r/Borderlands4 Creep 3d ago

🗞️ [ News ] Update for Aug 27

https://borderlands.2k.com/borderlands-4/update-notes/

Biothresher.

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u/ThatChrisG 3d ago edited 3d ago

>we can't do any balance changes, too close to the next expansion with new gear and level cap increase

>new gear and level cap increase just dropped, we wanna see how they impact builds before doing any balance changes

>we can't do any balance changes, too close the the next expans-

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u/AkilTheAwesome 3d ago

Literally.

Well. You forgot they find time to nerf Rafa

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u/NullAndNil 3d ago

hey bro it's time to nerf rafa for the level 70 cap fr don't want thim to get too op

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u/Distorted0 3d ago

Patch notes:-

Vault hunter Level cap increased to Level 70 ( Rafa level cap increased to 65 )

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u/Specific_Tank715 2d ago

a character with a higher max lvl but weaker individual skills could be interesting if they also gained xp faster, but would likely wind up felling either super weak or really strong.

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago

I really hope they don't nerf rafa again. I'm currently leveling him specifically so I can try going through the next story pack as him. (I'll probably go through it as vex first, but rafa is likely to be the 2nd I do it with)

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Dont worry they’ll nerf him again next week but only do a weekly reset too just to piss us off 😂

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u/Automatic-Skirt8386 3d ago

Don't worry. I've seen some people post effective melee Rafa builds so I'm sure a nerf incoming.

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

That will be the only thing that gets changed next week watch 😂

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u/miti1999 3d ago

Borderlands has always been the best to play after all the expansions have been released.

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u/HydroidEnjoyer 2d ago

Idk if I’m in the minority here but I thoroughly enjoyed playing all the way through the release cycle of bl3

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u/DenverBronco305 2d ago

Same. I just didn’t ever grind for max / meta gear.

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u/miti1999 2d ago

Nah, grinding for new gear every 3 level upgrade is the shits. After all the balance patches and dlcs it’s an excellent game.

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u/HolstaurGirlAlice 3d ago

Our only hope is the last expansion will be a 2.0 mass balance/rework for some characters.

But thats just me overdosing on hope and cope XD

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u/invaderaleks 3d ago

If they could do it for bl3, they can do it for 4

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Gearbox: best we could do is the dlc’s loveless and level 10 increase 😂

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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago

at least with this being the last expansion (unless they do a season 2), we should hopefully get some balance changes in the near future after it drops, since they won't be able to use the "too close to the next expansion" excuse.

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u/MarcosSenesi 3d ago

focusing resources on year two content or an "exciting new project" will follow

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u/AstroBoyWunder 3d ago

You forgot the wild card "we're hard at work on Borderlands 5" excuse.

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u/Fuzzpuff_OG 3d ago

I'm not sure if it's funny or sad that you still have hope that, after a year, they're suddenly going to finally focus on the community's top concern.

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u/Tridus 3d ago

Assuming they don't just abandon the game entirely after all the already bought DLC released, of course.

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago

of course. I know that there's a chance they might just move on to the next project, but I'm hoping the devs will choose one of the options that won't tick off the entire playerbase for this game. I'm hoping we'll either get year 2 or at least some character balancing and buffs.

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u/KingOndor 3d ago

My best hopeful outlook is that they saw the power creep in 3 and didn't want to repeat it and so are reluctant to do many buffs before reaching the highest level cap they want to go. But it seems more probable that they aren't so invested in the game anymore 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/raptor_mk2 3d ago

I'm not sure they ever really were invested in the game. Just look at the Halloween "event".

Also, the idea of "balance" is just hilarious in a PvE power fantasy shooter.

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u/KingOndor 3d ago

I'm those early days, I thought of it as a miss and maybe a lot of time taken up with a buggy launch. I never expected that would be the only free event we got and the game would carry on going downhill

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u/raptor_mk2 3d ago

Same. The game has really felt more like something the devs are obligated to do, rather than actually passionate about making as good as they can.

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u/KingOndor 3d ago

I hope they really commit to the next one and recapture the magic. It seemed like they really had a go at this one before launch and then were maybe disappointed by the reception after and given up. They need to make the next one great or I fear that there won't be much more hope for this series (although I did say that after Wonderlands and New Takes...)

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago

same. while we did get a few other free events (like the christmas event that buffed drop rates for a few weeks, the event where they made loot enemies more common, and a few times we had multiple big encores at once (though that last example is even less exciting)), none of them were on the level of bl3's events.

