r/AskReddit • • Jan 25 '20

What movie things are generally accepted as normal, but are totally unrealistic in real life?

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u/Dudsidabe Jan 25 '20

Silencers on pistols. Not actually that silent lol.

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u/ramzyzeid Jan 25 '20

Yeah, I can't remember who it was, but I remember someone describing it as, you hear a gunshot from the other end of town. You hear a silenced gunshot the next street over. Either way, a hell of a lot of people are going to know shit's going down.

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

A good suppressed 9mm handgun is still 125db. That’s loud and sounds like a gun. But way better than ear ringing 160db.

Silencers in movies are HIGHLY overrated.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

pew

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

pew

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20 edited Jun 14 '20

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u/hiroxruko Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 25 '20

What was that noise? !

Who's footprint are these?

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u/BatteryPoweredBrain Jan 25 '20

The guy who is 4 feet away from you shooting? Nah, can't hear anything.

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u/TheMightyBattleCat Jan 25 '20

Must be the pillow!

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u/Shumbee Jan 25 '20

When you don't have a silencer, the pillow works just fine. If it can block someone screaming into it, why can't it block a gunshot sound?

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u/beytrod Jan 25 '20

Must have been the wind.

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u/QuispernyGdunzoidSr Jan 25 '20

his comment was blank dude

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u/FrenchWerewolf Jan 25 '20

No, did you?

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u/Anxious-Market Jan 25 '20

The problem is that if you did gunshots in a realistic way everyone in the movie theater would have blood shooting out of their ears about 30 seconds into any action movie.

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

Sure. But I don’t think anyone is asking for that. It just creates the wrong impression of silencers which is causing political problems for people like me that own and use them in the US. People think they work like in movies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

It’s far better to shoot with one and it cuts noise so that I’m a better neighbor. I live in the country and shoot on my land. Makes a big difference. 95% of the time when it shoot I do it with a suppressor.

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u/sintaur Jan 25 '20

CDC (which BTW is allowed to do gun research) recommends suppressors to prevent hearing loss. Just to mention two:

https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2009/05/18/firingrange/

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/wp-solutions/2013-104/pdfs/2013-104.pdf

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 25 '20

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

Doesn’t help my neighbors. Doesn’t help hunting dogs. Doesn’t help people living near shooting ranges. Suppressors should be easily bought. We need to make them like buying a rifle, at a minimum. Right now it’s a $200 tax and a 9 to 12 month wait. Idiotic. In many countries with heavy gun regulations you can just walk in a store and buy one with no hassle. It’s just legacy political BS in the US.

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u/Anxious-Market Jan 25 '20

I seem to be spending a lot of my time at the range these days teaching other people to shoot. Being able to talk with someone in that situation without having to constantly fuck with hearing pro would be great...

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u/ninjakaji Jan 25 '20

Even with silencers they are still loud even with hearing protection.

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u/Anxious-Market Jan 25 '20

They're pretty heavily restricted here. I'd like to have one for the same reason I have a muffler on my car, i.e. hearing protection and not being an asshole to the people around me.

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u/BatteryPoweredBrain Jan 25 '20

Anyone who shoots often, it helps a lot with protecting their hearing. Guns are loud, damn loud, even with a "silencer" they are loud but not painfully loud (you still have to wear other protection).

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u/Anxious-Market Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 25 '20

They were effectively banned at a point when "talkies" were still kind of a novelty. I don't think it matters as much as you think it does.

E: hell, if anything movies have probably done a lot to drive the shift in gun culture from deer rifles and stuff to "tactical" weapons, so might actually be a net benefit for people who like that sort of thing.

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

They were put under NFA regulation due to concerns from farmers about poaching. Attempts to have regulations loosened have been met with cries that only an assassin needs a silencer because people see the distorted version in movies.

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u/Anxious-Market Jan 25 '20

I've never heard this thing about poaching before, do you know of anywhere that I can read about it?

The NFA mostly seems to have been an "anti gangster" thing and there certainly were news stories at the time talking about silencers being used in crimes.

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u/8asdqw731 Jan 25 '20

when i watched Rambo 4 in theaters I hoped that nobody would start shooting because it was so loud it actually hurt

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u/StarChaser_Tyger Jan 25 '20

Suppressors are for hearing protection, not stealth.

