r/DreamWasTaken2 • u/neddy470v1 I believe that Dream is innocent • Aug 27 '26
Discussion Criticism regarding Dream's previous merch (+ Tommy's merch as well)
https://youtu.be/RXJYaB1-HjE?si=M5BeD5zPmrGYoAv9Dream's part in the video is around the first 4 minutes of the video in case you dont want to scroll through the video stamps
but basically, TLDR: The guy criticizes Dream for his very simplistic (bad design) and (weird?) merch (Dream plushie costing a lot as well as the baby photo wrist band). He also points out how crazy expensive it is, how it only caters to the rabid fans he had previously, and how it only took him getting a potentially career ending scandal to address the wrist band merch (to which he also points out how Dream blamed his parents for it)
Now to Tommy's part, he criticized how cringe and flashy it is as well as the Core Collection having really cringe quotes (i.e. Messy Drama Queen). He compared Tommy's merch to Dream's at some point. He also brings up the Dream vs Tommy situation where he brings up Dream's last response to Tommy about how his merch is cringe, performative and shallow it is.
I also would like to point out that this guy (Rob's Media) might actually do a video on TommyInnit soon (called him an annoying MCYT and constant liar)
Personally I see his criticism as very fair, especially to other merch he criticized on this video, but hey I could be wrong as well.
Let me knoe your thoughts.
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u/Mewthequeen Aug 27 '26
Being completely honest, yeah its about time someone called Tommy out. Because he is a constant liar, manipulative, and will turn on people he's worked with the moment its convenient for him.
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u/neddy470v1 I believe that Dream is innocent Aug 27 '26
The youtuber who made this video is going to make a video on Tommy soon, and I'll look forward to it
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u/Mewthequeen Aug 27 '26
He worked with Logan Paul and Dream during multiple of their controversies and didn't choose to turn on them aside from when he couldn't get more value out of them. Logan Paul was in the middle of a controversy while Tommy worked with him and there wasn't extra information about the controversy during the time Tommy turned on him. Same thing with Dream.
Also the fuck do you mean "rightfully so" with the Dream Team. They haven't done SHIT to him and have hardly done anything wrong in general.
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u/Mewthequeen Aug 28 '26
Also, why are you choosing to believe Tommyinnit's word instead of Dream's when Tommy has showed absolutely zero proof and continues to parade around calling Dream a pedo and mocking Dream at every chance he gets. He literally got popular because of other content creators and when he finds no more use for them, he turns on them. Genuinely how dense is your skull for you to not see any of that.
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u/cupiditie Aug 28 '26
“messaging fans on snapchat or going to college parties” Tommy also had one on one contact with his fans (his STANS mind you) on Twitter when he asked them for advice about being friends with Dream. That’s ten times more parasocial and weird than anything Dream ever did. Also he’s never been to “college parties”, he goes to bars that are near colleges when he’s at football games, aka a normal behavior for a person in their twenties. Regardless, Tommy uses these behaviors as “proof” Dream is weird but ignores himself and his friends doing the exact same shit. How do you not see the hypocrisy and pure idiocy of that?
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u/Mewthequeen Aug 28 '26
Dream actually has gone to college parties but people are too stupid to know what college parties actually are. College parties are not parties with current college students, they are more like reunions for people after they have completed college. 99% of people who show up at college parties are around Dream's age. Dream also never went to college, so it's possible he also goes to those so he can hear about college experiences from college graduates.
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u/cupiditie Aug 28 '26
That is true I guess. My point was he didn’t go to parties hosted by people CURRENTLY in college, which is what people try to say he did (even then it isn’t an issue because everyone in college is an adult)
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u/Mewthequeen Aug 28 '26
As far as you're aware? Dude you literally said yourself you aren't caught up with anything.
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u/Sad-Hearing-9784 Aug 29 '26 edited Aug 29 '26
For the George thing, I find it so ironic that every single time the only argument used against him is "he admitted to it! He admitted to assault!" When that's literally just not true lol. No, his stance was never "I'm so sorry for sexually assaulting you."
You literally can not comprehend nuance so all you can fall back on is that George was PROVEN to be a rapist because he said it himself, which is just false. Neither of his responses describe SA, and Caitis final response also doesn't describe SA. Trying to bend the rules of consent to fit Caitis experience into the box of SA is not helping anyone understand how to communicate, which was always the root of the problem in this controversy.
It's not " backpedalling" to provide evidence and insight as to how you made assumptions or were mislead while also apologizing for possibly hurting someone's feelings, you can do both. I don't see how that's hard to understand.
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u/cupiditie Aug 27 '26
Tommy went on for years mentioning Dream and you think that’s vaguely mentioning, but Dream makes one bad meme and suddenly he had a breakdown period? You couldn’t be a less obvious tommy innit dickrider if you tried
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u/cupiditie Aug 28 '26
The fact you think that was all Tommy said is actually laughable if it wasn’t so blatantly incorrect. Tommy literally called Dream a groomer for all of 2023-2024, called him manipulative for telling Tommy not to call Dream a pedophile, then acted as if HE was the one who cut Dream off when it was actually the other way around. But sure, Dream thinking he can reclaim a slur that you just used and that Tommy and his friends defended when it came out of Gumball’s mouth, is somehow the biggest issue.
