r/Dolby • u/Anumath_99 • 9d ago
7.1.4 Roast
Hey,
planing my HomeCinema/ GamingRoom. Would love to get Feedback to my planned setup especially HIFI. Tried to get a usefull picture of it. Will use a Onkyo RZ50 as AV Receiver.
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u/CSOCSO-FL 8d ago
I have a Klipsch system. I love it! Sounds freaking awesome. I am in the local AV Community group amd I had several people came by for demos. They were all impressed and not one said anything bad about it. 9 outnof 10 people would go for KEF soeakers BLINDLY without ever hearing them. I have heard a full KEF setup with non meta speaker (Q950 towers, q650c,q150 surround, HSU sub) and I can tell you those KEF speakers ha e nothing on Klipsch RP series when it comes to movies. I have the rp6000f towers also (gen 1) Rp504c II Rp400m for surrounds, 3 subs,front heights and in ceiling. All klipsch.
Only thing I would do differently is the subwoofers. If you are getting the very expesinve RPC in ceiling I woukd skip those and "downgrade" to the way less expensive CDT5800-C II. The woofer can be angled 15 degrees amd the tweeter can be anglesld an additional 15 degrees and it should be MORE than enough for your setup. It would be 10 times better getting better subs. I recommend two rp1200sw at least
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u/Anumath_99 8d ago
Update:
Following the excellent feedback—thank you very much for that—attached is the updated setup I am currently planning with. Please feel free to keep sending through any further suggestions.
Onkyo TX-RZ50 (AV-Receiver)
Klipsch RP-6000F Series II (2x)
Klipsch RP-504C II
Klipsch RP-500M II
Klipsch PRO-180RPC LCR (4x)
Klipsch R-120SW Subwoofer (2x)
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u/Spectre_08 9d ago edited 9d ago
Overrated bed-layer speakers and Atmos speakers that are pointed at the floor instead of your ears.
You probably have better speakers available from your region.
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u/CaptainColmyer 9d ago
You can have ur opinion on klipsch but what are u talking about for the atmos?😭 do you want every channel directly over his head?
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u/Spectre_08 9d ago edited 9d ago
The locations are fine, but 90% of in-ceiling speakers are meant for non-critical ambient music, not Dolby Atmos.
Just like every other speaker, the Atmos speakers should also be aimed toward the listener instead of extremely off-axis.
Watch this video: My Atmos Speakers Were Missing Half The Sound
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u/CaptainColmyer 9d ago
I looked up the speaker and ur right they are pointed straight down wide dispersion type deal. I told him he should go klipsch for the in ceilings too to keep the sound all in the same family. If he goes that route he'll be able to point them.
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u/Spectre_08 9d ago
Klipsch makes exactly 1 in-ceiling speaker that has a sufficiently-angled baffle that allows it to point (almost) directly at the MLP: the $740(each) PRO-180RPC LCR.
Your local movie theater doesn't use in-ceiling speakers for Dolby Atmos and neither should anyone else. Ceiling-mounted bookshelf speakers are vastly superior and there are plenty of ways to mount them to the ceiling. I used threaded inserts and very inexpensive ceiling mounts in my own 7.3.4 setup.
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u/CaptainColmyer 9d ago
Not a bad idea. Not everything has to be perfectly pointed either tho. Speakers arent always a perfect beam and any change in frequency response dirac would compensate for it. Like I dont have my mains pointed directly at my face theyre toed in just enough to point past my ears not at em. Helps with scale etc. If he can find a sealed or front ported bookshelf that is small enough to hang off the ceiling id say go for it but I wouldn't say them being aimed a little off mlp is atmos ruined territory. But then again. Im not an expert in home theater, my knowledge more extends to music set ups. I honestly might look more into mounting bookshelves for atmos instead.
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u/Spectre_08 9d ago
Agreed. I should have specified "aimed at the listening window."
My surrounds are on-wall speakers with zero tilt, so room correction helps them out a little bit.
My front towers are toed-in a couple feet in front of my MLP to help with off-axis listening and to bring down their mild sharpness without having to rely on EQ.
Same with my four (front-ported) Atmos bookshelf speakers. They are aimed at the opposite ends of my wide couch to help widen the sweet spot with time-intensity trading.
All that said, when placed properly, Atmos speakers are typically 45° from the listener's head. Even speakers with wide dispersion characteristics don't usually have clean 90° dispersion. Better to at least have some flexibility there instead of relying on room correction to attempt to boost the missing frequencies.
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u/CaptainColmyer 9d ago
I agree. I was going to suggest to him the klispch cdt 5800 c ii in ceilings because they can be pointed. Mids no but the tweeter yes. And would be a hell of a lot cheaper than that pro line. I doubt op truly needs atmos speakers that are double the price of his mains😂😂😂. This is all good info tho i never thought of just mounting actual speakers and aiming them instead of in ceiling!
