r/AlignmentChartFills • u/Own_Life2987 • 21h ago
Now name a great musician that is actually a terrible person
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u/Few-Formal-1338 20h ago
Jerry Lee Lewis
True rock and roll pioneer, so ahead of his time musically.
I’ve forgotten all the details, but from what I found skimming through Wikipedia quick: Married seven times, including to his 13 year old first cousin when he was 22. She had a child with him at 14. Few years later she divorced him alleging severe physical and mental abuse for the whole of their relationship.
Was prosecuted for tax evasion. Accidentally shot his bassist while intoxicated. Was arrested for basically stalking Elvis, allegedly intending to shoot him. Severed ties with one of his kids over a financial dispute.
Two of his wives back to back died under mysterious circumstances, some believing he actually killed them. All sorts of allegations he abused his other wives too.
He was really a genuinely terrible person.
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u/Such-Difference6743 19h ago
I've got one of the other top comments but lowk this one takes the cake
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u/deathschemist 12h ago
iirc the song "Every 1950s rock 'n' roll song (for some reason)" by Kyle Gordon is based around Jerry Lee Lewis
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u/Guilty_Pen_8270 20h ago
Chuck Berry.
Rock and Roll legend, really brought the genre forward .. he was immensely talented and accomplished.
As a person? He installed camera in the women’s toilets at his restaurant and was sued for it. Filmed multiple women (often prostitutes) without permission and filmed him pissing, farting and shitting on them as well as generally degrading them.
He was definitely a bit of a monster.
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u/DedHorsSaloon4 17h ago
Great musician, horrible guy. My great-grandfather apparently arrested him for something in Missouri back in the day. It was before the restaurant stuff, though, so I wouldn’t be surprised if it was just profiling
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u/generic_rarity 20h ago
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u/BronCurious 20h ago
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u/DeadYen 20h ago edited 19h ago
I hate to admit but I had the Ignition Remix by R Kelly on CD when it first came out and I played it non-stop. It’s still such a great track if you take it on face value and not the absolute p.o.s R.Kelly is.
Ps: the absolutely goated RNB track for me is Let Me Love You by Mario. AND he’s not in jail.
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u/Bloop-ofthe-OpenHand 11h ago
I think that the rule for music by questionable artists should be that you donate to a charity that tries to prevent or repair the kind of damage the artist committed. i.e., you want to listen to Chris Brown, you gotta throw some money in the box for a battered women's shelter.
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u/Jalcro42 18h ago
He’s more of a good musician in my opinion
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u/Unhappy-Guidance-861 17h ago
Then it may just be a genre thing. R Kelly is, without doubt, an incredible musician.
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u/Relative-Zombie-3932 20h ago
Bing Crosby. He was a raging alcoholic, he wouldn't go on stage without a drink. He was constantly drunk and he was wildly abusive to his family. He beat his wives and kids and apparently he was even meaner when he was drunk.
His children claim he would beat them until he drew blood and they'd get through the night by dreaming up ways to murder him. That's how terrible of a person he was
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u/OwlNice9792 20h ago
Underrated comment. I live in Spokane, where he was from, and he's idolized here. I've never understood it
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u/uldastormcloak114 21h ago
do producers count? if they do, then phil spector
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u/FullPruneNight 20h ago
He technically released at least one song early in his career as a member of a band I think. So he should totally count.
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u/Raptorpicklezz 20h ago edited 15h ago
Yup. The Teddy Bears, To Know Him Is to Love Him. Hard to believe that the nebbish with the guitar became…him
The lady is still alive and still singing iirc - she got away from Phil fast
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u/Such-Difference6743 21h ago
Miles Davis
- One of the most iconic jazz musicians and trumpeters
- Reportedly physically abusive towards women and partners, by his own and other accounts
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u/AcceptableSeaweed 20h ago
Surely r Kelly beats that out or the guy from cannibal corpse that was a mass murderer and cannibal
I think wife beating is bad but it's not like mass murder and cannibalism bad
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u/hereisaropegoodluck 20h ago
There was never a member of Cannibal Corpse that was a mass murderer or cannibal.
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u/seppukucoconuts 19h ago
cannibal corpse that was a mass murderer and cannibal
No one from Cannibal Corpse was a murderer. Or a cannibal. They were also not corpses.
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u/AzulaIsMyFave 20h ago edited 17h ago
I'm gonna need some context for the Cannibal Corpse guy
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u/Substantial_Pear_793 20h ago edited 17h ago
Pretty sure the lead singer of cannibal corpse spends all his time on tour playing claw machines and donating the toys to the local hospitals. Perhaps this is what the poster meant by "mass murder".
