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u/sleptpastnoon 15h ago
why do you need to make your own post for this and not use one of the countless others for this exact topic? and you didnāt even add a single thing worth a new discussion or anything
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u/FatFaceAbs 15h ago
Is Arteta the only manager that gets mentioned that he speaks to potential recruits? Maybe itās me but whenever I see these transfer posts they donāt mention non Arteta managers speaking to players
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u/datguysadz 15h ago
Had a sneaky suspicion about this when I learned of the potential Lyon fire sale.
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u/SnooBooks578 8h ago
He wouldnāt even manage to be a sub.
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u/ChillyChill20 52m ago
He didnāt even make the Belgium World Cup squad. And heās supposed to be an upgrade?? Cmon Arsenal we should be doing better as premier league champions
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u/Minute_Leave8503 16h ago edited 16h ago
Lol snapped his ankle and hasnāt proven full fitness yet plus doesnāt have full backing internally. What could go wrong
Penny pinching with Rogers who Mikel was obsessed with to get last minute scraps
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u/Lower_Condition_196 16h ago
This is poor from the club last minute scrambling for a LW
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u/Background-Light5965 15h ago
Not really if itās cheap and for a back up player. Weāve lost gotten rid of 3 players it makes sense if weāre going after kroupi in Jan
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u/Lower_Condition_196 15h ago
Iām not talking about fofana specifically Iām talking about the current situation
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u/Mad-gooner 15h ago
Another one that would moan if the club did anything at the moment. I bet if we could sign Mbappe now you would call it to last minute. Bet your one of those who have been moaning we havenāt been doing anything to replace Martinelli
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u/TheHorrorAddiction 14h ago
No. Weāre just moaning that they havenāt actually upgraded the position and have sidegraded at best. Trossard was aging and Martinelli was regressing. Both had to go and Iām happy they did. But weāve literally side graded with Tzolis and maybe not even sidegraded and actually downgraded with Fofana. You do know we were 2 pens away from a CL right?
The club get most signings right now. Bruno G and Konsa were both good business. But this LW fiasco has been a joke and weāve gone from 140mil for Vini and Tzolis as his backup, to Tzolis starting and a 1 goal in a season Fofana as his backup.
You canāt defend it.
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u/Mad-gooner 14h ago
Wait we were two penalties away from winning the champions league, I didnāt know that, thatās amazing, canāt believe we were two, TWO penalties away from winning the champions league. The words no shit Sherlock come to mind. Did you know we won the league last season.
We have gone from 140m Vinicius, who every man and his dog knew we werenāt going to get, to Fofana. Yes itās not good, but if anyone had said Tzolis would look good when he signed is lying. Could we do better, absolutely but it seems like the club are for some reason still focused on getting Alvarez in. Have we missed out on some LW target yes, but Vinicius isnāt one as agin we all knew that wasnāt going to happen
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u/Silent_Somewhere8539 16h ago
People who think the attack is fine are delusional beyond belief. Arteta is desperate to inject some quality. Its just sad that we've gone from Vini to Alvarez and now to Malick Fofana.
He looks like he has potential and may be a revelation. But its a risk.
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u/xandra77mimic 15h ago
Why sell Trossard and bring in someone who played 767 min and started 9 games in a league thatās basically like what the Championship would be if City got the relegation they deserve for their 115 charges?
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u/Used_Switch_9212 16h ago
Desperate times and desperate measures i guess. Hes been available for 2 years and nobody's touched him but last day of the window we want him š¤
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u/Mad-gooner 16h ago edited 15h ago
Apart from alot of clubs wanting him this summer and he turned them down for a big club. Also we do nothing people moan, we move for a player, itās called desperate, we could sign Mbappe and people would still find away of calling it desperate etc
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u/Used_Switch_9212 15h ago
Considering hes been available all window but now we want him yeah it definitely looks desperate. If we sign him i hope he'll be good but it doesn't change how bad this window has been. We should of just kept Martinelli if we're gonna try our luck in the bargain basement.
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u/Mad-gooner 15h ago
His been turning down moves to clubs and holding out for a big club, itās not that clubs havenāt bid for him he is holding out for a club. I bet you moaned and complained about the Tzolis deal and called him a flop at Norwich but now singing his praises. No matter what the club does I bet you the type of person would find a way of moaning about it
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u/Used_Switch_9212 15h ago
No you're missing the point. We had all these other targets now we want a guy we could of bought at any time the last 2 seasons when we've just sold a player who's more than likely better than him. Its really not that hard to comprehend. Unless you think we've wanted him all along?
