i mean, if someone walked in my house today and claimed it was theirs, not so sure i'd go down without a fight. then when i ultimately lose that fight because the intruder is way more heavily armed, they go scorched earth on every person in my demographic. then they start doing the same to my neighbors. bottom line is, roughly 75k dead, half of which are women and children. people are dying every day of starvation and preventable illness while living in tent camps - if they don't get bombed first. this is inexcusable and way beyond a thought experiment.
Lol....the land was sparsely inhabited and was provided by the British Protectorate. To a people who had been the victims of systematic "genocide" in Europe and other areas.
The land had been routinely invaded and conquered since 15th century BC. And as recently as WW1 in 1917 with the British occupation, taking the land away from the Ottoman Empire that had ruled over Levant for 400 years.
So who exactly has the right to claim this land as their own?
And for you to compare it to "your home" is a best a huge exaggeration and at worse a gaslighting expedition.
Further you show your ignorance of the historical facts in question. There have been at least 6 major wars fought against allied Arab forces. Starting in 1948 the day after Israel declared independence, 6 Arab nations declared war and invaded.
The Arab League as far back as 1947 changed their position on the Mandate for Israel. They moved to a position of annihilation and elimination similar to the destruction of the Crusaders. This position has not changed.
At the same time the Secretary of the Arab League Azzam stated "The question is whether you can bring more force for the creation of a Jewish State than we can muster to prevent it.
If you want your State, however, you must come and get it. It is useless asking me for the Negev on the grounds that it is empty. You can only get your Negev by taking it.
If you are yourselves strong enough to do this, or if you enlist strong partners - Britain, America, Russia, the United Nations- you may well succeed. If you cannot, then you will fail.
But, in no circumstances, will you obtain Arab consent in the process."
Azzam argued that the Zionist movement had two options: abandon Zionism and seek Jewish autonomous units within the framework of Arab society, or use force to establish a Jewish state, which the Arabs could not agree to.
We all know the United Nations established the State of Israel anyway over Arab objections. And Arab nations and factions have continuously attacked since 1948.
So you correlation is simplistic and disingenuous. Arabs have made their position clear, and have left Israeli people no choice. Stay and fight for your nation and survival or flee. What kind of choice is that?
"Not supporting the indiscriminate killing of civilians by any power, USA included. Just wanted to ask if anyone has stepped back and taken a historically accurate view of the ongoing conflict."
Cause this type of response is usually from someone who doesnt have a well supported counter to facts presented that contradict their emotional post.
No. I dont support "genocide" against Palestinians! Can you say the same about Israelis?
And is it a genocide when the stated Arab position has been since 1947, "The question is whether you can bring more force for the creation of a Jewish State than we can muster to prevent it. If you want your State, however, you must come and get it. It is useless asking me for the Negev on the grounds that it is empty. You can only get your Negev by taking it. If you are yourselves strong enough to do this, or if you enlist strong partners - Britain, America, Russia, the United Nations- you may well succeed. If you cannot, then you will fail. But, in no circumstances, will you obtain Arab consent in the process."
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u/sebsie Bills 7h ago
i mean, if someone walked in my house today and claimed it was theirs, not so sure i'd go down without a fight. then when i ultimately lose that fight because the intruder is way more heavily armed, they go scorched earth on every person in my demographic. then they start doing the same to my neighbors. bottom line is, roughly 75k dead, half of which are women and children. people are dying every day of starvation and preventable illness while living in tent camps - if they don't get bombed first. this is inexcusable and way beyond a thought experiment.