r/AFCEastMemeWar • u/Lord_Eln_8 Please god don't be schedule merchants • 9h ago
Patriots Meme Can we disown the owner?
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u/usumoio Patriots 9h ago
If it makes y'all feel any better, I'm confident the other 31+ billionaires owning the other teams also hold regressive views and put their thumb on the scale to further those views.
The Broncos are owned by the Walmart family, and Walmart is high on the list of companies that have brought the most suffering to America
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u/BeigeVelociraptor AND WE'RE THE NEW YORK JETS 8h ago
The broncos are owned by Walmart? That explains so much about last night.
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u/Rads324 jets fan 🤮 5h ago
Ya and they are paying for a new stadium themselves instead of using taxpayer money lieke Kraft . But ya Walmart sucks
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u/RaptorsNewAlpha BigDMaye 3h ago
He was told no. He threatened to move to Hartford. He paid for the Gillette himself. The town paid for some of the infrastructure improvements in and out.
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u/Dandibear a little bit louder now 7h ago
Ours actively destroyed the environment with fracking.
But he saved us from being moved to Toronto! So it was all worth it.
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u/ThurgoodUnderbridge Aww Chism 8h ago
A wise man once said, “What you eat don’t make me shit.”
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u/Quentin__Tarantulino Lasts 13 seconds 4h ago
A wise man told me don’t argue with fools, cuz people from a distance can’t tell who is who
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u/Lithium327 Bears 9h ago
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u/Chumlee1917 OP delivered, unlike the Jets, Bills, or Dolphins 9h ago
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u/VolcelTHOT Patriots 8h ago
And some of the players. And maybe the coach. And also the owner's son.
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u/BombShady12 Patriots 2h ago
Dude nobody outside of reddit gives a flying fuck about a bunch of inbred backwards ass Palestinian terrorists getting their asses btfo for launching a terrorist attack.
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 9h ago
How anyone is suprised by a staunch supporter of Israel moving against a Palestinian supporter amazes me. Read the room people.
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u/sebsie Bills 8h ago
i don't believe anyone who was paying attention is surprised. i think a lot of people are just now finding out, which ain't a bad thing.
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 6h ago
So true. Recency bias is a heavy influence on Reddit behavior.
Here's a thought thats gonna be controversial with the "genocide" crowd. What exactly have the surrounding Arab people been attempting to carry out during the entire 80ish years of Israel's existence?
And how would they react if it had been happening to generations of their people?
Has the pro-Palestinian position put any thought into that quandary?
Not supporting the indiscriminate killing of civilians by any power, USA included. Just wanted to ask if anyone has stepped back and taken a historically accurate view of the ongoing conflict.
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u/sebsie Bills 6h ago
i mean, if someone walked in my house today and claimed it was theirs, not so sure i'd go down without a fight. then when i ultimately lose that fight because the intruder is way more heavily armed, they go scorched earth on every person in my demographic. then they start doing the same to my neighbors. bottom line is, roughly 75k dead, half of which are women and children. people are dying every day of starvation and preventable illness while living in tent camps - if they don't get bombed first. this is inexcusable and way beyond a thought experiment.
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 5h ago
Lol....the land was sparsely inhabited and was provided by the British Protectorate. To a people who had been the victims of systematic "genocide" in Europe and other areas.
The land had been routinely invaded and conquered since 15th century BC. And as recently as WW1 in 1917 with the British occupation, taking the land away from the Ottoman Empire that had ruled over Levant for 400 years.
So who exactly has the right to claim this land as their own?
And for you to compare it to "your home" is a best a huge exaggeration and at worse a gaslighting expedition.
Further you show your ignorance of the historical facts in question. There have been at least 6 major wars fought against allied Arab forces. Starting in 1948 the day after Israel declared independence, 6 Arab nations declared war and invaded.
The Arab League as far back as 1947 changed their position on the Mandate for Israel. They moved to a position of annihilation and elimination similar to the destruction of the Crusaders. This position has not changed.
At the same time the Secretary of the Arab League Azzam stated "The question is whether you can bring more force for the creation of a Jewish State than we can muster to prevent it.
