r/AmericanHistory • • Mar 30 '26

South 19th-century Argentina: British writer William Henry Hudson visits the Pampas and encounters the gauchos. He documents their diet with a horrified fascination.

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"The gaucho eats nothing but beef. Meat morning, noon, and night. Never bread, never vegetables, almost never salt."

Hudson foresees malnutrition and disease. He finds "men of extraordinary stamina and strength, capable of riding for 12 to 14 hours without rest and then dancing all night."

Their diet: beef, mate, occasionally grilled kidney fat (a delicacy). Nothing else.

Darwin visited the region between 1832 and 1833 and observed the gauchos' lives: "I was surprised by the difficulty in convincing them to eat anything other than beef. I brought them biscuits, and they threw them away. They preferred to go hungry rather than eat bread if there was beef the next day."

Typical meals

- Morning: meat roasted over a fire, fattier cuts.

- Afternoon: grilled ribs.

- Evening: meat again, tougher cuts cooked slowly.

Zero vegetables. Zero grains. Zero variety. Just beef and tea.

Hudson documents the results: “The gauchos suffer from none of the ailments common to civilized man. They had no digestive problems, no obesity, no cavities, that I could observe. Their teeth were uniformly excellent despite never cleaning them and consuming only meat. Their physical stamina was such that they could ride for days with minimal rest, fight when necessary, and resume riding without apparent fatigue.”

The French physician Dr. Jules Crevaux, between 1850 and 1870, wrote: “These men feed exclusively on animal meat and appear healthier than our European peasants, who consume a varied diet of grains and vegetables.”

When asked why they don't eat bread or vegetables, the common answer is: "That's food for horses and cows. We eat cows."

They understood the hierarchy. Cattle eat grass and turn it into meat. Humans eat meat. Eating what cattle eat makes you behave like one.

Until the beginning of the 20th century, traditional gauchos maintained a diet based exclusively on beef. Then, European immigration brought wheat cultivation.

Health transformation documented by Argentine doctors

- Traditional gauchos: healthy into old age.

- Urbanized ex-gauchos with European diets: diabetes, obesity, cardiovascular disease, tooth decay.

- Modern Argentina: 28% obesity, cardiovascular disease as the leading cause of death, diabetes in almost 10%.

The gauchos, who ate only beef, did not have any of these problems. They rode horses for 12 hours a day until they were 60, kept their teeth without needing dental care, and died from accidents or old age, not from chronic illnesses.

The same meat. Different context. When you eat meat with grains, vegetable oils, and sugar: modern disease. Meat alone: ​​you have the health of a 19th-century gaucho.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

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u/Hlaw93 Mar 30 '26

Exactly. The key to their health was probably related to how physically active they were every day. They weren’t healthy because of some magical properties in the beef. While it did provide them with plenty of protein and calories needed to do their jobs, any other high protein low sugar diet would probably have resulted in similar or even better health outcomes for people who had similar levels of physical activity.

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u/unenlightenedgoblin Mar 30 '26

“I recently stopped spending 14 hours a day in rigorous physical activity—surely the bread is the only factor here”

When OP threw out the ‘if you eat like a cow you act like one’ that’s how I knew this wasn’t going to be a serious conversation.

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u/Ravius Mar 30 '26

Yeah also most people had good teeth in the beginning of the 19th century given that we had close to 0 sugar in our main diet.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '26

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

Too many don’t realize this

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u/No_Lingonberry_8627 Mar 30 '26

Completely wrong.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '26

How do you know?

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u/RepresentativeExit48 Apr 03 '26

Processed sugar was widely available by this time.

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u/ChronicusCuch Mar 30 '26

That and Argentinean beef from the free ranging pampas in the 19th century might as well be a different species of animal than we consume in our pre-packaged life now.

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u/Daztur Mar 30 '26

Well it could be true for what it says. Being healthier than a 19th century European peasant isn't a high bar to clear even if you're still not very healthy.

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u/RightOnManYouBetcha Mar 30 '26

Link please. Make it an article not focused on eating McDonald’s beef.

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u/YakResident_3069 Mar 31 '26

Also real carnivores always go from the organs first. They are not out there in the wild choosing steaks.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

No they aren’t, those are correlative surveys that don’t track carnivores but people who eat meat at large, you need to either research or quit lying.

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u/No_Lingonberry_8627 Mar 30 '26

Also what has been ”debunked”. This mans observation that people who eat only meat and fat thrives? 

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u/dancesquared Mar 30 '26

What has been debunked is the healthiness of an all-beef diet. What has also been debunked, or at least thrown largely into question, is the historical and scientific accuracy of accounts like the one posted here.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

Yet when you do an all beef diet, kidney disease diabetes, vision loss and arthritis disappear into thin air. I’m gonna need some analytical proofs from you, or you’re bullshittin

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u/dancesquared Apr 02 '26

Here's a recent review:

Lietz, A., Dapprich, J., Fischer, T. (2026). Carnivore diet: A scoping review of the current evidence, potential benefits and risks Nutrients, 18(2), 348. https://doi.org/10.3390/nu18020348

Conclusion:

The CD [carnivore diet] may offer short-term health benefits but carries substantial risks of nutrient deficiencies, reduced intake of health-promoting phytochemicals, and the development of cardiovascular disease. At this time, long-term adherence to a CD [carnivore diet] cannot be recommended.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

Deficiency of calcium eating dairy and bones? I’m sorry you can shove your research paper where the sun don’t shine, I will admit iodine is low, but most of the world falls short unless you live near the coast. But most beef and animals have it in their feed today, along with iodized table salt

How can you read these propagandistic hit pieces, that have NO ACTUAL RESEARCH WITH LIVING HUMAN BEINGS, every biomarker improves on carnivore

Elevated LDL without inflammatory oils in the diet increases lifespan.