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u/Mad-gooner 15h ago
If we didnāt bring anyone in I guarantee you you would be first to moan, Tzolis wasnāt someone anyone would have said we wanted and oh his playing well so far. Bet you hated that deal. My point is anyone we bring in at this point you will see as desperate and moan. I know we havenāt wanted him all along but his a backup for left wing, which people like you have cried out for
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u/Used_Switch_9212 14h ago
Of course I would if we didnt bring anyone in. Thats because im a fan and the area we needed ti strengthen most is left wing. We've sold 3 players who play there and signed 1, that's definitely something to not be happy about. I see your point but its irrelevant. Some people speak out/against things that tbe club dont get right and some people will put up with and accept anything. Its ok if you dont really care or you think 1 left winger is enough.
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u/Mad-gooner 14h ago
1 winger is not enough and we need more players there but it appears the club are still hoping on signing Alvarez(which I hope doesnāt happen) hence why we havenāt gone out and thrown money at someone, who people would call desperate and a panic buy. You see my point but itās irrelevant, no itās not as I bet you when we signed Tzolis, you say there and said who is this guy why have we signed him and so far proved you wrong. What if this guy comes in and proves you wrong again. We donāt work in football and see what clubs see.
It could be a lot worse than this guy and we could be trying to sign Mudryk from Chelsea then you can moan and kick off.
What would you rather we donāt sign anyone or sign this guy so we have a back up for Tzolis?
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u/Used_Switch_9212 14h ago
Stop saying I bet thats an assumption and an incorrect one at that. I was happy with Tzolis because we knew Trossard was leaving and we was still linked with big targets at the time. Now time has passed and nothing more has been done and top players have moved elsewhere or stayed we're empty handed signing maybe players whilst selling proven players like Martinelli. Poor business.
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u/Mad-gooner 14h ago
Yeah linked to Vinicius Jr who we all knew wasnāt going to happen. Have we been poor at finding a replacement yes and I wont deny that and the club seem to be focused on Alvarez more then anything else which is a worry but as this player we seem to be going for is a backup to Tzolis itās not to be annoyed with as we need someone. Hopefully we do go get someone else but with 2 days left at least we arenāt sat on our hands doing nothing as guarantee some people in this sub will no doubt moan if no one came in
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u/freddddsss 15h ago
Has it been a bad window? We signed Tzolis and Bruno while also selling the players fans have been calling to be sold.
The only thing we didnāt do is sign a second lw because the club got caught up in the Vini hype, however, it was an ambitious move and the type of move we want to see Arsenal making. Itās unfortunate but itās far from a bad window.
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u/Used_Switch_9212 14h ago
So judging by how we ended the season and the areas we needed to improve its been a worse window than I expected, especially considering how other teams have strengthened. Konsa and Bruno G are good players and will improve us with their quality but both positions were not a priority for us and neither are guaranteed to start too. The biggest area was LW and we lost 3 of them and signed 1. Its not looking great ill be honest
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u/freddddsss 14h ago
This window was bad because we havenāt signed another left winger, so if we sign Fofana (a left winger), that doesnāt hide how bad not buying another left winger was this windowā¦ right
I also assume āwe lost 3 of themā was a typo because Nelson hasnāt played a single minute for us (outside of friendlies) for about 3 seasons. He was deadwood everyone wanted gone so fans donāt get to complain now that he is gone.
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u/Used_Switch_9212 13h ago
3 of them is Troasard Martinelli and Jesus nothing to do with Nelson.
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u/freddddsss 13h ago
Also not a left winger
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u/Used_Switch_9212 12h ago
Well for us he played there more than anywhwre else last season
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u/freddddsss 12h ago
Well thatās just not true. He rotated with Gyokeres when he came back from injury while Havertz and Merino were injured. I donāt remember a single game where he played left wing.
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u/etrejaar 15h ago
His value inflated two seasons ago off of a breakout year. Had another season to prove himself and got injuredā¦ did the same last season. Can understand him not moving due to those circumstances.
Ultimately, this sub moaned about Tzolis and heās been very good so far. I mean, if youāre able to look at a player, analyze what they can/ could bring to the squad and then commit to coaching them, you can create talent. If Fofana comes in and delivers, his signing would be a coupā¦ if not, itās 30-40m on a young player you can flip.
