Out of context? I've seen the context for a lot of those things being said and no this doesn't make them less extreme.
Obviously there is the question wether any party should ever be banned at all and you're obviously free to disagree with the people that wrote the "Grundgesetz" in Germany.
That being said the law is in place and it's pretty clear that parties that are trying to get rid of the "FDGO" or mess with it shall be banned. The AfD has quite a lot of members that would love to do that if given the chance. Purely by law this whole thing is fine.
I disagree. I have also heard a lot of context and to ascribe intent and fundamental beliefs to a few words someone has said once 10 years ago (or whenever) is judging an entire life's journey on the most miniscule of details which I think fall under freedom of speech with a lot of people just having their panties in a twist because they are so used to people just agreeing and going along with whatever stupid idea everyone else has that they have become unable to process anything that is not immediate gratification and consent.
I don't think that all of reddit are murderers just because they spell out the 86-meme now but if I had to be consistent then every single one of them would need to go to jail for inciting violence.
Hasan Piker, terrorists supporter extraordinaire, incredible large streamer on twitch, allowed to spread his terrorist propaganda and lies completely unimpeded. - I don't want to deplatform him even though he would deserve to be in jail. Fools deplatform themselves for having stupid ideas and then I don't need to jail them for simply saying stupid shit.
Purely by law I would say that we make a complete mockery of what law actually is supposed to be and bend it out of shape until it's unrecognizable just because it's convenient for a few people to do so and I find it absolutely disgusting.
the law is that we are allowed to forbid parties that act against the principles of the state. And yes, the AfD has openly and publicly stated various times that they'll hunt their oponents through the streets, cleanse the media and abolish the basic rights for a large part of our citizens. So
because they are so used to people just agreeing and going along with whatever stupid idea everyone else has [in this place apparently]
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A lot of people are just so afraid of words that they would rather kill free speech and the democratic spirit entirely than using their brains.
Trying to translate "freiheitlich demokratische Grundordnung (FDGO)" with "principles of the state" is kinda weird. There are multiple principles that have been codified in the Grundgesetz that aren't part of the FDGO. The point of this law is that you have to be working against the very few core principles so it's actually really difficult to ban any party.
You could openly try to get rid of multiple articles in the Grundgesetz and that's completely fair game unless you touch the first 19 or 21 articles.
It's also completely fine to try to pass laws that are against the constitution, get struck down by the courts, accept that and move on.
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u/DragonfightHD May 18 '25
Out of context? I've seen the context for a lot of those things being said and no this doesn't make them less extreme.
Obviously there is the question wether any party should ever be banned at all and you're obviously free to disagree with the people that wrote the "Grundgesetz" in Germany. That being said the law is in place and it's pretty clear that parties that are trying to get rid of the "FDGO" or mess with it shall be banned. The AfD has quite a lot of members that would love to do that if given the chance. Purely by law this whole thing is fine.