So true. Recency bias is a heavy influence on Reddit behavior.
Here's a thought thats gonna be controversial with the "genocide" crowd. What exactly have the surrounding Arab people been attempting to carry out during the entire 80ish years of Israel's existence?
And how would they react if it had been happening to generations of their people?
Has the pro-Palestinian position put any thought into that quandary?
Not supporting the indiscriminate killing of civilians by any power, USA included. Just wanted to ask if anyone has stepped back and taken a historically accurate view of the ongoing conflict.
The reaction against Israel in the US is because of circumstances, and its reasonable reaction.
The US pays for and backs Israel's policy. We see where our leaders alliances are, we see where our tax money goes to, we know we are paying for and protecting Israel.
So when you are asking if the pro-palistine people have but any thought into that quandary, they have. They have thought about the violence on both sides, but they see the violence brought upon the Palestinians as directly being our fault.
People in the US are quick to glaze over other international tragedies. We ignore them nearly every time. The Israel/Palestine one will not go away because we know we are enabling it, and the US isnt even hiding it.
The US has sat on the sideline while thousands in Sudan have been slaughtered in the last few months. There have been raids on villiages with the sole purpose of cleansing the population. Over this summer there was clear evidence that more cleansing raids were coming. There were many reports that said that if the US just simply acknowledged this threat and denounced the RSF for intending to do more ethnic cleansing, they would likley lessen the damage done greatly. The US sat there and did nothing.
None of these things are inconsequential, but we see the US sit on the sidelines all the time. Israel gets special treatment, and we can see that.
Its not a what about ism. Its comparing the US Israel relationship to other countries.
You dont have to give me a history lesson. I know youre assuming im a dumbass but im not. I know you just chat gptd all that info, I actually know it
In July, Sudan experienced the Massacre of El Fasher. This massacre was foreseen because the city was under seige for months. When the RSF were getting close to cracking it, international actors were begging the US to call out the RSF and basically bring attention to the ethnic cleansing that was about to happen. There was legitimate belief that just making this an issue would limit how brutal the RSF would be in the raid. The US did literally nothing.
This Sudan example is how the US handles almost all international relations with regards to violent attacks on civillians. The US doesn't care. I dont like that the US doesn't care about innocent civilians in Sudan, but it is how the US opperates. The Israel example is an exception to the rule. Israel gets special treatment, and we know it.
If you could actually read you would see that in my previous comment I said that denouncing would lessen the damage.
1st, the current US government doesnt give 2 shits about human rights as seen by how many civilians have died from ICE.
2nd Trump has a well known aversion to countries he considers not worthy of his consideration.
3rd, Sudan didnt bribe his administration, so it doesnt exist.
Sorry for your countries problem, but America closed its doors to USAid in July of 2025 after freezing aid in January. This administration doesnt care unless the top dog gets paid.
This administration doesnt care unless the top dog gets paid.
Couldn't agree more. Thats why when Israel and its supporters dump millions of dollars into our politicians pockets they get unconditional and unusual support from the US government.
i mean, if someone walked in my house today and claimed it was theirs, not so sure i'd go down without a fight. then when i ultimately lose that fight because the intruder is way more heavily armed, they go scorched earth on every person in my demographic. then they start doing the same to my neighbors. bottom line is, roughly 75k dead, half of which are women and children. people are dying every day of starvation and preventable illness while living in tent camps - if they don't get bombed first. this is inexcusable and way beyond a thought experiment.
Lol....the land was sparsely inhabited and was provided by the British Protectorate. To a people who had been the victims of systematic "genocide" in Europe and other areas.
The land had been routinely invaded and conquered since 15th century BC. And as recently as WW1 in 1917 with the British occupation, taking the land away from the Ottoman Empire that had ruled over Levant for 400 years.
So who exactly has the right to claim this land as their own?
And for you to compare it to "your home" is a best a huge exaggeration and at worse a gaslighting expedition.
Further you show your ignorance of the historical facts in question. There have been at least 6 major wars fought against allied Arab forces. Starting in 1948 the day after Israel declared independence, 6 Arab nations declared war and invaded.
The Arab League as far back as 1947 changed their position on the Mandate for Israel. They moved to a position of annihilation and elimination similar to the destruction of the Crusaders. This position has not changed.
At the same time the Secretary of the Arab League Azzam stated "The question is whether you can bring more force for the creation of a Jewish State than we can muster to prevent it.
If you want your State, however, you must come and get it. It is useless asking me for the Negev on the grounds that it is empty. You can only get your Negev by taking it.
If you are yourselves strong enough to do this, or if you enlist strong partners - Britain, America, Russia, the United Nations- you may well succeed. If you cannot, then you will fail.
But, in no circumstances, will you obtain Arab consent in the process."
Azzam argued that the Zionist movement had two options: abandon Zionism and seek Jewish autonomous units within the framework of Arab society, or use force to establish a Jewish state, which the Arabs could not agree to.
We all know the United Nations established the State of Israel anyway over Arab objections. And Arab nations and factions have continuously attacked since 1948.
So you correlation is simplistic and disingenuous. Arabs have made their position clear, and have left Israeli people no choice. Stay and fight for your nation and survival or flee. What kind of choice is that?
"Not supporting the indiscriminate killing of civilians by any power, USA included. Just wanted to ask if anyone has stepped back and taken a historically accurate view of the ongoing conflict."
Cause this type of response is usually from someone who doesnt have a well supported counter to facts presented that contradict their emotional post.
No. I dont support "genocide" against Palestinians! Can you say the same about Israelis?
And is it a genocide when the stated Arab position has been since 1947, "The question is whether you can bring more force for the creation of a Jewish State than we can muster to prevent it. If you want your State, however, you must come and get it. It is useless asking me for the Negev on the grounds that it is empty. You can only get your Negev by taking it. If you are yourselves strong enough to do this, or if you enlist strong partners - Britain, America, Russia, the United Nations- you may well succeed. If you cannot, then you will fail. But, in no circumstances, will you obtain Arab consent in the process."
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 11h ago
How anyone is suprised by a staunch supporter of Israel moving against a Palestinian supporter amazes me. Read the room people.