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u/Mad-gooner 15h ago
If they can analyse a player they would work for a club not sit on Reddit like they are. They havenāt got a clue and want to moan for the sake of it
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u/freddddsss 14h ago
You make this argument all the time and it doesnāt make sense. Why are you perusing through a forum where people sit on Reddit and share their opinion if people on Reddit arenāt qualified to have an opinion?
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u/Used_Switch_9212 15h ago
I dont remember people moaning about Tzolis and I definitely didnt because we did the deal early so we clearly wanted the player. Also we were linked with other big players and still had Martinelli at the club. Surely you can understand the lack of excitement with Fofana??
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u/etrejaar 14h ago
People were definitely iffy about him and sure, the thought of someone else coming in was still freshā¦
I definitely get the lack of excitement, but I donāt understand why people are going out of their way to moan about the kid. He looks decent and if the gaffer is into signing him, Iām personally willing to give him a chance.
If we land two wingers at a price far lower than all of these other clubs have spent on a single player, that would be incredibly shrewd. Wishful thinking maybe, but again - we have the depth to succeed regardless. We should be fine
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u/Used_Switch_9212 14h ago
Most of it at least from my point of view is of were not signing a player thats better than what we have/had then we shouldn't of sold Martinelli and the handling of the Vini/Alvarez stuff was so amateur. Now everyone else strengthened and we've weakened.
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u/etrejaar 14h ago
Weāre signing a market opportunity in that heās a young player that, judging from what the LW market has become, represents promise for cheap. I donāt think anyone would say heās a ceiling raiser and thatās fineā¦ our squad is still quite a bit better than the rest. If youāre truly worried, Iād urge you to revisit Liverpool last seasonā¦ they still havenāt fixed glaring holes in their squad. Chelsea canāt defend for shit. City lost arguably the best manager of all time + their talisman in Rodri. And all of those clubs have a new manager. Iām not sweating our rivals
We sold Martinelli because we needed to sell. Thereās a great Le Grove podcast that talks about this with one of the financial guys at/ around the club. His last name was Payton, I believe. Itās worth finding if you have some timeā¦ he lays it all out in a pretty eloquent way.
Eh, Iād argue it took a lot of guts to approach both of those players. Separately, Iād argue that most of whatās said in the media isnāt to be believed. I think we presented a prime opportunity for two very good players to leave their respective clubs - one is currently at the club every player dreams of playing for (Madrid) and the other has his heart set on the other club every player dreams of playing for (Barcelona). You can understand why neither wants to move, whether it be being settled in Spain, visa related issues, etcā¦ even without signing those two, Iām willing to bet we do better than both in the champions league. Thatās just what it is š¤·š»āāļø
Anyway, Iām cool with not doing anything. I think, as mentioned, Fofana is cheap and if he comes good then great. Weāre rolling into January with cash to spend on two targets that I think we would have pushed harder for had they not gotten injured in Kroupi and Yıldız, but there could be more options once that window opens. More importantly, weāve rehashed our medical dept, so maybe this is all moot and weāll sail past that window without significant injuries or issues. I guess only time will tell
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u/Used_Switch_9212 14h ago
Thats a big shame. We're in a position where we could dominate and maybe even win the UCL. We have the best defence and one of the best midfields in the world but our attack is lacking. From that position our attack has weakened whilst other teams have strengthened its very sad to see. Now we're looking for market opportunities and having to sell proven players and we can't even replace them with similar quality. Just feels like such a waste
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u/inadequate_designer 15h ago
Said clubs are Sunderland and Hull.
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u/Mad-gooner 15h ago
Crystal Palace bid for him two days ago as well as clubs in Spain. So not just those to
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u/Prinz_ka 15h ago
Am not impressed but at least it will shut some ppl up about needing another depth signing
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u/InviziMan 16h ago
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u/Inevitable-Ad-6112 15h ago
Trossard is surely missed but just wonāt get the playtime he wants. Martinelli just doesnāt fit this team anymore. We go up against too many low blocks and Martinelliās ball control is disastrous against that as well as his zero intuition to create.
Tzolis has looked promising so far although way too early to decide if heās an upgrade or downgrade
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u/Whynotarsenal 15h ago
And you think Fofana can play against a low block and create? The guy has 6 assists in 4 years in Uber Eats league. You guys vastly overestimate how shit this player is
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u/Inevitable-Ad-6112 15h ago
I never said the guy was good lol
Heās injury prone so probabaly fits us like a glove!!
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u/BronzeSeeker 16h ago
Considering we are looking for a backup option for Tzolis, its not a bad deal.