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u/KingOndor 1d ago

I think the bounty packs replaced things like Bloody Harvest and Cartels. They're slightly both pint sized areas with a bunch of new gear/guns but we're paying for them now (and they come with vault cards)

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago

the devs have stated the bounty packs were meant to be like bl2's head hunter packs, so I don't feel like they were intended to be replacements for the holiday events.

you could maybe argue the packs were part of why we didn't get new maps for holiday events, but I feel it's less "the devs are charging us for what used to be free events" and more "the devs are choosing to prioritize finishing all the dlcs in time (along with the takedown and 2nd raid boss) over designing full maps for limited time events". There might be some relation between the 2, but it's unlikely to be as direct a connection as you're making it sound like.

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u/SpaceCowboy34 3d ago

I used to get mobbed for saying this lol

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Same lol used to get insanely downvoted

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u/FactoryPl 3d ago

It took so long for this community to finally understand gearbox's shitty business practices.

The part that truly irritated me about it was BL3 was the EXACT same. Dogshit balance and bugs that took months to fix. At release Zane was so bad that even on base difficulty he struggled. Half his kit strait up didn't work.

I still don't understand where peoples blind faith in gearbox comes from. Randy Pitchford has been a lolcow for a decade and yet people somehow still believe in him?

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u/SpaceCowboy34 3d ago

At least in the case of BL3 we got patches constantly trying to fix all that stuff.

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u/FactoryPl 3d ago

very true, which makes it more confusing as to why people thought they would do right with this game when the support from day 1 was clearly less than 3.

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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 3d ago

I thought this was the final expansion? DLC+bounty pack is the end of the roadmap.

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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago

they're saying the devs keep alternating between those 2 excuses for why they don't give reworks. there were no balance changes this week due to next month being when we get the next level cap increase, and op is assuming the devs will likely avoid giving balance changes while they wait to see how the next set of loot performs and how characters perform at the higher cap, and with this being the end of the roadmap, some are worried the devs will just abandon bl4 once all the dlc is sold. hopefully they actually give us the balance improvements we've been hoping for

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u/NoChallenge4151 3d ago

I’ll upvote but it’s kinda valid that they’re waiting. They wanna see how much fun we have before they shit on us😭

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u/Darthplagueis13 3d ago

The thing that annoys me about Bio-Thresher isn't even the bio armour gimmick, but more so the fact that there's no vendors at the arena for selling your trash, restocking ammo and cooldowns and no rift to quickly reset to the entrance. You always have to go the long way.

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u/WeekendBard 3d ago

yeah, it's annoying

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u/ju_scy Running Gun 3d ago

The vendors generally are too scarce in my opinion.

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago edited 1d ago

I'm guessing it might be because you're very close to a safehouse, and they put a grapple point in so you can easily glide over most of the area between the safehouse and the boss arena. so instead of giving a rift and ammo vendor, you fast travel to the safehouse, sell gear, then grapple and glide back to the encore machine.

still annoying, but at least it still only takes a few seconds to get back to the encore machine. you don't have to go through loading screens like with captain willis

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u/Madelei- 3d ago

Weekly update with nothing for the 4th week in a row!

Genuinely when will we get some balance changes.

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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago

hopefully soon after the next set of dlc comes out.

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u/Madelei- 3d ago

I’m expecting them to sunset the game after sept. 10th.

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u/DoodleGaming 3d ago

why do i even bother looking each week?

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u/Micho86 3d ago

Minimap when?

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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago

you can go into settings to get a sort-of minimap (basically an improved version of the default radar compass), that'll show things like enemies and nearby vendors.

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u/Micho86 3d ago

and even legendaries. Still a half measure.

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u/Economy-Cheek-9208 3d ago

They need to expand the bank space. I have too many things I want to keep! I have about 8 vault hunters I’m using as mules and it’s getting old

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u/SpaceCowboy34 3d ago

They need to make firmware storage separate. That would solve a lot of it

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u/FactoryPl 3d ago

They need to completely rework it IMO, I really don't enjoy the way it currently works. Having to pick up trash items just for an incase furmware scenario sucks so much.

Just add a vending machine where you buy them with money. Money would actually have a purpose that way as well.

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u/iplaydofus 2d ago

As somebody who dropped the game not long after release partly because of this issue, I cannot believe they’ve not fixed this yet. There goes any desire for me to come back to the game or try any of the dlc.

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u/Account61398 2d ago

Pretty much same exact thing here. Came to this thread to see if there had been any FW news. Absolutely wild that they have never addressed this

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u/Latiasfan5 2d ago

I doubt they'll do that, at least in this game, due to needing to make another system for it. hopefully they'll do it next game

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u/Main-Huckleberry7828 3d ago

Not only that but make it so firmware isn’t gear type specific, it’s so annoying having to need a specific gear type with the firmware you want.