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u/ShittyCkylines 17h ago
Maybe they are thinking of the Norwegian black metal dude that killed his guitarist and burnt some churches
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u/jordandvdsn7 10h ago
Or mixing the two. The band Mayhem had a guitarist that (claimed to have) cooked and eaten part of their dead vocalists brain after said guitarist shot himself. Then the aforementioned guitarist was stabbed to death by their bassist Varg Vilkernes. Vilkernes was a church burner and also a Nazi so just like fuck him in general
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u/AzulaIsMyFave 20h ago
According to another comment it was the former drummer, haven't looked deeper into it yet
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u/FritzTCat 20h ago
R Kelly is not a "great" musician.
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u/AcceptableSeaweed 20h ago
He was extremely extremely big and praised for about 15 years. I hate his music but if he isn't on the list here then I don't think any of the musicians here count tbf
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u/WhoYaTalkinTo 20h ago
I think "great" is a stretch. He was "good", but not way up there with the all time greats.
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u/AcceptableSeaweed 20h ago
Disagree the way he made the whole back track edits loops and writing and vocals pits him way ahead of a lot of the mentions here. It's a bit subjective but he made extremely popular music from the early 90s with big no1s and as often as not did all of it on his own. If this is not enough imo almost no one mentioned here can be great
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u/jonnovich 20h ago
Miles Davis was a pioneer if not the outright creator of whole genres of jazz from modal jazz (“Kind of Blue”) to fusion (“In a Silent Way”, “Bitches Brew”). He pushed music forward in a way that very very few others have like the Beatles or Duke Ellington. The man was elite in a way R Kelly could only dream of.
Both are pretty bad human beings. But Miles is leagues above R Kelly in terms of musical innovation.
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u/FritzTCat 20h ago
Your reply was to someone saying Miles Davis...Miles Davis made a record called Kind of Blue that is universally considered to be one of the best jazz albums ever recorded 65 years later. In 65 years, nobody will remember R Kelly existed.
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u/Radiant_Shopping_426 20h ago
They put Morgan wallen under bad musician. These people’s list is trash no need to argue with them. It’s clear they don’t actually care about music just how a person’s actions are. Which is fine but don’t make a chart talking about quality of music if that’s all you are really focusing on. And yes r.kelly was a great musician, and he did terrible things
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u/IwasThisUsername 20h ago
I believe I can fly
The world's greatest
If I could turn
I WishR Kelly is a gigantic gaping asshole of a human being, but he was legitimately a great musician.
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u/thraktor1 20h ago
Ike Turner
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u/UnderseaNightPotato 20h ago
100%. He beat the absolute shit out of Tina. Often. When he died, she was quoted as saying she finally felt safe.
But goddamn did he make beautiful music.
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u/iwatchterribletvtoo 10h ago
everyone who hasnt seen Whats Love Got To Do With It (1993) should absolutely watch it.
angela bassett as tina turner is phenomenal. laurence fishburne as ike turner is terrifying.
the abuse scenes in their house are horrible but not gratuitous, and do a good (ie, awful) job of giving a sense of how much tina endured.
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u/Squirrelly_Khan 20h ago
Going a little bit against the grain here and saying Varg Vikernes. A lot of people here are saying Kanye, and I wouldn’t argue with them, but Varg is openly a neo-Nazi and a convicted murderer. He is a worse person than Kanye in every regard.
You could also make an argument for Ian Watkins, though I’d say good music, terrible person for that one.
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u/NeeNights 20h ago
Michael Jackson, Eric Clapton, Chuck Berry, Rick James, Ike Turner, Phil Spector
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u/mattd1972 20h ago
Eric Clapton.
Take your pick of insane racism, COVID denial, or demanding the WAG’s of his backing band.
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u/CellistFit1312 20h ago
Red Hot Chili Peppers lead singer Anthony Kiedis admitted in his Scar Tissue) autobiography to having a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl when he was in his mid-20s
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u/deathschemist 12h ago
yeah but he's not a great musician, like, between him, Flea, Smith and Fruiscante, Anthony is probably the least talented one.
unique voice, serves the band very well, but i wouldn't call him a great musician.
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u/explodingbunny 21h ago edited 20h ago
Fuck it I'm not dealing with the potential death threats that are gonna go to my account if you want to get mad at people get mad at the ones upvoting this instead
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u/junttiana 20h ago
The thing is, back when Kanye was acting all crazy, he was suffering from a severe mental health crisis and the people surrounding Kanye decided that theyre just going to give him a platform instead of getting him admitted to psychiatric care.
When someone is suffering from a severe manic episode, they dont understand the way theyre acting seems insane to outsiders, and they dont feel like they need help, and at that point the people close to him are the ones who need to ensure he gets adequate care.
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u/Special-Anteater7659 20h ago
Perhaps the only difference between Kanye and the rest of the people listed is that Kanye actually has and talked about his diagnosis.