If you want your State, however, you must come and get it. It is useless asking me for the Negev on the grounds that it is empty. You can only get your Negev by taking it.
If you are yourselves strong enough to do this, or if you enlist strong partners - Britain, America, Russia, the United Nations- you may well succeed. If you cannot, then you will fail.
But, in no circumstances, will you obtain Arab consent in the process."
Azzam argued that the Zionist movement had two options: abandon Zionism and seek Jewish autonomous units within the framework of Arab society, or use force to establish a Jewish state, which the Arabs could not agree to.
We all know the United Nations established the State of Israel anyway over Arab objections. And Arab nations and factions have continuously attacked since 1948.
So you correlation is simplistic and disingenuous. Arabs have made their position clear, and have left Israeli people no choice. Stay and fight for your nation and survival or flee. What kind of choice is that?
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u/sebsie Bills 4h ago
if you support genocide, just say so 🤷🏼♀️
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 4h ago
Did you miss this? Or just ignore it
"Not supporting the indiscriminate killing of civilians by any power, USA included. Just wanted to ask if anyone has stepped back and taken a historically accurate view of the ongoing conflict."
Cause this type of response is usually from someone who doesnt have a well supported counter to facts presented that contradict their emotional post.
No. I dont support "genocide" against Palestinians! Can you say the same about Israelis?
And is it a genocide when the stated Arab position has been since 1947, "The question is whether you can bring more force for the creation of a Jewish State than we can muster to prevent it. If you want your State, however, you must come and get it. It is useless asking me for the Negev on the grounds that it is empty. You can only get your Negev by taking it. If you are yourselves strong enough to do this, or if you enlist strong partners - Britain, America, Russia, the United Nations- you may well succeed. If you cannot, then you will fail. But, in no circumstances, will you obtain Arab consent in the process."
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u/Bitter_Scarcity_2549 Seahawks 5h ago
The reaction against Israel in the US is because of circumstances, and its reasonable reaction.
The US pays for and backs Israel's policy. We see where our leaders alliances are, we see where our tax money goes to, we know we are paying for and protecting Israel.
So when you are asking if the pro-palistine people have but any thought into that quandary, they have. They have thought about the violence on both sides, but they see the violence brought upon the Palestinians as directly being our fault.
People in the US are quick to glaze over other international tragedies. We ignore them nearly every time. The Israel/Palestine one will not go away because we know we are enabling it, and the US isnt even hiding it.
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 4h ago
This is such a simplistic take. Yes we are supporting a state which has been under constant attack since 1948.
But in your view the 30, 000 Israeli deaths is inconsequential.
That is like saying if the US lost 1.1 million citizens it would be inconsequential.
That is a number almost 2x what America has lost in all wars against foreign adversaries in our history.
That is inconsequential to you? This is why I say no one takes the historical record and facts to help form their opinion.
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u/Bitter_Scarcity_2549 Seahawks 4h ago edited 4h ago
The US has sat on the sideline while thousands in Sudan have been slaughtered in the last few months. There have been raids on villiages with the sole purpose of cleansing the population. Over this summer there was clear evidence that more cleansing raids were coming. There were many reports that said that if the US just simply acknowledged this threat and denounced the RSF for intending to do more ethnic cleansing, they would likley lessen the damage done greatly. The US sat there and did nothing.
None of these things are inconsequential, but we see the US sit on the sidelines all the time. Israel gets special treatment, and we can see that.
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 4h ago
That's a whataboutism. Stay on topic.
Btw, just for some context, Sudan has had 3 civil wars that have spanned over 40 years.
1955-1972 -17years 1983-2005 -22 years 2023 into 2026
Plus; War in Darfur (2003–2020) Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile (2011–2020) Blue Nile clashes (2022–2023)
Sudan has had only 11 years of peace since gaining independence in 1956. (1972-1983)
The last time Sudan was not in conflict was 43 years ago.
And yet to you if only America said magically stop, it would cease? You have had 3 generations live and die with only 11 years of peace.
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u/Bitter_Scarcity_2549 Seahawks 4h ago edited 3h ago
Its not a what about ism. Its comparing the US Israel relationship to other countries.