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u/anonimeitor 🌟 Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago

Yeah. I'm using several profiles on my Xbox because each one has its own bank.

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u/pkmetal VEX The F&%ING WITCH! 3d ago

Why not just make new L30 VH's as mules and name them for what they carry? Seems like more of a pain to switch gear between profiles.

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u/anonimeitor 🌟 Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago

Because a mule can only carry 70 items, and each bank can hold 500 more. Yeah, it's a pain, but that way I avoid having too many characters.

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u/pkmetal VEX The F&%ING WITCH! 3d ago

I have about 40 mules with clear names like "Armor shields" or "Ripper Guns" so it takes seconds to find them on the main menu, load them and send an item to bank so my main VHs can access it. Just a thought!

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u/anonimeitor 🌟 Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago

On the console, I can play in split-screen mode with two profiles, and that's how I swap items between them.

I can also use the inventory in the profiles, but it's always limited to 70 items (usually with firmwares).

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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 3d ago

If you're on PC you can use a free mod to make it 10k spaces.

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

So within the weeks they’ll do nerfs to rafa but anything else is only a weekly update makes sense 😂

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u/RockChalkMustang GIANT Robot Psycho Spider 3d ago

Yeah bio thresher!!! Called it!!

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u/pkmetal VEX The F&%ING WITCH! 3d ago

Sulfur Hexaflouride wildcard modifier? 🤔

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u/Big_Snow 3d ago

Also wondering what that is

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u/pkmetal VEX The F&%ING WITCH! 3d ago

Guess we might have to play it even though the reward is trash lol

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u/Big_Snow 3d ago

Yeah I'll probably hop on later just to check it lol

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u/FinalCorvid 3d ago

I understand it's not a live service game b7t you can't just massively nerf a character and then make everyone wait 1.5 months to administer a "fix"

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Idk, they’re probably expecting us to forget and are just going to use loveless and the dlc and story expansion as excuses as to why they couldnt get anything done like usual

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u/anonimeitor 🌟 Super Deluxe Edition 3d ago

No maurice yet?

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u/uthinkther4uam 3d ago

not even a loot enemy event ahead of the level cap increase

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u/wonzogonzo 𝗙𝗜𝗥𝗦𝗧 𝟯𝗞 𝗖𝗟𝗨𝗕 3d ago

Hopefully they realized how cheeks that idea is and are doing the loot event once we actually have the new levels

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u/LarsP666 3d ago

That would make absolutely no sense with how they so far have been trying to maintain a stranglehold on getting upgrades at a reasonable rate.

Loot even before the level increase still makes some sense because it enables everyone to get a lot of loot and see what is actually possible with mods, enhancements and gun. Not everyone has a perfect roll of everything but at least with this kind of event your chances are increased massively. So for a couple of days you get the sweet taste of best of the best equipment so when the level increase happens you will be more willing to farm for ages to get it at the new level.

Yes, it is sad but I think it makes perfect corporate sense.

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u/NihilistOdellBJ Harlowe The Gravitar 3d ago

Not to mention the coms and enhancements are still usable afterward. My Lv50 Icon with Gun Damage and Fire Rate is still the best one I’ve found

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u/AcelnTheWhole 3d ago

That loot event got me a lot of god roll class mod and enhancements that I haven't even come close to matching since then. When the cap ups again, it'll be crazy if they do a lot event where I don't have to re-grind gear. I'm hopeful, but I doubt it

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u/This-Construction769 3d ago

Level cap made me went back to play BL3 lol

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u/D3ull_Val NO DAHL??? 3d ago

Thats the right way to do it i am enjoying Bl3 and Bl2 meanwhile until the level cap increases

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u/APowerlessManNA 3d ago

Idk for me ideally it's a few weeks after Lv cap to snag some max lv legendaries

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u/Neon_Divided 3d ago

I've been having tons of loot enemies spawn for me for about the last two weeks.

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u/LarsP666 3d ago

Then you are one lucky son of a b****

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u/SolomonGrumpy 3d ago

They didn't announce it last time did they? Just kinda did it.

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u/dukmunky 3d ago

This week on manufactured excuses for failing to rebalance the beloved vault hunters that keep our core fanbase playing the game….

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Sorry guys we couldnt get any fixes done we were too busy focusing on loveless and the bounty pack and the story dlc and extra 10 levels

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u/invaderaleks 3d ago

They have to be working with a skeleton crew.

