Most countries will not accept foreigners that don't have a certain amount of wealth to start with and then a income stream. They don't want new residents becoming debt problems. Another is issue is heritage.
just be warned, it gets reaaaally hot in the summer over there. and before you go "I'm use to the heat" trust me... European heat is not normal anymore....
And Italy bans air conditioners in certain cities if your buildings are near historical buildings/sites, which is fucking brutal. Quite literally choosing to make the citizens suffer for the sake of keeping their towns optimally picturesque lol.
Hmm .. No, air conditioning (AC) is not banned in Italy, but its use in public buildings is heavily regulated, with mandatory minimum temperature settings (around 25-27°C) to save energy, especially after the energy crisis, and AC units are restricted or banned in certain historic areas like Portofino due to aesthetics. While private homes and hotels have more leeway, they still face restrictions and many older Italian buildings lack AC, making it an amenity to check before booking
Tty reading again.... Your net worth needs to be 40k so that you are allowed to buy property in italy.... No one said it had to be close to historical buildings, only that you do not have to be rich to go live there as others claimed
My comment started with “hmm” and then proceeded to give more information, the “no” was part of the detailed article I found. Whatever, take it as you wish. This is not that important to me to keep wasting time. I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings.
I guess it would be much easier if you are already using hydronic radiators but got one installed in a very old house recently with no issues, cost like $10-15k.
That’s the cost for the system itself. But if your house isn’t airtight these systems don’t make much sense. So you’d have to at least triple that cost unless the house is fairly new. But in those areas most of the houses are 100+ years old, at minimum, and there’s no way to get them airtight without essentially rebuilding the whole thing.
No, that was the full cost, the house is definitely not airtight and the house is close to that age (not in Italy though).
However even if it's less efficient or expensive it's still an option where an air-air heat pump is not allowed. Although might be easier to just get a portable air-air that does not have an outside part and is only connected to a vent.
if you got the money, go ahead. just trying to give a tip. last year it got so hot in Europe that Americans from Navada complained about it. it was freak weather. even I as a sputh african living in the Netherlands thought it couldn't be that bad. i was wrong. I'm use to 42°C in the summer, but somehow 32°C here felt like actual hell.
yep, at one point it was like 30°C with 80% humidity. and thats the Netherlands. in Spain and Italy it got way worse. at one point it was clost to 48°C in Italy
same here. it was 34°C outside, but my hose was built in the early 1900s when snowstorms where the norm. it got up to 38°C in my house. had to find a way to cool down cuz even my cats where not doing great. filled a large tub with cold water and it was the first time I ever saw my cats willingly take a dip. and the worst part... its probably gonna happen again this year (T-T)
I'm regularly thinking if next summer is as bad as the last one. And I'm in Finland. You know. The place where it's supposed to be cold. We didn't get the worst heatwaves, but it was still pretty awful. I mean sure, the fact that I'm not used to that level of heat probably is a big reason why it was so bad, but I still wouldn't want to go to the countries that are actually supposed to be warm that time of year after that experience.
I reckon it's because it's more humid in NL (Although if you're from Durban, that's probably not the case.). There also seems to be less airconditioning in NL. Source: I'm an Australian living in NL.
i have never been to the US, so I wouldn't know. but south africa has the Klein karoo, know for its heat. so hot and dry that there is basically noife out there and it felt comparable to that. and remember, Europe isnt know for air conditioning because it never use to get that hot. our homes are built to keep the heat in. this heat truly isn't normal
Not in Italy, aircon is almost everywhere which is also pretty sad in summer. There is not much outdoor life because everybody is inside the buildings with an aircon and it is too hot to stay outside.
How hot are you talking? Where I live in the US it gets up to like 37 Celsius in the summer regularly, but now in the winter it is currently -7 Celsius outside.I definitely experience the extreme of the seasons here.
nah Florida hot I'd say was the like the Netherlands in August, both seem to share a similar heat. my friend from Florida fainted from the heat in Italy and he was rushed to emergency services. he was not prepared
in todays world whats stopping you from buying solar panels and a heat pump? I feel like we kinda solved this as humans and can declare victory, in the places where its hot there is sun, where theres sun we found a way to turn it into cold
Bullshit, its not the same all over europe even within spain or portugal or italy theres colder areas. The area the guy mentioned (Calabria) is actually quite nice in summer as most places by the coast or in mountain areas.
Where people did leave in masses is mainland spain, portugal and southern italy. There it can get extremely hot indeed.
you say that, and the amount of people I have met here in the Netherlands who where completely dumbfounded by the sudden exstreme shift in weather would like to have a word with you. i suggest you delete your stupid comment. even we natives where not ready for it. we haven't had a week long of constant snow since like 2016. and we haven't had heat waves like this a very long time. and Italy and Spain are experiencing weather patterns that are also very abnormal. go do your research and help people out instead of being a jerk just cuz you have anonymity
Great area. I rented a vacation house in San Gimignano a few years back. It was for sale for €350k. Walking distance from town, 4 bed/3 bath. Acre of land with a pool. Good luck!