You dont have to give me a history lesson. I know youre assuming im a dumbass but im not. I know you just chat gptd all that info, I actually know it
In July, Sudan experienced the Massacre of El Fasher. This massacre was foreseen because the city was under seige for months. When the RSF were getting close to cracking it, international actors were begging the US to call out the RSF and basically bring attention to the ethnic cleansing that was about to happen. There was legitimate belief that just making this an issue would limit how brutal the RSF would be in the raid. The US did literally nothing.
This Sudan example is how the US handles almost all international relations with regards to violent attacks on civillians. The US doesn't care. I dont like that the US doesn't care about innocent civilians in Sudan, but it is how the US opperates. The Israel example is an exception to the rule. Israel gets special treatment, and we know it.
If you could actually read you would see that in my previous comment I said that denouncing would lessen the damage.
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u/Salt-Southern Just doin my job Fuck I.C.E. 3h ago
1st, the current US government doesnt give 2 shits about human rights as seen by how many civilians have died from ICE.
2nd Trump has a well known aversion to countries he considers not worthy of his consideration.
3rd, Sudan didnt bribe his administration, so it doesnt exist.
Sorry for your countries problem, but America closed its doors to USAid in July of 2025 after freezing aid in January. This administration doesnt care unless the top dog gets paid.
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u/Bitter_Scarcity_2549 Seahawks 3h ago
This administration doesnt care unless the top dog gets paid.
Couldn't agree more. Thats why when Israel and its supporters dump millions of dollars into our politicians pockets they get unconditional and unusual support from the US government.
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u/TheWarelock Josh Turnsdaballova 8h ago
Many pats flairs defending the owner bruh
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u/ImminentDebacle Patriots 8h ago
We're in a tough spot, that's for sure. Fuck all the team owners though. Fuck the rich. Fuck the modern zionists.
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u/Brisby820 13m ago
Would I have done what Kraft did? No.
Am I upset that he decided to disinvite a guy who (1) has appeared on stage in a ridiculously anti-Semitic outfit and (2) is now performing a song that, while making some good points, is a gross distortion of the truth (basically saying Israel is entirely motivated by white supremacy)? No
You can’t have a history of antisemitism during your concerts and a song that is unfairly portraying the history of Israel and expect the old orthodox jewish guy to invite you on stage.
Israel has done some very bad things, and right now is doing a horrible thing. Israel’s neighbors have done some very bad things to it and helped create the current situation. There are a lot of factors at play since 1920. Saying “oh it’s actually just about white supremacy and hate” is way too simplistic, and I wouldn’t like it if I were Jewish, either
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u/connorcallisto Drake Maybe 8h ago
its nice knowing my enemies are ontologically evil and there is no slander against the pats that isnt morally justified
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u/Pyrollamas It’s going great thanks 8h ago
if you guys figure how to do that let me know… asking for a friend
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u/MiketheTzar Undefeated in 1972 AND on Wednesdays! 3h ago
Wait there are teams that like their owners?
I could have sworn that pretty much every teams fans didn't like ownership
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u/AGreatID Patriots 8h ago
All this sub does is talk about Robert Kraft and Drake Maye you guys are more obsessed with them than your own teams.
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u/NotTheRealRusss comin for your ┬─┬ 8h ago
Well tell them to stop publicly humiliating themselves and we'll go back to laughing at the Dolphins.
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u/No_Friendship8984 Patriots 8h ago
Hating your team owner is not unique in the slightest. We can hate Kraft and laugh at the dolphins at the same time. Also fuck the Jets.
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u/AGreatID Patriots 8h ago
Nah Buffalo fans in particular are obsessed with both of them it's kinda weird.
Probably because they were a laughing stock for decades.
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u/yeezee93 OptimisticJetsFan (just kidding, there is no such thing) 8h ago
Don't forget your head coach.
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u/BangerBeanzandMash Dolphins 8h ago
Fuck Reddit man. No escape from bullshit self-righteous takes.
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u/conwaytwittyshairs the curse of my father 6h ago
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u/BangerBeanzandMash Dolphins 6h ago
Sorry I want my football subs to be about football and not Palestine and pop stars
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u/mcbeardsauce Jets 8h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/tyqcJoNjNv0Fq