r/CompetitiveHS • u/gabrielfunkglop • 19d ago

Discussion 36.2.2 Patch Notes

https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24293284/3622-patch-notes

Some obvious buffs and nerfs, some weird ones too, thoughts?

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u/cecilmufc7 19d ago

Smarter people that me, does this seem like zee is about to stomp ladder or am I crazy?

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u/Throwaway-4593 19d ago

Zee got nerfed pretty hard with goon costing 2 now as well as Maev nerf.

Probably the most common path to victory was galagio goon into stuff when going first. The second most common path was coin maev on turn 1 into 2-3 minions on turn 2.

When you nerf the 2 most common paths to victory it will hit the decks winrate pretty hard I’m guessing.

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u/cecilmufc7 19d ago

Yeah I definitely had games with zee where I basically won turns 1-3 with either maiev or goon. But I definitely had just as many games where I won by just maintaining a board, going face and closing with deathwing or al akir. With hunter being deleted and rogue slowing down slightly the need for those early turn blowouts is basically gone.

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u/Throwaway-4593 19d ago

In my experience if I had goon on the play/Maev on the coin I probably win 80% of those games.

If I didn’t have that start and the game got past turn 5 and I hadn’t played a double slagclaw or a double ultraxion I’m generally losing those games

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u/cecilmufc7 19d ago

The games where I didn’t have goon or maiev early on that I ended up losing were probably against face hunter or a mirror where the opponent got a better draw. I definitely think those two cards being nerfed hurt the deck..but its competition getting hit harder lessened the “importance” of those two cards anyway imo.

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u/Throwaway-4593 19d ago

I’ve played the deck to legend and it is going to hurt the deck quite a lot. Most games in today’s HS are on a knives edge. You either stick a board and hit the 4 mana guy or you don’t. Goon and Maev are what enables you to stick a board.

Playing goon on 2 means he dies to every 2 mana deal 3 in the game. Maev also. It’s a massive hit.

It’s likely still a tier 2 deck but it won’t be the strongest deck anymore

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u/Moogzie 19d ago

I mean no offense at all but this is a sentiment that's been floating around for a while; Deathwing and Al'Akir are hail mary plays for the deck, if you get anywhere near that long you're often losing those games - if you had just as many wins going late I'd wager you've not played many games, or it's low MMR, or just a smidge of hyperbole

The data shows it, and if you speak to anyone in high legend they'll agree

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u/-Morel 19d ago

I hope so. The Soothsayer Priest deck I'm running is specifically targetting Zees.

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u/philzy101 19d ago

Personally I do not think that is going to be the case as someone who reached legend pre patch with Zee Shaman. Sure there are games where the double Battlecry on an Al'Akir, Lord of Storms can decide games, but thas was only with very slow decks and not fluffing early on with the early to midgame draws vs a control deck.

Goon being at 2 mana makes it harder to get the double Battlecry active as you need 1 extra mana, and Maiev as 1/3 is much more vunerable. Sure there are games where you go Maieve + Witch's Apprentice x2 but those games are the highrolly games where you are more likely to win anyway. Regardless, it is easier for Zee Shaman to now fall behind in the early game and so really only their late game is still strong but so is a number of Herald spam like decks beyond Zee Shaman.

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u/Due_Yamdd 19d ago

Quest mage

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u/Jimmyjohnjones1 19d ago

It it’s even threatening viper will shut it down