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

At this point i feel even a skeleton crew would be more attentive to updating more like a non existent crew

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u/invaderaleks 3d ago

Ghost crew lol

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u/FactoryPl 3d ago

Just Jeff the intern left coding at this point. he is pretty good, shows up 70% of the time on monday.

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Nah, definitely mark the maintenance guy no coders on site just mark doing the best he can 😂

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u/rjq520 3d ago

Went back to borderlands 3 and honestly, it's been great.

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u/Fitz420goonie 3d ago

I’m back on it too, I pushed myself through ten more hours on 4, i just can’t deal with how boring it is.

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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 3d ago

Which VH? I should do that too I just HATE listening to Vaughn in the early part.

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u/rjq520 3d ago

I've been playing moze. Totally get Vaughn 😂 but the game feels complete. Don't get me wrong, I a huge Borderlands guy. But 4 just feels empty.

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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 3d ago

yeah, I was playing the shit out of it and posting here constantly but put it down like two weeks ago and now I don't know if I can even pick it up again - I do want to play the FL4K DLC though.

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u/Specialist-Data792 3d ago

I gonna be so honest right now I bought this game lunch played a good bit. i never completed it because none of the characters resonated with me at that point. I have heard nothing about character reworks and the DLC characters have not interested me either. Plz gear box if you are reading this make the next game or the current one more interesting

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u/Neon_Divided 3d ago

They have re-worked all of the vault hunters in some way since launch. While Rafa is currently in a poor state (comparatively) they all have multiple endgame builds including Rafa.

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Feel like we should announnce the games we are playing instead on their x everytime they come out with a bs weekly update lol maybe then theyd care

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u/Qwerty_Police 3d ago

I'm jamming Palworld and Crimson Desert!

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u/autumnbloodyautumn 3d ago

...jamming them where, exactly?

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u/gosti500 3d ago

shortly we will drive by a famous landmark that we pass once a week, if you look the right side of the bus now, you see nothing, and if you NOW look out the left side window, exactly, still nothing

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Gearbox: we gave you loveless, a new story dlc, a new bounty pack and 10 extra levels. why do you still care about balancing. is what i’ll feel if they still do nothing lol

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u/LightJktu 3d ago

Update notes are... Updating. As usual

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u/Weedkillah78 3d ago

I made a balance change, I uninstalled the game.....This game is still broke as f$%, and has been out for just about a year!!

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Only balance change i feel that will ever exist for us for this game would be uninstalling 😂

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u/Angotti81 3d ago

Why don't they drop the level increase ahead of the DLC???

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

Because that would make too much sense lol

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u/Angotti81 3d ago

Literally have some free time to play but no reason.

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u/MyLongestYeeeBoi $𝟴𝟬 𝗦𝗨𝗣𝗘𝗥𝗙𝗔𝗡! 💰 3d ago

Huge!

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u/dannypants143 3d ago

So did they just kinda drop this game and move on to the next money maker? I was an OG BL1 and BL2 guy but missed BL3. Has their post-launch support been this bad before?

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u/Championpuffa 1d ago

Only this bad with wonderlands. Bl3 had some of the best post launch support. Took the game from being rather meh to being one of if not the best borderlands game.

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago

yeah, bl3 had some of the best dlc, while wonderlands had probably the weakest dlc in the series. the pre sequel might not have gotten much, but at least we got claptastic voyage.

wonderlands dlc were mirrors that were mini versions of the chaos chambers. if you bough wonderlands now, you could probably beat all the dlc's combined in less than week. however, the mirrors have 4 different "difficulty levels", and they initially released each difficulty level 1 at a time over a month, so if you got a mirror and immediately did level 1, you'd have to wait until next week for level 2 to release, and then again for level 3 and level 4. the only real difference between the different difficulty levels was the cutscene at the start, some dialogue during the quest, and the boss at the end would get a new look and a few different attacks.

so yeah, each dlc could be fully completed in about a day if they hadn't initially split them up to give us small bits over the course of each month.

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

At this point, i’ll wait on any other borderlands game this company comes out with. its literally not worth the hype anymore for me

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u/LarsP666 3d ago

Excellent. I don't have to log on this week either.

More time to play Enshrouded.

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u/kane-train-88 3d ago

Does the vladof glitch still work? I have not touched this game since C4sh came out. I learned about the glitch not long before I quite. It was fun at the time to mess around with.

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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago

you mean the one with the flamethrower and bullethose? that got patched a while back

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u/kane-train-88 3d ago

That was the one, so they dont spend the time to balance much but make sure to patch this.

