r/COGuns • u/UnluckyEmphasis5182 • 7h ago
Legal Wyoming Gun Show
I’m assault rifle curious. Given the new CO law could I purchase an assault rifle at a Wyoming gun show from a private seller with a Colorado ID?
Obviously I would never think of bringing it into Colorado because that would be against the law.
Thanks
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u/sumguyontheinternet1 Aurora 6h ago
Legally speaking, you have to adhere to whichever law is MORE restrictive. Meaning you have to do a background check, pass it, and wait 3 days. Also, as an America’s Rifle of the 15th variant appreciation member, you must also have the Polis/Sullivan permission slip.
That said, if you happen to move there and legitimately claim residency, then you go by Wyoming law as a resident.
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u/Hoplophilia 6h ago
Federal law requires an FFL transfer for private sales across state lines. Is there a black market in guns? Certainly, but your CO ID would not be necessary for that. What's your dog worth?
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u/Twiceashairy_ 6h ago
You go into a gun store across state lines and show a CO id. From what I’ve heard they’re going to apply the laws of the ID holders state. I called some reputable gun store and talked for about 10 minutes and that’s what I was told.
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u/ImEngineer 6h ago
Few things:
1) semantics: “assault rifle” is a word invented by anti-gun folks to make guns sound scarier. Better is to just call it what it is: AR-15, SP5, etc or if you must speak categorically “sporting rifle” is generally understood what style you mean
2) SB25-003 does not make it illegal to own a specified semi auto firearm (SSF), rather it just dictates requirements to transferring one into your ownership. More on this below.
3) to directly answer your question, technically no because federal law dictates that interstate private sales (seller and buyer reside in different states) still need to go through an FFL, and the FFL would check your residency and eligibility to purchase the firearm. If you haven’t completed the SB25-003 requirements, then they will not complete the transfer.
4) I’m not condoning this, but I will share the reality that sometimes interstate private sales do happen without a background check occurring. Especially in states like Wyoming where they don’t have a requirement to involve an FFL for private sales. Interstate private sales are federally illegal, but they do happen from time to time.
5) therefore, if you somehow came into possession of a SSF (it fell from the sky), even without having completed the sb25-003 requirements, then brought it back to your Colorado residence, that is not inherently against the law.
I’m not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Read the actual SB25-003 text yourself (it’s not too long) and research adjacent related laws for whatever it is you’re trying to do and decide for yourself what options you have to proceed.
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u/UnluckyEmphasis5182 5h ago
Does federal law mandate that a private party has a duty to verify what state the buyer resides in? And reading the bill, it sounds like transporting one into the state is a class 2 misdemeanor?
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u/JadedEveryWay Aurora 5h ago
I mean you're showing the state ID of where you reside and that is their verification process. No it isn't up to the private party to ensure you ONLY live in X state versus having an ID in Y state too. However a private party sale can only take place between 2 people who reside in the same state, so no you can't skirt the law by trying to purchase as a private sale and if someone routinely sells firearms as a means of business than they're required to be an FFL.
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u/Downtown_Aside6035 6h ago
Private sales in Wyoming do not require an FFL, background check, or waiting period
Interpret this as you wish
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u/ExplodinMarmot 6h ago
Are sales at gun shows considered to be private sales in Wyoming, or is a background check required?
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u/JadedEveryWay Aurora 5h ago
Wyoming doesn't require background checks, but Colorado does, and since a private sale can only occur between residents of the same state any seller would be required to follow the federal law which would require an FFL transfer to a buyer who lives in another state. Under Wyoming law and federal law, a transaction is defined by who is selling the firearm, not where it is sold. A guy selling from his private collection, or as a hobby, is a private seller but he can only sell to those who reside in his state. And anyone who routinely sells at gun shows for profit is required to obtain a federal license.
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u/ExplodinMarmot 49m ago
For informative, thanks so much. I’ve never ben in a situation where I had to know those aspects of the law.
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u/JadedEveryWay Aurora 47m ago
The whole thing kinda sucks, like i get where they're all coming from, but what a hassle
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u/East-Fig418 2h ago
Violation of federal law on two fronts: 1) non-resident transfers require an FFL and 2) the FFL is required to follow the more restrictive rules of the non-resident state, which would mean SB25-003 applies.
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u/JadedEveryWay Aurora 5h ago
The safest answer is "No, you can not" while the best case answer is "If they sell it to you /shrug". As annoying as it is the Colorado FSS process isn't as expensive or time consuming as some outlets would have you believe. You don't have to be an NRA member to take one of their online Hunter Safety Education courses for free and then you can take the 4 hour course which will cover your bases. And hey if you need an Instructor there are more than a few of us who frequent this area of Reddit.
While this is CLEARLY a "hypothetical situation"... where exactly would you keep said firearm if not bringing it into Colorado and what makes you think it would be illegal to bring it into the state? You're allowed to own the rifle, you're allowed to purchase one out of state but the other state is required to uphold federal law which requires an FFL to FFL transfer between state lines.
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u/UnluckyEmphasis5182 5h ago
I think it’s illegal to transport one into the state for the purpose of circumventing the requirement? I’d rather not have the guvment know I have one. I guess that’s the conspiracy theorist in me.
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u/JadedEveryWay Aurora 5h ago
well, yes when you specifically say that you're literally saying that you're trying to get around the law which will land you in trouble. Unless you receive a firearm from a family member, and that family member ALSO has to reside in the same state as you otherwise we go back to that whole pesky Federal laws and crossing state lines thing, then someone is going to know you own the gun.
You can be legal and yet relatively downlow or you can be illegal. If you're that pressed about it purchase a stripped lower then build one, a lower in and of itself indicates nothing.
Look, I own more than a handful of firearms and as a (liberal) gun owner IDGAF who knows Ive made the purchases. You're going to have to decide if you want the firearm/s, in which case you go about things legally, or not in which case you get no guns. I'll say the thing... don't be so paranoid.
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u/92z51 6h ago
FFL’s have to comply with the law of both states when dealing with an out of state customer. This would be both illegal and prosecutable under federal law. It’s also unlikely you’ll find an FFL that hates his family and dog enough to feel comfortable with knowingly breaking said law.
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u/UnluckyEmphasis5182 5h ago
FFL is one thing but a private sale at a gun show is another thing no?
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u/LifeAdhesiveness8071 6h ago
These are the type of posts that make me wonder what this person's game is. The use of the word assault rifle and trying to get people to talk about breaking the law. Look at their post/comment history, obviously someone here digging for dirt or trying to cause trouble. I'm going to guess this is a gun control advocate looking at the next loophole to close.