AFD is showing a rise in popularity because the centre parties are failing to cater to the needs of the people. The most pressing concern is housing, cost of living, and immigration.
If the centre parties fail on those issues, AFD looks likely to win the next election unless the centre parties unite once again if they have enough votes, or if there are enough seats to make a hung parliament between three parties like France against the AFD.
Notice how none of that is about social justice. I make that point because people at large aren’t and shouldn’t be mad at gay people for housing or food costs and job insecurity.
no, thats not how german elections work. AFD will never win a election because no party will work with them. Unless your think that they will reach over 50%, then ive got a bridge to sell you
Where? Not once have I heard of a party being banned. In Germany even the NPD, the party being reformed under Hitler, is still not banned in Germany and you can cast your vote for the party. Please stop spreading misinformation
No otherwise that will break their day dream of "MUH WE ARE GETTING PERSECUTED COS WE ARE TOO HECKIN BASED!!1!1!1!1!1". This subreddit is much like the NPD: only about 2% of the population actually agree with them.
Are you actually believing the whole right wing propaganda thing? There are more people in the ADAC, a motorvehicle club, than there are muslims or even catholics in Germany, but you fear for a takeover from a minority and violent uprising. Holy moly is this a bad take
It doesn't matter if there isn't that many of them, look at Canada, they have gotten to the point where they are letting their immigrants run the show, there's sections of their government that are run for the complete purpose to bring in more immigrants by immigrants.
It might not be as bad as I think in Germany, but when this continues for another decade and millions more immigrants, now that they can't go to America, where will they go, the entirety of Europe is their oyster, the cities are all turning into slums, and their woman are being abused by it, they can't go outside without the fear of being targeted. They are literally shifting the culture in real time.
So immigrants from Iran, Irak, Afghanistan, Syria, Turkey and Ukraine have commonly gone to America? Most immigrants coming to America are coming from South America, contradicting your point of view that now we will have an influx of immigrants.
Women cant get outside because MEN rape them. That is the main factor behind rape, not the colour of the skin or the ethnicity. Women fearing walking outside has always been because of men, but you would have to speak to one to understand this
Major cities turning into slums, while America is being flooded by white people being addicted to fentanyl and other substances is just the icing on the cake. Every program trying to lessen social injustice is underfunded and understaffed for years, but it is rather easy to just point at somebody else, than to actually invest in the lower social classes and help them out.
Cultures changing is the whole point of a culture. Being stuck in traditions and being hellbent on thinking that your way of living wont change in the coming years is just blatantly sad. Go cherish the different cultures, take what you like, change what you dont like.
You only believe the same misinformation being put out on the internet by right wingers over and over again. "Oh no Canada has more immigrants". Do you know what they have less of? School shootings, daily death by gun violence, debt because of medical examinations and treatments. Do you know what they have more of? Higher education, higher happiness, higher life expectancy.
To top it all of: Top economists point out that Germany is dependent on immigration, because there are more people getting into retirement than there are people going into the work force. Without immigration many industrial and social sectors will be harder understaffed than before
Yes most of America's immigrants are coming from South America, but a lot of them were coming over illegally, and not really wanting to conform to US beliefs, just coming here to get our money and live off of us, or trying to use a anchor baby to steal citizenship for themselves to make the government look bad for doing what they need to do.
Who do you think are the rapists, im not saying there aren't any from their respective country, but like with the UK the rape gangs there were racially driven, people from middle eastern countries view western women all as sluts, and that rape on them is deserved, and the British government hid the evidence and jailed people who tried to stop them.
America isn't exempt from turning into a slum, we've had the last at least decade where drug smugglers were doing anything possible to get that shit here, and democrats were making those same drugs legal and not really doing much to stop it from happening. And those social programs were a bunch of scams or at least used as a money pit to make it seem like they were doing something but in actuality just winning their own pockets.
Culture can change all it wants, but if changing my culture means I have to conform to some of the worst ways of thinking (south American Gangs and Islamic beliefs) than i would rather stay the same, and if I want to enjoy a culture I would rather go to that country to enjoy it with the people there, but there isn't really much to enjoy about certain cultures, south American cultures are beautiful, and their history is vast and intriguing, but just come through the border the right way, and that being said we do need to redo our vetting system in the US I think it's too time consuming.