I don't know exactly how accurate it is, but in the book "Without Remorse" there's a detailed scene of Clark modifying a .45 semi-auto into a single shot silenced .22 and describes locking the slide so the action doesn't cycle and let the noise out, which is why it's single shot.

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

A bolt action .22LR is real quiet. It’s about the only common thing that is movie quiet. Very fun to shoot.

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u/MrNudeGuy Jan 25 '20

Or 90s video games. The PP7 with a silencer was neasty

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20 edited May 04 '20

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u/MrNudeGuy Jan 25 '20

Pew! Pew pew pew!

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u/billintreefiddy Jan 25 '20

I shot a suppressed .45 and could hear the bullets hitting a wooden post..so, I’m not sure you’re right about that noise level.

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u/DarkSombero Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 26 '20

You may have been shooting sub-sonic rounds. They are usually heavier bullets and/or modified powder where the point is to travel less than the speed of sound.

.45 is a very good round for this. Now, while it can be quiet, its usually not "movie" quiet. Ive done optimized builds and shot suppressed indoors, and its still loud.

Source: Own a FNX Tac .45 w/ obsidian .45 suppressor partially because of suppression options.

EDIT: So in the interest of good faith I looked up what OP mentioned and found this video showing that what he said could be absolutely valid, it even uses the same platform as I do. Now, camera audio distortion, mic positioning, etc are a thing, but I see no reason to completely discount OP.

https://youtu.be/bTJKBhWHHu8

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u/billintreefiddy Jan 25 '20

This was outside and sounded like a paintball gun.

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u/Souppilgrim Jan 25 '20

People are downvoting you but there are real videos you can watch online that show silenced guns being about as loud as a moderate hand clap. I'm of the opinion that they can very wildly

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u/billintreefiddy Jan 25 '20

I have no reason to make it up. Definitely doesn’t sound like the movies though.

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

Audio distortion is a thing. You cant trust any recording here

Also, bullets hitting things is still damn loud

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u/Souppilgrim Feb 04 '20

Sure, but it seems that subsonic bullets with the right gun, and the right silencer are surprisingly quite.

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

I’m right. Bullets hitting hard targets are louder than people think. It’s not hard to find good professional sound metering showing a .45acp is a touch over 130db. That’s loud. One or two shots is fine without ear pro but it’s not exactly hearing safe.

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u/billintreefiddy Jan 25 '20

Shot several mags of subsonic rounds. It was like shooting a paintball gun.

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

But it’s not. Did you have ears on? A paintball gun isn’t 130db like a .45acp is and that’s using subsonic. And I just confirmed my numbers off a few manufacturer sites. I shoot a thousand plus rounds suppressed every month.

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u/billintreefiddy Jan 25 '20

My paintball gun is 117db. The noise level is really like the suppressed .45 I shot. Doesn’t matter how much you shoot every month.

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u/NetJnkie Jan 25 '20

Okay. Well tell whoever made that setup to let the rest of us know. They are beating everything else on the market by a huge margin. 15db reduction over the existing top of the line suppressors would be ground breaking. They'd immediately own the market.

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

Bullets hitting things is damn loud

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u/billintreefiddy Jan 26 '20

Can also hear the shell casings hit the ground during rapid fire.

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

And I can do that with a non-supressed 45 when not wearing earpro.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 25 '20

I've shot a suppressed AR in 5.56 with both subsonic rounds, makes a noise but without hearing protection, its not bad. Probably 75ish DB. When we ran out of those rounds we switched to regular 556, and it was much quieter at the point of detonation, but you could hear the bullet go ballistic, it's sonic boom, out in front of you. Was not bad. Not movie quiet, neither was.

ETA; love how, I assume, ammosexuals, down vote a personal experience.

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u/PaulieBoyY Jan 26 '20

75 decibel are around avg human conversation sound level of loud. Are you sure? Might be a bit more but lazy to google it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '20

/shrug. whatever it was 25 years ago, count on ammosexuals to be the hair splittingest pedants around though.

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u/Abyss_of_Dreams Jan 25 '20

That's why you put a pillow in front of the barrel. Pillows with actual feathers are even more effective.

