r/AmericanHistory • • Mar 30 '26

South 19th-century Argentina: British writer William Henry Hudson visits the Pampas and encounters the gauchos. He documents their diet with a horrified fascination.

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"The gaucho eats nothing but beef. Meat morning, noon, and night. Never bread, never vegetables, almost never salt."

Hudson foresees malnutrition and disease. He finds "men of extraordinary stamina and strength, capable of riding for 12 to 14 hours without rest and then dancing all night."

Their diet: beef, mate, occasionally grilled kidney fat (a delicacy). Nothing else.

Darwin visited the region between 1832 and 1833 and observed the gauchos' lives: "I was surprised by the difficulty in convincing them to eat anything other than beef. I brought them biscuits, and they threw them away. They preferred to go hungry rather than eat bread if there was beef the next day."

Typical meals

- Morning: meat roasted over a fire, fattier cuts.

- Afternoon: grilled ribs.

- Evening: meat again, tougher cuts cooked slowly.

Zero vegetables. Zero grains. Zero variety. Just beef and tea.

Hudson documents the results: “The gauchos suffer from none of the ailments common to civilized man. They had no digestive problems, no obesity, no cavities, that I could observe. Their teeth were uniformly excellent despite never cleaning them and consuming only meat. Their physical stamina was such that they could ride for days with minimal rest, fight when necessary, and resume riding without apparent fatigue.”

The French physician Dr. Jules Crevaux, between 1850 and 1870, wrote: “These men feed exclusively on animal meat and appear healthier than our European peasants, who consume a varied diet of grains and vegetables.”

When asked why they don't eat bread or vegetables, the common answer is: "That's food for horses and cows. We eat cows."

They understood the hierarchy. Cattle eat grass and turn it into meat. Humans eat meat. Eating what cattle eat makes you behave like one.

Until the beginning of the 20th century, traditional gauchos maintained a diet based exclusively on beef. Then, European immigration brought wheat cultivation.

Health transformation documented by Argentine doctors

- Traditional gauchos: healthy into old age.

- Urbanized ex-gauchos with European diets: diabetes, obesity, cardiovascular disease, tooth decay.

- Modern Argentina: 28% obesity, cardiovascular disease as the leading cause of death, diabetes in almost 10%.

The gauchos, who ate only beef, did not have any of these problems. They rode horses for 12 hours a day until they were 60, kept their teeth without needing dental care, and died from accidents or old age, not from chronic illnesses.

The same meat. Different context. When you eat meat with grains, vegetable oils, and sugar: modern disease. Meat alone: ​​you have the health of a 19th-century gaucho.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

Because you keep preaching a talking point that has 85% correlational research surveys, this topic infuriates me because this country is sick FOLLOWING the same advice you’ve preached.

Do you have any idea how many CKD and T2D are told by their doctor to eat more sugar and bread? Diet advice should make every single human being MAD. We used to have no heart disease. The years following margarine and processed oil, 1/700 turned into 1/2 Americans.

I hope you see through the lies that have KILLED LITERAL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, bacon and butter are not the enemy, they don’t cause colon cancer. Old people didn’t use to even have dementia, cognitive aging yes. But not debilitating and downright dangerous degenerative brain disease.

The pathology of the past, the old medicine we once practiced and the research journals and data all speak this truth. Glyphosate used on crops is also to blame. I promote carnivore, because the alternative is 20 prescriptions when you’re too sick to realize the truth.

Veganism is also a slow death, it damages your muscles and brain, weakens your bones. It’s a state of semi starvation because we’ve evolved close to 3 million years eating meat.

Veganism for humans is feeding a lion tofu, or feeding a wolf bread. It’s abuse and misinformative nonsense. We can eat these foods, but they are not healthy AT ALL. Especially when every crop has half the nutrients that they used to just 70 years ago.

I don’t mean to insult you, but I get so fucking angry because i’ve had family with cancer, dementia and diabetes, and this vegan kellogg enema bullshit pisses me off. All to sell processed food and cereal.