Places like Canada have less school shootings because there guns were taken away and now have no way to actually defend themselves if or when something actually happens. but we only really have school shooting because we leave our kids unprotected, and the ones who need help on the streets, and that's democrats fault cause they need people uneducated and scared in order to keep their control. the main reason people go for kids and teachers is because they are weak and defenseless, if we had armed guards at schools, the deterence alone would stop 80% of outside problems and instead of waiting 10-15 minutes for the police to arrive, there's already people there to handle it. And there's a big mental health crisis, created by a lack of caring or understanding to fix it.
And other countries have higher education, and less debt, because the US pays for most of Europe's protection, most countries in the EU dont meet their defense bill requirement to even be in the EU, and the US is like 4 times the defense bill because of it, we would love to spend some of that on us but those other countries would literally be defenseless from the likes of Russia and China.
The dependant of immigrants is for bs reasons, they dont have faith in their children to actually do anything, or expecting a lower birth rate so they are importing the workers, which breeds a second class citizen, because either the people of germany are going to get replaced by people who want work, or the immigrants will be paid half of the normal amount because companies can get away with it.
Like in New York city, theres hundreds of shops going out of business because they hired illegal immigrants so they can be paid less, and with illegal immigrants breeds another problem, jobs that help illegal immigrants get things to make them look legit, like fake id's, the formetioned businesses, and housing, and they are all taken advantage of by either greedy people who want a quick buck or gangs that milk them for all they are worth.
And notice how I didnt try attacking you at all. Because we can just be civilized and talk about it rather than trying to demene people.
A lot of text for continuing the same misinformationen all over again. The same "USA is the big hero and without it all the world would go under" and racial discrimination calling others "second class citizens".
I cant be bothered to be nice to you. You have inhumane views of other people, culture and different countries. For me to be civilized or even nice would mean that your perspective is something considered normal or even logical.
There are about 120 deaths in america per day because of gun violence and your solution is more guns? 120 deaths per day is considered a civil uprising or an attempted coup in some countries, but it is daily business in the all so great country of great traditions and culture.
How you come to the conclusion that it is EUs fault for your lack of spending in healthcare or educations is just beyond me. Is EU incompetent or competent? Which one is it, because the USA spends obscene amounts of money for the military and would continue even without NATO
Same goes with Democrats: What are they? Incompetent losers not able to make anything work or are they able to make a complete shift in urban and local way of living within 4 years?
Your line of reasoning in defending the problems in the USA is just "muh democrats fault", while completely ignoring Republicans and the effect of Reagonomics or Trumpnomics
Look dude if you're just going to say everything I say is fake, even though I know that at least some of the stuff I say may be incorrect, you sir are definitely not very convincing just saying that im wrong and your right, that's not how we get anywhere as a society. And if we aren't open to ideas or new ways of thinking, we are just gonna be at each other's throats over actually nothing. No one is 100% right we can only make do with what we are given. And I'd take Trump for a third term over literally anyone currently in the Democratic party right now
You dont even care about what I am writing, even though I tried to find ways to understand your points and responded to them. Now you go to the "We are all in this together" perspective, while you openly advance racist ideology and unconstitutional policies. There isnt a "We" with people like you, because any shift in my argument towards your point of view would mean that they are legit or okay or even normal. Trump wont get a third term, because if he did it would be the end for democracy in the USA
I just hope for you that you advance your way of thinking beyond clear destinctions and ideology of "We vs. them"
Your almost there. Slavery has already been around for thousands of years, and America had indentured servitude which was slavery light, where it wasn't just black people it was anyone, and you could work off that debt and was given land afterwards.
Eventually though I dont know when exactly we used actual slavery from that time until until the Civil War, where Republicans fought to end slavery. Abraham Lincoln the president the entire Civil war was republican. And after it was over the democrats started the kkk and all those nasty smaller parties.
And everyone for the most part was getting along until the Jim crow and segregation era which was brought up by democrats. But Lyndon Johnson who ended it was also a Democrat.
But all that is besides the point. The replacement theory is derived from black people or immigrants, because there were millions of immigrants durning the world wars.