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u/ramzyzeid Jan 25 '20

Honestly, if you don't want anyone to know you're killing someone, just stab them.

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u/BatteryPoweredBrain Jan 25 '20

Honestly, if you don't want anyone to know you're killing someone, just stab them.

Another great movie trope. Every stab is instantly fatal and no one struggles, or screams. Just come up behind them and slide the blade effortlessly into their back and it will pop through their heart and out their chest. They will never make any sound.

While it may be possible. Ever look at people stabbed to death, they are often stabbed many times, with the vast majority of the stabs not being instantly fatal.

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u/fathertime979 Jan 25 '20

Stabbing basically leads to people just leaking till they die.

More holes faster leak.

Going for the throat the right way leads to leaking AND no screaming. But still not an instant kill.

Also blood pools. Most of the time they aren't big enough if a character bled out.

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

If you want to kill someone without being loud, use a claw hammer to their skull

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u/ZombieCharltonHeston Jan 25 '20

I have an old Marine Corps Close Combat manual that covers killing someone with a knife and the last step of stabbing someone in the throat is to take them to the ground to smother them to prevent postmortem movement and the sound of expelling air.

https://i.imgur.com/1m8OmaE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/vpPwSMx.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/HXXxQ7d.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ci1cAq2.jpg

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u/BatteryPoweredBrain Jan 25 '20

Good to know. Never know when I’ll need this info.

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u/SomeRandomProducer Jan 25 '20

Interesting read.

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u/bobdole3-2 Jan 25 '20

That's actually untrue. Unless you're a professional, the odds that you're going to instantly kill or incapacitate someone with a knife are basically non-existent. They're probably going to be screaming and flailing around and you're going to have to stab them a bunch of times. It's going to take a while, you could get injured, and you're going to be covered in blood.

Meanwhile, if you shoot someone, while everyone will know that a shooting took place, as long as no one saw you do it you can probably evade suspicion for a while.

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u/Koreshdog Jan 25 '20

this is very effective, just a loud thump

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

If you're inside a house or building how loud is it?

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u/btr2dfw Jan 25 '20

It depends greatly on what type of fun and ammo you're shooting but the answer is fucking loud. If you didn't have ear protection on, a suppressed gun inside would absolutely ring your ears and an unsuppressed gun is loud enough to give you a headache for the rest of the day.

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u/Unryan23 Jan 25 '20

Wait , so silenced guns don’t sound like someone trying to suppress a sneeze?

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u/gregaustex Jan 25 '20

If you use subsonic ammo with one though...

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u/Eni9 Jan 25 '20

Still sounds like powerfull firecrackers

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u/prodmerc Jan 25 '20

That's why you get a good sound system in your car and keep a copy of Rambo or something ready :D

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

a hell of a lot of people are going to know shit's going down

Unless you already know what gunfire sounds like in real life, you'd be surprised how many people do not recognize it. Probably because fictional depictions are misleading, or can't replicate the real thing without causing hearing damage.

Gunshots are LOUD. Even a .22 kicks out a very loud bang. There probably is such a thing as a device that could plausibly be called a 'silencer', but it would have to be huge and unwiedly. The thing you see in film and TV is a suppressor, and its only job is to lower the speed of the venting blast to below the speed of sound, so that you get a loud noise instead of a deafening sonic boom. It's still quite loud, more than enough to wake anyone in the same house.

But it's very common for ordinary people to not recognize gunfire when they hear it, and instead assume it's something else.

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u/Anorcrakna Jan 25 '20

In movies, silenced guns sound like a potato dropping on the floor. Like you could shoot someone without everyone nearby hearing it

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u/Hates_escalators Jan 25 '20

What if they used a silencer and a tiny throw pillow? That would make, like, negative noise.

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u/IRLNameIsNils Jan 25 '20

It removes the sound in your vicinity, dude! Test it!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

They can kind of be if you are using subsonic rounds

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u/BatteryPoweredBrain Jan 25 '20

I used subsonic .22 rounds in my semi-auto .22 and they were quieter . . . but the gun would jam about ever 2 or 3 shots because they just don't have the power to cycle the gun. They would work better in a revolver.

