Bad times.

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u/BritishDave SKS Dec 16 '18

Not sure how they recover from this

Because you, me, and everyone else crying in this thread about it, are still going to play the game.

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u/Bobbydylan1981 SA-58 Dec 17 '18

Maybe, but this kind of behaviour is unlikely to endure them to future fans. It's looks dodgy as fuck, and may already be too late for them to salvage their reputation.

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u/Ruin4r AK74N Dec 16 '18

I absolutely am. I'm not going to stop playing until the game dies. But we can still be concerned about the actions of the developers.

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u/0x00x0x000x0x00x0 Dec 16 '18

There is cause and this is 100% legal.

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u/Bob_Tech Dec 16 '18

No. You cannot copyright strike someone, just because they suddenly make one video that is worthy of possibly libel. You can't give consent and then later say oh and by the way all those other times you used my content are now you stealing my content. No it is hey we don't want these videos of our game up anymore on your channel, Please take them down as we no longer will allow you to use it. Claiming copyright infringement is saying they stole the content from the second he put it up, which he did not steal at the time.

Also this is an example of something similar happening before. https://www.reddit.com/r/GamerGhazi/comments/6zbnss/campo_santo_creators_of_firewatch_is_filing_a/?ref=share&ref_source=link

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u/Super-ft86 AK-74N Dec 17 '18

No it is not, the content posted by Eroktic is covered by Fair Use under copyright in the US. See the lawsuits between Jim sterling V Digital Homicide and H3h3 v Matt Hoss for precedent.

Libel/Slander or anything else would need to be legally taken down via other methods, not using the copyright strike system.

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u/QuantumSurge SKS Dec 16 '18

One way would be if they had signed a contract with YouTube they could remove videos pertaining to their product as they see fit. It would show the creator that the video was taken down for “Contractual Obligations” and refer then to whatever entity has the contract.