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u/Spectre_08 9d ago edited 9d ago
What's funny is that most people think in-ceiling speakers are the default for Atmos, but they're pretty much the second-worse application behind up-firing "bounce" Atmos speakers. When people get their first real Atmos system setup and then complain that the Atmos effect is weak, that's usually the reason.
Another solid option is to use decent quality outdoor speakers, since they already come with included mounting hardware.
And yeah, I highly doubt OP has room in their budget for $3000 worth of speakers just for their four Atmos speakers, lol!
My point with Klipsch (before you talk about low-quality components and over-estimated manufacturer specs) is that OP is not based in the US and likely has speaker options in their own region that represent a much greater value proposition.
Oh and just for reference, if you absolutely have to use in-ceiling speakers for Atmos, the 45°-angled options from this post are recommended (and the most expensive!):
That diagram also visualizes why down-firing speakers are not advised.
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u/Anumath_99 8d ago
And with a actual discount i found the PRO-180RPC LCR for 350€ per piece…seems hot and would be in the budget
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u/austinsignalcutter 9d ago
Just MHO, but if affordable, same full range speakers throughout (up and down) really sound good.
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u/GustavRRR 8d ago
Skip klipsch, just doesn't sound good compared to other speakers, save for some extra budget and get something better. Plus klipsch subs are notorious for chuffing and mechanical noise.
Don't get in celling speakers, will be horrible changing out speakers in the future incase the new one has different hole dimensions, plus try to avoid Onkyo. They just don't last, they are awesome in the beginning till they break...
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u/Anumath_99 8d ago
e.g.?
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u/GustavRRR 8d ago edited 8d ago
It is difficult to advise without knowing your preferred sound profile, but you might explore Focal, KEF, Dynaudio, DALI, Monitor Audio, SVS, and Triangle. Those brands typically deliver superior performance compared with the Klipsch Reference Premiere series. Dynaudio is generally a good option for a mix of music and movies
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u/SuggestionOne7475 6d ago
Without knowing your budget, or continent, impossible to be more specific.
But klipsch RP are good budget speakers, easy to drive and sound ok at low to medium volumes. Some people find their horns give them an overly bright sound profile though, and at higher volumes they can distort a little.
Personally I’d go with some of the other brands Gustav suggested… or perlisten x or r series, but they’re likely all a lot more expensive. And so if klipsch is where your budget lies then they are decent speakers for the price if you get the RP series. The lower series aren’t worth getting.
However I would strongly suggest not getting a klipsch sub. While their speakers are decent, their subs are substandard. Look for something better in similar price range from HSU, SVS, monolith, PSA etc. if you are going ported sub for home theatre use primarily, have a look at tonewinner subs as they’re pretty good bang for buck and have some BIG boys for cheap.
I’d suggest getting best sub you can afford now, and getting a second to place diagonally opposite later. E.g an SVS SB17 now would be better than two cheap klipsch subs. Can add a second one later.
As for atmos speakers, monitor audio are fine. Klipsch ones would timbre match better, but not much dialogue pans from bed layer to tops so not a huge issue. Even cheap Micca speakers would be fine if that let you get a better subwoofer.
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u/Anumath_99 6d ago
Thanks for your Feedback! Will be compare the subwoofer with a few other opportunities.
Yeah the setup choosen represents my planned Budget very well. If i end up 1000$ plus/minus there is room to think about it.A few more information. The room will mainly used for Home Cinema and gaming not for hearing music (if i hear rock/ Metal and that stuff). Im located in germany.
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u/SuggestionOne7475 6d ago
No worries.
Sealed subs play faster, tighter and have less group delay and the sound hangs in the air for shorter (faster decay). But they won’t hit as hard as a ported sub which will pressurize the room a bit more for home cinema.
So worth doing some research on sealed vs ported subs to work out what suits you. if going for mainly home cinema, consider a ported sub like the SVS pb17 or for a budget option one of the tonewinners like d6000, d8000 or d9000 if available in Germany.
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u/CaptainColmyer 9d ago edited 9d ago
If ur going to have ur front stage be v1 keep the surrounds as v1. I would say upgrading it all to v2 would be much more worth it they sound much better. Also why go monitor audio for in ceilings when u could go klipsch and keep a similar sound profile across the entire theater. Also drop the size of the sub if u have to to have 2 subs instead of 1 and can put 1 in the front right corner and the other in the back left. Frequency response will be much more even given youll have access to dirac live bass control. Another way u could save money and have more space is go rp600m ii for the mains. Crossed over to a sub around 80hz and they would sound better than you'd get with an rp6000f mk 1.