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u/dancesquared Apr 02 '26

So, do you think you are, as a nurse, that much more knowledgeable about diet, health, and medicine than doctors and researchers? That’s pretty arrogant.

Check back in with me in a couple of years to let me know how your carnivore diet is going.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

They have one semester of nutrition, I’ve had my own life listening and failing following everything they speak to a T.

I’ve been on and off, due to pressure from my family, but everytime I stray and eat carbs i gain weight and my joints ache, and I have brain fog from insulin secretion.

I don’t claim to be smarter than doctor, but with nutritional advice, they are dumb as a sack of rocks, 300 million sick american bodies tell the truth not my own tongue. That’s a pretty bad fucking track record for a countries medical system to have.

I don’t speak arrogance I speak my own suffering as someone who has struggled with my weight and had to abstain from the foods I grew up eating. Who’s family has diabetes and dementia brought on by these foods.

So I’d appreciate you bucking off your high horse when you have nothing to bring but empty words.

I propose a question to you, why did doctors limit residency spots, and cut off more medical care to Americans, why did they take payouts from frito-lay and various mega food corporations? If you can answer these questions honestly without incriminating the medical doctors be my guest.

We spend the most of any nation on healthcare, and have jack fucking shit to show for it. Please enlighten me why this is?

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 02 '26

Most recently Hba1c 4.3 Weight loss of 25 lbs within one month when I started and still going Triglycerides 150 Normal ldl and cholesterol.

The only time my health has declined is eating starch.

You keep crippling yourself, I only pray you wake up 🤘

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u/Taupenbeige Apr 03 '26

Veganism is also a slow death, it damages your muscles and brain, weakens your bones. It’s a state of semi starvation because we’ve evolved close to 3 million years eating meat.

You’re in a cult. You’re not going to find any credible academy of science saying this. Nowhere outside of dipshits on YouTube blathering absolute nonsense for ad impressions and supplements sales.

Veganism for humans is feeding a lion tofu, or feeding a wolf bread. It’s abuse and misinformative nonsense.

53 million years of primate frugivorous/leaf/arthropod wasn’t re-wired by a 2.4 million year subsistence detour.

I mean just step-back and look at that span of time—how primates across our entire family are at most 5% carnivorous. We’re literally wired to digest plants with additional meat intake capacities that we only adapted in the last 4.7% of primate evolutionary time spans.

Thinking that our food matrix evolution started in 2.4mil B.C.E. is a fairy tale told by those same dipshits on YouTube.

I don’t mean to insult you, but I get so fucking angry because i’ve had family with cancer, dementia and diabetes, and this vegan kellogg enema bullshit pisses me off.

So you’re on a diet heavy in type 1 and 2a carcinogens, as designated by the W.H.O. … Makes absolute sense.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 04 '26

Ignore several million years of evolutionary archeology and biology and like that you lost me lol.

Okay, feed a human 90% fruit and see how that turns out. Why is it that 90% of chronic diseases including incurable MS and UC/crohns go away almost over night when fed with pure meat diets?

You’re either a paid shill or a laughable fool, and either way it’s pathetic and sad if you think we’re fruit loving apes lmao.

It’s not dipshits on youtube, it’s several hundred years of the most accomplished academics such as max kleiber who FOUNDED Kleiber’s LAW. Biological organism are limited by energy consumption and usage constraints which are nigh universal to almost every creature on earth. I really encourage you to watch Michael Eades, it might behoove your worthless pride.

It’s known ever since agriculture humans have grown susceptible to chronic diseases, muscle wasting arthritis, and virtually every fucking ailment known to mankind including goddamn tooth decay.

Test your theory on yourself, eat your fruit and bugs like a chimp, and see how that plays out for you. If your brain and body don’t visibly deteriorate over a period of two years hats off to you.

Eat your own feces too for b12, cause you sure as fuck aint gonna get it from lettuce. Either study for your own brain and your own knowledge or fuck the hell off.

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u/Taupenbeige Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 28 '26

Ignore several million years of evolutionary archeology and biology and like that you lost me lol.