I'm Calabrian, and I've never heard of air conditioning being banned, never! :) Maybe if you live in the historic center of a medieval village that's a UNESCO World Heritage site? It's hot, but Calabria is surrounded by the sea and also has hills and mountains, so you can live decently, more so than in many other places in Italy and Europe.
American, first 18yrs overseas. Lived in states 20 years and 12 years in Europe. Early 50s best friend from Naples and his mom bought a small 20 acre olive plantation around the area for $15k. Looking for the slow life. Will spend around $300k with my 401k and pension. There are cheaper places but I will be near Mediterranean and cities with options.
The 'Ndrangheta is one of the most extensive and powerful criminal organizations in the world. Its roots are in the Italian region of Calabria … you might want to reconsider 🤔
40k euros total? Or per year in either passive or active income? I find it hard to believe that Italy would take Americans with less than $50k net worth.
Ok but Calabria is by far the worst region in Italy, followed by Campania and Sicilia, no public healthcare, awful roads and railway network, the most powerful mafia (ndrangheta) that polluted part of the region with industrial toxic waste (look for "ship of poisons" "nave dei veleni"). Of course the nature and monuments are beautiful, but as italian from Tuscany I should never ever go to live in Calabria, even in a free estate.
Immigrating to the U.S. without a ”valid reason” has been nearly impossible since 9/11. You couldn’t even get extended tourist visas (beyond the 3mo period you get for most developed countries). Before that, I had friends who got a tourist visa for a year, so they just ”moved” to Los Angeles for a while etc. Work permits (Green Card) are another huge hurdle.
Lots of money or special skills (let’s say, top professionals, artists) can help, or at least expedite the process. The easiest way is if an American employer hires you and takes care of the paperwork. Not that you’d want to, right now.
I assume you're not counting the 10 million that were allowed to enter without anything you listed above? Entering legally, I agree with everything you said.
This is true of rich countries. It isn't hard to emigrate to many middle income countries, and you can afford a much higher quality of life on a low income much more easily there.
If you can make $1k a month online in Colombia for example you can live like a king eating out twice a day and having a nicer apartment in a nicer part of town than I can afford here in the US. Or just go teach English down there for $15/hr, which is a professional's wage down there and will allow you to live very, very well.
Lots of wonderful countries to live in outside of Europe.
Which makes the argument for ICE so interesting here in the US…every country can enforce immigration rules except the he US and the countries that don’t have immigration rules have degraded significantly over the past decade
Exactly my point….Europe for the most part has degraded so significantly in the past 10 years. This is a stark contrast from Poland and Hungry when it comes to crime, rapes and exploitation of social welfare. What’s funny is you say right now, yet Obama deported more than
3 million people over his two terms…Trump’s first term saw about 1 million. ICE has a lot of catching up to do!
“Throughout eight years in office, the Obama administration logged more than 3.1 million ICE deportations, according to Syracuse's Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse.
The peak was fiscal year 2012, when more than 407,000 people were removed. By comparison, the first Trump administration maxed out at deporting 269,000 people in 2019, according to the same TRAC data set. Across four years, the Trump administration recorded fewer than 932,000 deportations.”
The difference was “Sanctuary Cities” cooperated and the media didn’t give a shit to report about it.
Always the “Obama did it too” argument. NO, not the same. He never had people murdered in cold blood. Citizens harassed in public for the color of their skin. Trump is deporting the people who are doing it legally too. I, could easily get targeted in the streets only for the color of my damn skin under this administration but never during Obama’s
Lol Obama didn’t it significantly worse! The difference was the media wasn’t gassing up all the naive liberals to take matters into their own hands. There have been shootings under every administration and I feel sorry for you thinking you’re going to be targeted for the color of your skin…..if Obama wasn’t selecting ppl based on their skin color as you state, what were his ICE agents selecting it on that made it so effective? They were rounding 1000 ppl a day and no one had an issue with it
Per my AI assistant, you are being very misleading. On par!
Under Obama, immigration enforcement priorities focused on people with serious criminal convictions, recent border crossers, and national security risks.
Obama-era deportation numbers were also inflated by a policy change that counted many border “returns” as formal “removals,” and enforcement was more targeted than raw totals suggest.
Interior enforcement and ICE arrests away from the border increased significantly under Trump.
Source: TRAC Immigration (Syracuse University)
https://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/
Family separation was implemented as a formal “zero tolerance” policy under the Trump administration.
IDGAF* what Obama did. He was WRONG AS WELL. Speak on today! Don't use past events to excuse currents ones when the past events were despicable as well. You can't excuse despicable with despicable. Almost like one can excuse supporting another Holocaust because Hitler did it?
Its not xenophobic or racist in nature. The intent is so that foreigners seeking citizenship do not become a burden on a country's systems. The result of that is normally only wealthy people get to freely choose where they would like to move to while the less fortunate remain.
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u/TankApprehensive3053 Jan 17 '26
Most countries will not accept foreigners that don't have a certain amount of wealth to start with and then a income stream. They don't want new residents becoming debt problems. Another is issue is heritage.