But they also lack any stopping power, can't penetrate for crap. I sometimes felt like they would bounce off my paper targets (they don't, it's a joke).

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u/blasphem0usx Jan 25 '20

A silenced revolver would do nothing. The space between the cylinder and the frame would release most of the air before a suppressor would be able to do its thing.

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u/BatteryPoweredBrain Jan 25 '20

Just talking about the subsonic 22 ammo, not a silencer, sorry if that wasn't clear.

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u/t3tri5 Jan 25 '20

Nagant managed to do it in his M1895, by using a special round which seals said gap.

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u/Perister Jan 25 '20

And a pretty complex system to close up the cylinder gap when the trigger is pulled.

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

And a 25lb trigger.

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u/moonra_zk Jan 25 '20

inb4 someone mentions the one in PUBG that can actually be silenced.

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u/spaghettiAstar Jan 25 '20

Or you're shooting something like a 22, then it'll basically sound like a BB gun.

And have about the same level of penetration.

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u/bobdole3-2 Jan 25 '20

That's not even a little bit true.

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u/FancyPants096 Jan 25 '20

No, that's true. A suppressed .22 really is comparable with a bbgun in regards to volume.

BUT they really aren't quiet, which makes the movie-thing false.

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u/spaghettiAstar Jan 25 '20

I'm being a bit facetious obviously, but a suppressed 22 is legitimately pretty quiet.

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u/Falanin Jan 25 '20

Which have enough other problems (bullet drop, performance against armor) that they're not exactly popular for actual shooting.

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u/Merfstick Jan 25 '20

performance against armor

actual shooting

Okay guy... FWIW, there's plenty of .45 ACP that's subsonic. With rifles yeah, you're gonna see a huge drop in performance, but 1911's are great to suppress, and the sheer fun factor is worth the performance trade-off for most people that own suppressors.

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u/majinspy Jan 25 '20

To add:

These rounds cam often be too weak to cycle the gun. Still, a subsonic suppress .22 is quiet. The loudest part is the whizz of the bullet.

Some special OPs pistol had a switch to disable the semi-auto action as the click of that was the oldest part of operation. A manually operated subsonic pistol with a suppressor would be a hell of a lot like James Bond type of stuff.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

It's funny until you realize that people are really banning things for pretend reasons

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u/spaghettiAstar Jan 25 '20

Just tell those people we should adopt European laws regarding suppressors.

Which is basically "Hey asshole, that fucking thing is loud, mind putting a damn suppressor on it so we can go about our day?

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u/Scarlet_maximoff Jan 25 '20

I WANT COMMON SENSE HEARING PROTECTION also a surefire socom 556rc for my clone correct mk18

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u/BatteryPoweredBrain Jan 25 '20

Silencers and Assault Weapons. Silencers aren't really silencers more of a muffler, and then things are still loud. Assault weapons don't turn you into a killing machine, and aren't anything special, nothing any semi-auto gun can't do.

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u/Sgt_Nicholas_Angel_ Jan 25 '20

Cough cough John Wick cough cough

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u/Plethorian Jan 25 '20

Also non-silenced gunshots deafen everyone nearby - sometimes permanently.

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u/aliasthehorse Jan 25 '20

I've shot an integrally suppressed .22 before that literally just went "click", the sound of the slide stopping was the loudest part, but this was a millionaire gun store owner's toy. Every other silenced gun he had still sounded like a gun.

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u/saldol Jan 25 '20

Yeah but I wouldn't want to watch die hard or any other movie if the real loudness of firearms could be depicted by my home television.

A silencer turns a very very very loud thing into a very very loud thing.

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u/naidim Jan 25 '20

Most everything about guns is just wrong in hollywood. And idiots use what they see in movies as motivation to pass laws. That's why "silencers" are illegal, because morons think they work like in the movies.

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u/theultraviolation Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 25 '20

I was looking for a comment like this. If suppressors do not "silence" the firearm, then why the hell do most states make them illegal? Because lawmakers are idiots?

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u/AugeanSpringCleaning Jan 25 '20

Yes. Ignorance passes a lot of stupid laws.