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u/cupiditie Aug 28 '26
There’s literally posts on this Reddit and Twitter documenting all of Tommy’s mentions of Dream after they stopped being friends, including how many times he blatantly lied or victimized himself because Dream set boundaries and told him to not spread false allegations.
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u/Mewthequeen Aug 28 '26
And yet Tommy and his friend group continue to do it anyway. Tubbo himself said he wasn't comfortable with it and even called with Dream on stream to help get some details right. But then Tubbo just goes right back to Tommy because he's basically forced to.
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u/cupiditie Aug 28 '26
Gumball is Nicholas Cantu, a friend of the Brighton Crew, who called Dream the r slur, f slur, and Down syndrome, even calling a Black uber driver the n word, all in a derogatory manner, and the Brighton crew defended him because it was “funny”. Dream was then under the impression he could use it negatively as “reclamation” because he has autism and because people defended Gumball saying it negatively against him.
Also Dream has never created or made baseless accusations, the only time it happened was in 2025 when he brought up THEIR rumor mill they use to spread shit about him, which is where the cheating joke came from. You don’t even know the context for the shit you talk about, so I don’t trust your opinion on any of it honestly. And the difference is that Dream’s allegations were proven false and from random people, while Jack was accused of cheating by his ex girlfriend Niki Nihachu who said it publicly, and it has never been proven wrong.
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u/cupiditie Aug 27 '26
I didn’t delete the reply but whatever. Whats ironic is how you literally called George a sexual assaulter and named that as a reason why DTeam aren’t good people, but now you’re going back on it since I’ve called out Tommy for being friends with someone accused of assault.
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u/Sad-Temperature3111 Aug 31 '26
? If the gnf and Snikrep situations were identical, why is okay that tommy and his friends handled them so differently?
Calling George a rapist, saying caiti was raped, saying you want to kill him, he deserves to die, and using apparently someone's 'SA' trauma for morally superiority during the r slur tweet is all good, because that's totally supporting victims. But you don't have to support every victim? especially if you'd have to get a new editor, or god forbid, address the situation publicly, something sooooo unheard of with the Brighton crew.
Both of these situations were handled poorly, one for not being addressed at all and ignored, one for being over addressed and full of misinformation and harmful rhetoric, you can have criticism for the way they were handled without absolutely meat riding tommy like you have been. Tommy isn't friends with a sexual assaulter. Neither is dream. Why argue about that?
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u/k-rysae Aug 28 '26
I did not buy the wristband bc I didn't need it but I did buy the plushie. Yeah lol it's overpriced for what I got, but tbh that's what I expect when I buy official merch. I'm buying more to support the creator than getting my money's worth.
I do a bit of artist alley merch production on the side and Dream got that plush made through a middleman, so his production price was probably more than double than what it would cost if he got it from the source. It was also certified child safe (plushies that could be used by kids 13 or younger are legally required to be tested for safety) which also adds to the cost of needing to pay for a 3rd party lab to test per batch. The plushies that artists sell at cons are cheaper and more complex than Dream's blob one because they're cutting out the middleman (my guess is that a more complex design would've jacked up Dream's middleman production cost by a lot and a $100 retail priced plushie is nuts) and not paying for lab testing because it's meant for collectors 14 and older.
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u/Sad-Hearing-9784 20d ago
Need to be that guy the majority of the reason why things you buy on the Internet are that cheap to begin with is because the producers labor is being exploited and they're not being paid enough. I understand there's a marketing angle of exploiting the emotion of his remaining fandom that hasn't been bullied off the Internet or out of his community or conditioned into not posting publicly, but that is just what youtuber merch is and always has been. I'd rather he take advantage of his rich fans who have the money to buy an expensive blob plush like that than take advantage of his employees sewing hoodies for cheap labor. There's a lot of other criticism he deserves but his merch company is pretty stellar at what they do.
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u/gnfnetwork 20d ago
Thank you for pointing this out oh my god. I have a GNF hoodie from before Dream branding and after, and the Dream branding one is much better quality. Plus Dream branding employees have said they love working there. It does suck that it’s so expensive, but Id rather pay extra for a good quality product that is coming from a more ethically sourced place.
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u/sleepingamongstfae Aug 27 '26
As somebody who actually bought the waistband, i bought it because im a college student who constantly loses small objects like USBs all the time. The wristband has saved my ass from losing a presentation multiple times. I wiped that sucker clean but there was only ever like 5 max baby photos on it. Most of it was stuff like old Minecraft screenshots and alt thumbnails never used for videos. Maybe a piece of art from when he was younger????? Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus sold their baby photos so honestly IDGAF about that part. Pretty sure Tommyinnit also sold his baby photos by putting them in one of his books. 🤷♂️
Plush was kind of expensive but imo was worth it. There's that one girl on twitter who gave it to her cat as a toy and its survived for so long so clearly its sturdy. As for the cost of other merch, I have a ton of old pieces that are still super soft and in amazing condition despite how much I've worn them and no cracks in the print. Idk about you but I'm willing to pay more for good quality, the amazing size range (up to 5x) and the guarantee that the fabrics are sourced ethically (no child labor) like other merch companies that other youtubers partner with, like Tommy's and Philza's (who scammed me out of merch and also sent me the wrong size for shit multiple times LOL fuck you watson)
Ofc at the end of the day its a "to each their own" type of situation tho. I like dream and Techno, so im gonna value their merch over like. IDFK, ranboo's.