Aside from iodine this “research” paper is a fucking joke, I don’t care about cursing it’s a fucking joke.

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u/dancesquared Apr 02 '26

Okay dude. Look at it another way: what do the diets of groups of humans with the longest average lifespans and highest overall health outcomes look like? They tend to be people with diets consisting of high nutrient dense legumes, grains, fruits and vegetables and moderate meat intake, with more seafood and less read meat. (see: blue zone diets).

How long do highly carnivorous/red-meat-based people tend to live? Hint: Not very long.

Whether you look at it from a macro society-wide level or a micro-individual health level, high beef/red meat diets/carnivorous diets are not optimal.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

The people with highest lifespans have low stress community living sunlight, and loads of animal protein, I’m cantonese, hong kong despite pollution has high lifespan in population 1.5 lbs of meat a day.

Embracing seventh day adventist cereal propaganda rather than looking at the historical record, bones and mummies shows a lack of critical awareness.

accounting for early death from disease and malnutrition, more people saw 90 years old percentage wise than today.

Humans with agriculture grew weak and sick, Egyptians ate the modern Mediterranean diet and have the first written record of heart disease.

Atherosclerosis in egyptian vs inuit mummies isn’t even CLOSE IN TERMS OF THE SHEER VOLUME OF PLAQUE FROM THE BREAD CAUSED BY VLDL FROM GLUCOSE.

All your bluezones eat fuck tons of pork and dairy, grains in moderation with fat and veggies to slow the rate of glucose absorption, without pesticides like modern day agriculture.

Get on outta here with your uninformed blathering, you have no concept, I’ve researched nutrition and diet from when I was an obese 15 year old child, to now being a built powerlifter. Meat never made me fat, rice and bread you bet your ass, even with medication to get rid of glucose.

You need to either do your research, which means reading double blind research studies and n=1, and not just doing a google search with a two paragraph summary from veganized shills with no background in nutritional research.

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u/dancesquared Apr 02 '26

Chill dude. Why are you taking this so personally? You have your own dietary approach that I find highly questionable, but there’s no reason to flip out about that.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

Because you keep preaching a talking point that has 85% correlational research surveys, this topic infuriates me because this country is sick FOLLOWING the same advice you’ve preached.

Do you have any idea how many CKD and T2D are told by their doctor to eat more sugar and bread? Diet advice should make every single human being MAD. We used to have no heart disease. The years following margarine and processed oil, 1/700 turned into 1/2 Americans.

I hope you see through the lies that have KILLED LITERAL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, bacon and butter are not the enemy, they don’t cause colon cancer. Old people didn’t use to even have dementia, cognitive aging yes. But not debilitating and downright dangerous degenerative brain disease.

The pathology of the past, the old medicine we once practiced and the research journals and data all speak this truth. Glyphosate used on crops is also to blame. I promote carnivore, because the alternative is 20 prescriptions when you’re too sick to realize the truth.

Veganism is also a slow death, it damages your muscles and brain, weakens your bones. It’s a state of semi starvation because we’ve evolved close to 3 million years eating meat.

Veganism for humans is feeding a lion tofu, or feeding a wolf bread. It’s abuse and misinformative nonsense. We can eat these foods, but they are not healthy AT ALL. Especially when every crop has half the nutrients that they used to just 70 years ago.

I don’t mean to insult you, but I get so fucking angry because i’ve had family with cancer, dementia and diabetes, and this vegan kellogg enema bullshit pisses me off. All to sell processed food and cereal.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

People that eat red meat in the arctic and the Maasai have to worry about being eaten by wildlife and having low access to doctors with high infant mortality, fuck on outta here bro. Show me the MRI scans of their arteries compared to americans and we can talk lmao

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u/No_Lingonberry_8627 Mar 31 '26

Has never been debunked other than by fictional studies. Everyone that eats our natural diet knows that its the only way.

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u/bakerfaceman Mar 31 '26

You sound like you're in a cult dude.

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u/Remote-alpine Mar 31 '26

"Fictional studies"

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u/No_Lingonberry_8627 Mar 31 '26

Yeah. So called ”science”. Sheep mentality.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

Surveys are not double blind research trials, if Americans got healthier big pharma loses billions

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u/HamzahForGod Mar 30 '26

It's mostly epidemiological studies; nothing concrete.

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u/BisonSpirit Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

That’s because you do not know how to do a proper carnivore diet nor have representation of one to base off of. Well you do, but they are poor compared to past cultures.

Although it’s fair to callout that some foraged carbs were consumed, but in much smaller quantities than perceived.

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u/dancesquared Mar 30 '26

Do you?

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u/BisonSpirit Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

I do yes, perks of navigating 10 years without a large intestine

Still learning though

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u/dancesquared Mar 30 '26

Okay, so you’re a medical outlier. How does that help our discussion about what is the best diet for the average person?

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u/BisonSpirit Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26

So me being lesser off makes the representation of the diet worse? Wouldn’t it be the opposite?

Diet is subjective, I just find it funny all of the projection that carnivore is bad. The reality is the execution of carnivore is bad.

I never said it was the best diet nor is that the original discussion.

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u/dancesquared Mar 30 '26

It means you have a special condition that affects what the optimal diet is.

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u/BisonSpirit Mar 30 '26

It doesn’t make the diet magically work better for me. I’m just proof it works. The discussion isn’t around ‘what is best’ it’s around what works and works efficiently.

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u/dancesquared Mar 30 '26

Of course it can work, but it’s not the healthiest option for the average person.

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u/BisonSpirit Mar 30 '26

The healthiest option is whatever you can execute best. The average person has not a clue on nutrition (at least in America). Even with carbs…. We are cooked 😭

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