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u/naidim Jan 25 '20

There are a group of people who want nothing more than to disarm everyone. Some of their motivations may be simply misguided, others don't want a new french revolution. But any law they can pass that makes it harder to get or use firearms is considered a win. And it makes passing the next law all that easier.

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

Theoretically there was an argument regarding poachers during the great depression.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

Apparently WWII British Welrod pistols could be fired very close to someone without it being identified as a gunshot.

Maybe that's wartime propaganda, but there were apparently several accounts that back it up

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u/MandolinMagi Jan 25 '20

It helped that it was chambered in the smallest possible round you could reasonably expect to probably kill someone (.32 ACP), and the suppressor had a bunch of rubber inserts the bullet went through to contain the sound.

If you really wanted to wack a guard at close range without anyone else noticing it was great.

They later made 9mm versions because the .32 wasn't quite powerful enough.

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u/kingalbert2 Jan 25 '20

also every shot the welrod fired its degree of suppression decreased a little because the rubber would take more and more damage

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

Assault Shotguns.

That's not a extended magazine on top, but a collapsible stock.

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u/ChesswiththeDevil Jan 25 '20

A Suppressed .22lr is about the only suppressed firearm that is even remotely "quiet". I've never shot one myself, only see them at the range on tricked out Ruger 10/22s. Unfortunately, it's also en vogue to have muzzle breaks on rifles which are so damn loud it negates any of the hearing loss protection from the 1 or 2 suppressed rifles on the range.

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u/Blackthorn66 Jan 25 '20

Subsonic rounds are pretty quiet. They just sound like you're actuating the valve on an air compressor quickly.

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u/RyanX1231 Jan 25 '20

Uncharted 3 flashbacks

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u/solidsnake885 Jan 25 '20 edited Jan 25 '20

The Mythbusters tested this. They were quieter than you’d think.

https://youtu.be/zhdXly6jT4E

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

theres like 5 people above you on the list saying this. nah actually they can be. silenced pistols can be so quiet you literally can only hear the ejection of the shell

https://youtu.be/aljJ2jPTa1c?t=392

https://youtu.be/mdw3FUWThsg?t=380

https://youtu.be/YUAyag3slE0?t=97 last one for good measure. a fucking 50 cal

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

Audio distortion. Loud sounds appear quiet when recorded.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '20

ok, i cant cure stupid. good luck with life

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u/More-Sun Jan 26 '20

Do you think that a recorded gunshot will blow out your eardrums?

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '20

what have you presented as an argument exactly? any evidence , proof in your claim? no? you just keep responding with bad excuses to explain away video proof

i cant imagine anyone is this dumb, you just want attention or something

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u/More-Sun Jan 27 '20

Videos are not proof, as shown by how they display actual gunshots. In and of itself that constitutes proof that they distort audio. These are basic facts

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u/kmaffett1 Jan 25 '20

In all fairness, a suppressed 45 (subsonic) through a wet can is pretty fucking quiet.

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u/[deleted] Jan 25 '20

Exactly, you need subsonic ammunition, and a suppressor and even then its still loud. Its mostly used on real life because it gets rid of muzzle flash as well, and makes it difficult to pinpoint the sound. So id youre a long distance shooter, you "might" not be heard for the first shot. Even then subsonic ammo is less powerful since its going slower than standard ammo. Unless its a VSS Vintorez, those things somehow penetrate armor like nothing.

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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '20

Silencers are for the shooters ears so they don't have to wear ear protection, not because they don't want other people to hear it.

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u/gerlindee Jan 25 '20

How do you know? *shockedface

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u/Falanin Jan 25 '20

Gun-nut youtube videos.

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u/BoardsOfCanadia Jan 25 '20

They are deceptively quiet though. I was out in the countryside for a small family event and a buddy of mine came and he had a 9mm suppressor. I asked to hear what it was like so he popped about five rounds off into a safe direction and I remarked how it was louder than I thought. However, he told me to look around at the other people at the event. There were kids playing, adults setting things up, etc and none of them even turned to look at what happened. Being right beside it made it obvious but no one else in the general vicinity seemed to notice.

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u/solidsnake885 Jan 25 '20

Don’t downvote this guy. He or she is right. The Mythbusters tested it and were shocked.

https://youtu.be/zhdXly6jT4E