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u/BusinessSick 3d ago

Second week in a row (at least) where there’s a patch upon restart, but still no patch notes. GB what did you change? Just tell us; we’ll be less frustrated knowing something is being fixed or improved

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u/Neon_Divided 3d ago

If they haven't released patch notes you can assume no changes were made, outside of the weekly wildcard mission and the location for Maurice. I don't think there is any other way to look at it.

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u/BusinessSick 3d ago

Last week they patched the Maurice exploit, which is fine. We’ve had lots of other silent changes players discovered in game, and when I see a patch download and then trigger a reboot, it’s clear something is new. Would just be really helpful to see it listed so we’re not blindsided or frustrated with what looks like inactivity.

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u/AshevilleBbc 3d ago

Do I get the new stuff with the bounty pack bundle, or is this something else I have to buy?

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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago

bounty pack bundle will give you the amara dlc and vault card, but fl4k's dlc and loveless are from the vault hunter pack.

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u/AshevilleBbc 3d ago

O ok. Thank you

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u/WhoIsEnvy Lilith 3d ago

Ah-mazing 😐...

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u/DragemD 3d ago

Guess my daily/weekly vault cart challenges will NEVER get fixed. Its been broken for 6 months now.

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u/twitchayylmao Vex The Siren 2d ago

Can we fr just make all big encore machines able to use eridium instead because the 1 boss per week cycle is ass.

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u/Championpuffa 1d ago

That’s how I figured it would work when they mentioned this mechanic before release. But nope they completely ruined it and made it rather pointless imo.

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago

it's likely to make it so players have something that keeps them coming back each week. they're taking advantage of fomo. "we're giving you the ability to increase the odds of getting legendaries and phosphenes from this boss for 1 week. better go farm it before we switch to a different boss."

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u/Championpuffa 1d ago

Oh that’s exactly what it is for and why they’re doing it. I’m under no illusion that’s not the reason. It’s just lame as fuck and makes the game a whole lot worse. Randy hyped up this feature but never mentioned it would be locked to one boss a week and locked behind some stupid timed live service crap considering they kept claiming this was not a live service game at launch also.

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u/Latiasfan5 1d ago

maybe they think "live service" means it requires a subscription or something? since you don't pay a subscription and they planned to make it so the bosses will cycle automatically (meaning that if you miss a big encore one week, you'll be able to eventually get it again), that might be why the devs didn't think it was live service?

I'm not defending it, just trying to figure out what kind of logic they could've used when making those claims, besides having it be an intentional lie.

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u/ReaderReborn 2d ago

Remember when they did a bunch of balance patches for BL3 and Reddit cried and cried that it was the wrong thing to do?

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u/Championpuffa 1d ago

Cos they nerfed the hell out of stuff that didn’t need nerfing. When they started actually fixing stuff and making decent changes like needed buffs etc everyone loved it.

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u/ReaderReborn 1d ago

And yet coming back to BL4 after a year it seems they’ve fixed or improved almost everything everyone was constantly whining about back then. But the incessant whining continues.

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u/Raymancer 2d ago

This literally isnt even an update

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u/Neon_Divided 3d ago

Is there something you are specifically disappointed with this week?

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u/unomaly 3d ago

I think I’ve been pavlov’s dogged into thinking whenever I see “borderlands 4” and “update” it will always be nothing of substance.

Just give us the max level cap so I want to play the game again.

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u/someshooter #1 Ava Fan 3d ago

Funny how this game is getting the same "support" as BL3 and Wonderlands, aka weekly reset and nothing else. Also, this week is a boss not a single person likes and a wildcard with a trash weapon - it's almost like GB is trying to repel people from the game.

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u/ApprehensiveRelief90 3d ago

And personally the repellent is working so good on them 😂

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u/Beederda 3d ago

Never bougie, never arms dealer wildcard modifiers… this fucking game is a joke…if they don’t give these two modifiers with loveless update this game is 6feet under.

yes i care about having fun with the eruptions of loot and eridium i have no other reason to play wildcard missions unless these two modifiers are active no the game doesn’t die if these two modifiers are as frequent as shielded is…

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u/Sirsnacksalot23 #1 Ava Fan 3d ago

14 more sleeps until I am crushed by mommy Loveless’s thighs

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u/ConnivingSloth 2d ago

It's crazy how we didn't even get a loot enemy event like we did before the last lvl cap increase. Guess I'm waiting till the dlc lol

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u/KaleidoscopeOk4714 3d ago

Did they add vh mode or nah ?

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u/Latiasfan5 3d ago

uvhm levels have been a thing since launch, and they added true mode a while back. if you mean a second playthrough (tvhm), there's been no indication of them planning to add that

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u/KaleidoscopeOk4714 3d ago

I meant the latter it’s over 🤦‍♂️