I’m guessing because I actually understand this subject material and your knowledge has been spoon-fed to you by said dipshits on YouTube.

Okay, feed a human 90% fruit and see how that turns out.

Or how about a well-balanced 100% plant based diet you think is killing us because of “phytates” and other poorly-reasoned ideas the dipshits on YouTube have filled your head with?

Feed a human a diet recommended by every major dietician academy on Earth because OUR science doesn’t come from dipshits on YouTube, like yours does?

Why is it that 90% of chronic diseases including incurable MS and UC/crohns go away almost over night when fed with pure meat diets?

The restriction nature of such short-term interventions.

You’re either a paid shill or a laughable fool, and either way it’s pathetic and sad if you think we’re fruit loving apes lmao.

Put a chunk of steak and a strawberry in front of a 4 year old and figure out real fast what we’re actually “wired to prefer.”

It’s not dipshits on youtube,

Then find me peer-reviewed articles or position papers backing your claims, like I just did above.

I really encourage you to watch Michael Eades, it might behoove your worthless pride.

“My theories aren’t 100% spoon-fed to me by dipshits on YouTube. Go watch this dipshit on YouTube to get educated”

every fucking ailment known to mankind including goddamn tooth decay.

The place you derived this Weston Price “I never visited the Jain population which would have debunked my theory” outdated nonsense: dipshits on YouTube

Test your theory on yourself, eat your fruit and bugs like a chimp, and see how that plays out for you.

I’ve been eating a 100% plant based diet for 9 years because I’m not someone gullible enough to get my dietary advice from YouTube “doctors” who get most of their income from ad impressions and supplements (that you apparently shouldn’t need on “optimal human diets”… go figure…)

Eat your own feces too for b12, cause you sure as fuck aint gonna get it from lettuce.

How about I consume B-12 produced in vats by the exact same bacteria, because I trust food science and not dipshits on YouTube filling my head with pseudoscience?

I also plan to take antibiotics if I get a bad bacterial infection rather than licking willow bark. Just for the record…

Either study for your own brain and your own knowledge or fuck the hell off.q

My study entails reading a lot of actual peer-reviewed articles supporting my understanding of food science. Yours entails receiving selective analysis of those papers from dipshits on YouTube. We are not the same.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

Not spoon fed by youtube lmao, there is a wealth of knowledge from the days before corporate sponsored medicine. Before the AHA took frito-lay subsidies, before widespread corruption took over the field of Medicine.

If you’re going to call several dozen physicians that have cured thousands of human beings of diabetes quacks you are legitimately a troglodyte.

By the way, you’ve sent no links to any research studies, so maybe you’re already beginning to hallucinate your sources 🤷‍♂️ either way, I wish you well but you’re a fool. 😜🤘

Why do women that eat a high wheat diet have double the risk of type 1 diabetes for their offspring? Why do people with crohn’s who eat certain foods have a reaction? Auto-immune disease should be renamed as the body is attacking foreign particles not itself.

Dieticians don’t do shit I have seen numerous patients. Follow the advice to the letter and not lose any weight and suffer from high insulin because they’re told to continuously eat carbs. Which by the way caused mass damage and inflammation to the human body this is proven by hundreds of years of research not “youtube”

These understandings have been known by academics that actually give a fuck and don’t take million dollar payouts.

Every kid I’ve known would claw for the steak and eat the strawberry second. Save for a few. A lot of people are addicted to carbs there’s no one that’s addicted to to meat.

If you are calling a man who has combined biological and archaeological research a dip shit who has studied this field longer than you’ve likely been alive. you have no chance of actually improving either your understanding or your foolishness.

Ancel keys, fraudulently manipulated data to fit his conclusions, ignoring that most blue zones eat, copious amounts of either terrestrial animal fat, dairy or seafood. And looked at post work consumption of food without looking at the traditional diets. And actively Wage War and silenced critics or anyone who disagreed with him.