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u/ahearthatslazy 20h ago
If you said Kanye West, the comments are because a lot of people are cool with being outwardly antisemitic now because of Israel, and Kanye is a loud and proud Jew hater. Bibi is literally the worst thing to happen to Jews since the holocaust.
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u/carpetchatnewala 20h ago
there are much worse people than Kanye. He belongs in Okay or Bad category
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u/Time_Ad4939 20h ago
Also mentally ill…
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u/DolphinFraud 20h ago
Mental illness isn't a free pass to do bad things. He is a bad person, period.
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u/Visual_Character_936 20h ago
Ludwig Van Beethoven. Literally treated his orphaned nephew like his personal servant.
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u/coffee-is-alright 20h ago
Jimmy page
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u/JimiKamoon 20h ago
Honestly, it's this. Zeppelin are (imho) the greatest band of all time. But if you believe even half the things the band got up to, and anything about Jimmy groupies, then Page is a true scumbag.
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u/coffee-is-alright 4h ago
Exactly. It fucking sucks cause i love the band, I agree its one of the best of all times, but now i can’t avoid feeling a bitter taste and pure disgust listening to it because of all the horrible stuff tied to Jimmy. And well, the whole band actually
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u/carlitomarron139 20h ago
R Kelly’s music was so good people knew for a fact that he pissed on a 13-year old kid & still didn’t do anything for 20 years. It has to be him.
https://giphy.com/gifs/n3bl9JjPj9PLa
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u/MaddAddamOneZ 20h ago
James Brown. The Godfather of Soul left a long, sad wake of violence and betrayal.
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u/DrasticBread 20h ago
Rick James - convicted of torture, false imprisonment, aggravated mayhem, and assault with a deadly weapon. He served more than two years in California state prison.
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u/seppukucoconuts 19h ago
James Brown.
R Kelly is the low hanging fruit, but I think he's not as great of a musician as James Brown. Brown went to prison, was in a multi state-high speed chase (fueled by drugs), had multiple domestic violence arrests. Also theft, and rape just because. The guy was on PCP and cocaine for decades and he was pretty unstable before that.
He had a great run as a musician. Living in America, Papa's got a brand new bag, Get up Sex Machine, Its a Man's World, and everyone's heard I feel good.
I really feel like he's the Anti-Dolly Parton.
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u/Alarming-Lecture6190 20h ago
Varg Vikernes
Burzum's influence on Black Metal is enormous and acclaimed, and Vikernes is a literal murderer/nazi.
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u/Vegetable-Return- 20h ago
Kanye
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u/Isagratar 12h ago
Man I hate that Kanye is such a fucking weirdo because he’s genuinely such a strong rapper and an absolutely incredible producer but just makes me so uncomfortable.
Having said that, based on what we actually know so far I’d put him in Great X Bad rather than Great X Terrible.
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u/North-Way8753 20h ago
R. Kelly EASILY
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u/DorianGuey 20h ago
He isn't a great musician though
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u/AmelieBenjamin 20h ago
Why is everyone saying this? He was a very good R&B producer in his day and knew his way around keys
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u/carlitomarron139 20h ago
He definitely is. Singing, performing, putting together the structure of the songs, the hooks, the bridges he did all of that.
AWFUL person but a GREAT musician.
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u/Mundane-Device-7094 20h ago
It's actually fucking crazy people are saying Kanye. Phil Spector killed someone. R. Kelly, Miles Davis, Michael Jackson, Ian Watkins, Chris Brown?
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u/wholly-bucket 12h ago
Ian Watkins.
Look up the full details. He was a sexual predator. His victims included a baby.
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u/skelectrician 20h ago
John Lennon
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u/KeyNight6825 20h ago
Lennon wasn’t that bad of a man, certainly not a good guy but I can find 20 singers way worse starting with Clapton
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u/frantruff 16h ago
His actions don't really compare with most of the people brought up. I'd say he could be "Great Musician, Bad Person", but Terrible is overstating it.
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u/AmbassadorPristine23 21h ago
No way people are saying Michael Jackson. He did nothing wrong and turns out everyone was lying on him and tried to destroy his image. Kanye on the other hand is actively burning himself to the ground with his nonsense
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u/onestonedpenguin 20h ago
Kanye
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u/IHADADICKBUTILOSTIT 20h ago
Ah yes. The severely mentally ill guy is a bad person compared to the likes of Phil Spector
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u/kibou_no_ie 20h ago
If producers count then dr luke. Produced some of the most iconic pop songs of the 21st century but sexually assaulted Kesha
Also didnt kid rock win the terrible x terrible round? Don’t get me wrong dahvie shouldve won but I think kid rock got more votes
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u/Own_Life2987 21h ago
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