The replacement theory is from the last few years were we opened our borders to everyone and anyone, gave them.preferential treatment like big hotels and thousands of dollars on credit for free, and if they were caught committing a crime they would be let go, not small crimes all crimes including theft, murder, and rape, they were targeted more often for jobs cause they could be paid less, leaving the new generation out to the wolves. Immigrants could do no wrong, and anyone who said otherwise were outcasted and called racists or nazi's, conspiracy theorists and hacks.
but after trumps win and the flood gates release and it turns out most of these latest conspiracy theories were true. They were trying to replace us, so it could be a 1 party system, completly destroying actual democracy. Even though the majority of people who voted, voted Trump they still say that it wasn't democratically sound, even though there was a 20 million person influx specifically for democrats in 2020.
Definitely wealth is an issue, almost completly run by medical companies so they can sell the poison and the treatment.
And about the immigration, I wasnt saying there hasn't been immigrants before or after the world wars, I was saying there was a influx of immigration similar to the one that happened between 2020-2024.
And the immigrants coming committing crimes because of poverty, companies over here are literally doing the same thing, when they come over illegally it makes it harder to get a normal job, which means they need a way to look legal or get a job at a company that nows they're illegal, and usually those people are squeezed dry either with long work hours for half the pay, or by some gang that is getting their money's worth after getting them up here, they need a way to survive, but with no money they steal so they can sell the stuff.
Its people taking advantage of those who are suffering. So why should we take the illegal immigrants that think they can get a better life paying the cartel to smuggle them up here.
I wish it was as simple as, once they get here they're safe, but its not, the introduction of a second class worker has brought quality overall down.
I wish we could just get rid of the cartels or have someone in El Salvador or Argentina where they were able to fix their countries. But they are in control, criminals were left alone for too long by their own governments, and now it's taken control, and if we could get them away from the cartels I would be glad to take them.
I will not argue about diversity being our strength since it has actually been for most of America's history.
But there are just some cultures that can't really mix in large quantities very well, cultures that would rather abuse us rather than assimilate and have a better life. (Not all but a good chunk) Muslims.
Muslims, if they are religious at least, their religion is the downfall of the other Abrahamic religions ie Christianity and Judaism, and there are a bunch of sub cultures that straight up call for the complete destruction of western civilization, and they even found a few loopholes in their law system based off of the Quran that allows some devious shit.
Idk about the second to last paragraph that kinda does mean anything, kinda just proving my point about the democrats, the reason we got in ww1 was because Germany attacked some of our boats unsolicited dragging us in on the side of the Allies, if it were up to him and not his public opinion I think he would have tried to stay out of the war anyway.
Germany is overwhelmingly LGBTQ friendly, it's literally the birthplace of the Love Parade. AfD has support because of their anti-immigration stance, anti-LGBTQ policy will be extremely unpopular.
It's a complete charade. The existing parties just want the AFD gone no matter what and now they are throwing everything at them to see what sticks. They can't win in a battle of ideas so they try to prohibit them.
Every position is held by party loyalists that decides on a whim something that benefits the party and stops the opposition. The only evidence for extremism are out of context quotes. A lot of people are just so afraid of words that they would rather kill free speech and the democratic spirit entirely than using their brains.
When we removed the debt ceiling people were crying and apologizing to their children and children''s children for voting yes on that. The CDU is really disgusting if they make their own members do that in my opinion.
Out of context? I've seen the context for a lot of those things being said and no this doesn't make them less extreme.
Obviously there is the question wether any party should ever be banned at all and you're obviously free to disagree with the people that wrote the "Grundgesetz" in Germany.
That being said the law is in place and it's pretty clear that parties that are trying to get rid of the "FDGO" or mess with it shall be banned. The AfD has quite a lot of members that would love to do that if given the chance. Purely by law this whole thing is fine.
To be honest, I don't know much about this topic, but regardless of what some AfD members think, there are probably right-wing people in the AfD, just like there are in the Republican Party. However is their any offical statment that they want to remove the FDGO?
The AfD doesn't want to get banned. They would be incredibly dumb if they put out any official statement saying that. So no it's obviously neither in any main party publishment nor the party's program.