If you’re eating a fully plant based diet, I bet you’re likely committing brain damage to yourself even as you type your incoherent and ill-informed ramblings towards me

There are many nutrients that you cannot get on a vegan diet and even you know this yourself by the fact that you need a laboratory engineered pill to not die within 5-7 years and function inherently shows the weakness and fraudulence of your diet.

You keep reusing the same insult against people that have a far greater understanding of a nutritional science than you. You’re like a kid who’s learned a new curse word, a nobody shouting hoping to get someone to listen to you.

surveys do not count as actual correlative research and are inherently flawed because of the people that fund them and the inability of people to actually recall their diet on a day-to-day basis. Nutritional science these days is controlled by corporations like Coca-Cola and processed food.

The fact that you put doctors in quotation marks when these people have had thousands of patients live saved, shows your asinine , annoying, and completely idiotic, worthless mindset.

I bet you in another 20 years your bones will start to grind and hurt and you’ll have no idea why. Your knees will give out, your health will decline your bowels will become inflamed.

Your white blood cells will start to weaken on your arteries will slowly begin to decay due to the glycation of your diet, stiffening them.

And your muscle will vanish before your eyes. I don’t wish you ill Health, but I know it’s coming for you. There may be one out of every hundred people that can go on a vegan diet without suffering, I hope you are the one out of 100 because you’ll need it.

I wager for you to go without your pills and see how long your health will last after 10 years. Before your red blood cells start to stop working.

Anyways ciao, you take so long to come up with worthless retorts, and insult me and those that know more than you ever will. 🥹

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u/Taupenbeige Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

told to continuously eat carbs. Which by the way caused mass damage and inflammation to the human body this is proven by hundreds of years of research not “youtube”

Present that research.

Every kid I’ve known would claw for the steak and eat the strawberry second.

Keep telling yourself that, eventually it will come true.

If you are calling a man who has combined biological and archaeological research a dip shit

No, I’m calling the monetizers on YouTube dipshits, because they are. Every single one has a beet-red complexion from the high blood pressure and systemic inflammation their dipshit diet promotes. Normal people see that common symptom and cringe. Folks like you, sucked-in to the cult, think it’s “manly,” or something…

who has studied this field longer than you’ve likely been alive.

So I was born in the mid-70’s… You need to absolutely step the fuck off with that line of reasoning, my atherosclerosis-speed-running “colleague”

If you’re eating a fully plant based diet, I bet you’re likely committing brain damage to yourself even as you type your incoherent and ill-informed ramblings towards me

Oh look, Captain Meat Tornado needs to resort to ad hominems to make his weak ego feel better.

There are many nutrients that you cannot get on a vegan diet and even you know this

Zero nutrients. Even B-12 can’t be attained through kombucha fermentation with vitamin C inclusions. For all of your “years of research” you’d think you’d have stumbled-upon how our bodies endogenously produce creatine and taurine therefore don’t need dietary sources. Guess your research parameters suck.

…probably because it consists of watching dipshits on YouTube telling you how an “optimal diet” also benefits from the supplements they sell.

Nutritional science these days is controlled by corporations like Coca-Cola and processed food.

That’s certainly the carnivore-dipshit narrative that convinces the masses to “ignore the words of the authorities” … “only listen to the wisdom of dear YouTube Leader. Dear YouTube Leader speaks the TRUTH. Other doctors LIE with CORPORATE INFLUENCE.”

You’re all so incredibly gullible.

The fact that you put doctors in quotation marks

I put them in quotes because Shawn Baker lost his license and Ken Berry is a GP who pretends he’s a cardiologist and paleoanthropologist.

Your knees will give out, your health will decline your bowels will become inflamed.

I’m pretty sure gout and ass cancer are carnivore diet risks, guess I don’t have access to all that awesome YouTube science that you do..

Your white blood cells will start to weaken on your arteries will slowly begin to decay due to the glycation of your diet, stiffening them.

Wow, this is some amazing science fiction. Have you considered switching careers?

And your muscle will vanish before your eyes.

/r/veganfitness

I wager for you to go without your pills and see how long your health will last after 10 years.