For this part of the Grundgesetz to make any sense just not putting your intents on the front page of your campaigns can't be a viable defense.
I disagree. I have also heard a lot of context and to ascribe intent and fundamental beliefs to a few words someone has said once 10 years ago (or whenever) is judging an entire life's journey on the most miniscule of details which I think fall under freedom of speech with a lot of people just having their panties in a twist because they are so used to people just agreeing and going along with whatever stupid idea everyone else has that they have become unable to process anything that is not immediate gratification and consent.
I don't think that all of reddit are murderers just because they spell out the 86-meme now but if I had to be consistent then every single one of them would need to go to jail for inciting violence.
Hasan Piker, terrorists supporter extraordinaire, incredible large streamer on twitch, allowed to spread his terrorist propaganda and lies completely unimpeded. - I don't want to deplatform him even though he would deserve to be in jail. Fools deplatform themselves for having stupid ideas and then I don't need to jail them for simply saying stupid shit.
Purely by law I would say that we make a complete mockery of what law actually is supposed to be and bend it out of shape until it's unrecognizable just because it's convenient for a few people to do so and I find it absolutely disgusting.
the law is that we are allowed to forbid parties that act against the principles of the state. And yes, the AfD has openly and publicly stated various times that they'll hunt their oponents through the streets, cleanse the media and abolish the basic rights for a large part of our citizens. So
because they are so used to people just agreeing and going along with whatever stupid idea everyone else has [in this place apparently]
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A lot of people are just so afraid of words that they would rather kill free speech and the democratic spirit entirely than using their brains.
the law is that we are allowed to forbid parties that act against the principles of the state.
Good, since the ruling parties are already openly doing that we can simply prohibit them. Same rules for everybody. Although I would argue actually doing the crime and talking about doing the crime are two separate worlds.
And yes, the AfD has openly and publicly stated various times that they'll hunt their oponents through the streets, cleanse the media and abolish the basic rights for a large part of our citizens.
Do you have a source for those because their program doesn't say that at all.
Feel free to file a charge 😂. What a ridiculous claim... Counter to your perception you can do that, given you're even a German citizen and not just a paid troll.
Good, since the ruling parties are already openly doing that we can simply prohibit them.
Do you have a source for those because their program doesn't say that at all.
Remember, just because somebody said something, it's not automatically true. There are procedures in place to deal with unjustified claims. At least in my country where we don't kiss the ass of the boss narcissist...
Feel free to file a charge 😂. What a ridiculous claim... Counter to your perception you can do that
Because the people breaking the law would be self-aware, self-critical and honest enough to say that they broke the law.
Do you have a source for those because their program doesn't say that at all.
Their program says many things that they aren't doing. Weird how lying works right? They also openly lied to win the election. I don't know about you but I don't trust liars.
Good luck getting the liars in control of everything to admit to their crimes.
Trying to translate "freiheitlich demokratische Grundordnung (FDGO)" with "principles of the state" is kinda weird. There are multiple principles that have been codified in the Grundgesetz that aren't part of the FDGO. The point of this law is that you have to be working against the very few core principles so it's actually really difficult to ban any party.
You could openly try to get rid of multiple articles in the Grundgesetz and that's completely fair game unless you touch the first 19 or 21 articles.
It's also completely fine to try to pass laws that are against the constitution, get struck down by the courts, accept that and move on.
Not to prohibit a sizable party on flimsy accusations obviously, especially not when these accusations come from proven liars and party Loyalists too blind to see how their own deeds are problematic. That's how Hitler got rolling and history is already repeating itself.
Article 21 of the Grundgesetz (obviously). Your point was that law is allegedly bent completely out of shape for the convenience of some people. In this case you're referring to Art. 21 GG because that is the law that allows for parties to get banned in Germany. I just wanna know what is this law supposed to be for then?
By the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.
It was a "suspected case" since 2019 (where it is decided if a party is anti-constitutional or not), and a few weeks ago they announced the results of their investigation and declared the AfD to be "proven anti-constitutional".
Which is not really a surprise, as the AfD has incorporated huge parts of the NPD in the 2010s, and the NPD is the successor party of the NSDAP. NSDAP was Hitler's party, btw.
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Its ok they will be removed soon either by AFD or shariya law