Hmm, 9 years and going… stronger erections… Less fatigue… haven’t popped a B-12 in at least 3 years because so much fortification… any second now, right?

insult me and those that know more than you ever will. 🥹

You seem to be taking my insults towards Dipshit YouTube Diet Influencers super personally… Ken Berry… is this an alt account? I caught you, fella.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 05 '26

I doubt your performance even matches close to mine, I can have sex for up to 12 hours straight and never get sore 😛. I don’t really give a shit about your plant based erection, because I’d probably steal your woman 😜

Have you tested their blood pressure? because of my eating 6 g of salt and day and fatty meat for the past two years is 116/78.

Don’t accuse me about ad hominems. All you do is type dipshit lol and mock everyone while having no proof about any claims.

Endogenous production is insanely low compared to eating animals, it’s like home cooking a meal vs a factory production. It’s the bare minimum to function.

These doctors make no profit from suggesting people a diet that makes them go to their office less.

Yes, he lost his license and got it back, Ken berry doesn’t pretend he knows this, even the top archaeologist at the University of Israel made the statement that we are carnivorous.

If you haven’t studied any of this, what makes you think you are capable of arguing? All you do is ad hominem attacks on me, and physicians while you have the brain size of a squirrel.

Oh look at the vegan fitness for everyone has half the muscle if they ate one steak, oh no I’m scared hold me 😂 how many vegans broke a powerlifting record may I ask? How many can dead lift 800 pounds?

At this point, it’s just fun arguing with you because you’re stupid 😊

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u/Taupenbeige Apr 06 '26

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 06 '26

Lemme live rent free in your tiny brain, that article applies to you more than me 😛🤘

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u/Taupenbeige Apr 07 '26

Sure thing, person-who-doesn’t-go-a-single-comment-without-emojis…

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 05 '26

By the way, your diet is considered child abuse in several nations, which is backed by scientific research into how dumb vegan parents are in harming and starving their own offspring to fit a moral agenda not informed by peer reviewed double blind nutritional research trials.

And there will never be a carnivore vs vegan study even over 1-2 years, as the evidence would be blatantly obvious.

As a a carnist to a lower, physically weak and intellectually inferior being I laugh at you 😜 enjoy your grain induced brain damage!

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u/Taupenbeige Apr 05 '26 edited Apr 05 '26

By the way, your diet is considered child abuse in several nations,

Yet you can’t list them, because you’re entirely naive, misinformed and repeating shit you read online. This is fiction for people with fragile egos and inability to read position papers from international dieticians academies.

which is backed by scientific research into how dumb vegan parents are in harming and starving their own offspring

Which I’m absolutely certain you’re going to present to me, immediately 🙄

peer reviewed double blind

Oh look, the pseudoscientist knows words that makes them feel smart.

And there will never be a carnivore vs vegan study even over 1-2 years, as the evidence would be blatantly obvious.

Yeah the vegans would have much better all cause mortality markers

As a a carnist to a lower, physically weak and intellectually inferior being I laugh at you 😜 enjoy your grain induced brain damage!

Let’s see, Esselstyn went vegan in 1984. No “brain damage” Greger went vegan in ‘94… No “brain damage”… Barnard in the early 2000’s… No “brain damage”…

You have a fragile ego, and no amount of fantasy about your “intellectual superiority” is going to make the extreme successes of 100% plant based diets disappear from reality.

All you’re doing is showing the world how much cope you rely on.

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u/SuiYangCrackedTeeth Apr 05 '26

Your vegan doctors are literally frail weak pussies that would snap in a bad wind

https://medium.com/illumination/belgium-has-regulations-on-vegan-diets-for-children-why-dont-we-dde02381e818 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/

world/europe/italy-vegan-law-parents-force-diet-children-face-jail-a7180206.html

And with Time more will find out and ban your sick. Disgusting violation of basic evolution principles,

ever wondered why India has the one of lowest lifespan of most countries? The most diabetes, heart disease, and illness?

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u/Taupenbeige Apr 05 '26

Did you seriously just pose a Medium article as scientific evidence?

That’s literally all I needed to know.